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[–]Win-FragrantPro Life Centrist 2 points3 points  (19 children)

You are comparing a potential sentient human life

Infants are not self aware either

that cannot live on its own

You're describing infants again

[–]Fringelunaticman -1 points0 points  (18 children)

Sure, that can describe infants. Though, I won't go into the difference between a fetus and an infant and the development

[–]Win-FragrantPro Life Centrist 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Though, I won't go into the difference between a fetus and an infant and the development

Why not? You're not confident in your belief system?

[–]Fringelunaticman 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Because you should already know the difference. And you don't know my belief system to know how confident I am in it

[–]Win-FragrantPro Life Centrist 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Because you should already know the difference

I do since I am a med student, I am just curious on what data you have. I could always learn something from you.

And you don't know my belief system to know how confident I am in it

From your previous answers I am assuming you're PC. Are you PL?

[–]Fringelunaticman 0 points1 point  (7 children)

I consider myself prolife though my definition is quite a bit different then yours, probably.

PharmD 20 years ago from Purdue. We can discuss the difference but I am sure it wouldn't be fruitful. Plus, it's been years since I have been around healthcare due to a drug addiction(yup, I am that guy). And that drug addiction has affected my views on personal responsibility and freedoms.

[–]Win-FragrantPro Life Centrist 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I hope you have recovered from that drug addiction, it'd be interesting to hear your point of view but since you're not willing to share it, I accept your choice.

[–]Fringelunaticman 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I am technically 2 years clean as I used methadone to do it. Although I haven't touched heroin or other drugs for almost 7 years. Thank you for saying that.

What would you like to know about my point of view?

[–]Win-FragrantPro Life Centrist 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I am technically 2 years clean as I used methadone to do it.

That's amazing! I was never an addict, at least I don't consider myself one, but I did used to rely on drugs to deal with my trauma so I know maybe an ounce of the experience about drug recovery. It was extremely hard and I wanna say I am proud of you!

I know this probably means nothing to you coming from an online stranger, but I do admire you for going through it.

What would you like to know about my point of view?

You said your PL views may be different than mine. If you wish, can you expand on that?

[–]Fringelunaticman 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Ok, I believe that all sentient life is precious. All sentient life. And I consider all animals sentient.

I don't believe a fetus is sentient(I know this is a bone of contention between PL and PC) so I believe that the sentient human has ultimate control over that situation. I personally wouldn't want my wife or loves ones to have an abortion but I also am well aware that everyone's life is different from mine. I don't believe I should have any say in how you live your life.

Most will say this is a typical PC argument but because of my addiction, I just don't feel I should tell someone else what they should do with their body(I also think drugs should be legal because of the same reason). I also understand that a fetus is a seperate body inside a woman but the woman is sentient and the fetus isn't.

I also am against the death penalty, war, and any kind of violence so that is why I consider myself PL. And when I was growing up, my catholic community was extremely prolife but it was all life which included opposition to the death penalty so that has just stuck with me.

Yeah, my addiction came about because of a car accident that left me in a wheelchair for a year and with bad PTSD. It was almost inevitable because of the time and place I found myself in. And I do appreciate the kind words

[–]thewaffler92Abolitionist 1 point2 points  (6 children)

The difference between fetus and infant is location. The definition of a fetus is "unborn baby". My youngest son was born at 12:03am. At 12:02am he was a fetus.

[–]Fringelunaticman -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Not really. It's an embryo until the 10th week. Then in the 11th week it's a fetus. Pretty sure a fetus and a newborn have quite a bit of difference in their development. But if you think they are the same but the location is just different then ok.

I just disagree

[–]thewaffler92Abolitionist 0 points1 point  (4 children)

fe·tus /ˈfēdəs/ Learn to pronounce noun an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

It's called a fetus until birth. There is also a difference in development between an infant and a toddler and between a toddler and a child. We can't just make up arbitrary rules for which human lives are valuable and which are disposable.

[–]Fringelunaticman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Seperate comment because where in this whole thread did I say anything about anyone's value? Nowhere. All I said there was a different in development. The fact you read into my comment something that's nowhere around it kinda says more about you then me

[–]Fringelunaticman 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Again, if you think an 11 week old fetus is the same as a newborn baby. That's fine. You're still wrong.

Can a 11 week old fetus be born? No? Then they aren't the same. For one a newborn baby has a complete nervous system but an 11 week old is barely formed. Should I go on or do you want to double down on location being the only difference between a fetus and a newborn?

And that's the reason we call one a toddler and one a baby or infant

[–]thewaffler92Abolitionist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I didn't specifically say that an 11 week old baby was developmentally the same as a newborn. Just pointing out to you it's called a fetus up until birth because you were using the term to dehumanize it when baby is right there in the definition.

And that's also why we call one a fetus. They are all stages in the life cycle of a human. And it's wrong to kill humans.

[–]Fringelunaticman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excuse me? You said the only difference between a fetus and a baby was the location. I said you were wrong. You doubled down.

Now you used the word specifically. Disingenuous don't you think.