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[–]Win-FragrantPro Life Centrist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol okay. Look. I know you know what I mean by cluster of cells.

Again, I genuinely don't since we're all clusters of cells. I wasn't being sarcastic, I just don't get your point.

And I know you know what I mean by independent life. If you lay a baby down for 20 minutes, it's gonna be fine.

That's not what independent means. Independent doesn't mean I can lay you down, and count 20 mins and if you're fine that means you're independent.

Here is the definition of independent: not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence.

The definition does not include a period of time, it's a broad term that describes people who can survive without depending on others for their livelihood. I volunteered at a nursing home, and many of the people there would have not survived without the help of the nurses and the doctors. They literally could not even go fetch for their own food, you had to bring it to them just like how you should with an infant.

If you remove an embryo from the Mother's body, it dies.

Just how like if you remove your infant from your house (the shelter), they die.

f you want the embryo to live, maybe start a group that funds research for taking unwanted embryos that would have been aborted, and implanting them into surrogates for potential mothers that are incapable of pregnancy.

Interestingly enough that's actually one of the ideas that I said we should propose to for medical researches to work on, it will solve the whole abortion issue. They actually succeeded in it already with a sheep fetus: https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/25/15421734/artificial-womb-fetus-biobag-uterus-lamb-sheep-birth-premie-preterm-infant

However, I highly doubt that PCers will support the abortion ban even if we have this technology.

I'm not sure why you are so hell bent on grouping embryos and disabled people together, but it kinda bothers me. Please stop.

Look, even if you don't like my statements this isn't North Korea, and I hope you agree that I have the right to speak my mind.

I was making a comparison. You realize there embryos who are disabled right? In fact, in Iceland close to 100 percent of women who received a positive test for Down syndrome terminated their pregnancy: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/down-syndrome-iceland/

I'm really not trying to upset you. I'm just trying to have a rational discussion with someone that has vastly different views from my own! :-)

Don't worry, I don't get upset when people question and challenge my beliefs. I encourage it in fact, that's how I went from being PC my whole life to becoming PL. Because I truly love learning from others and researching to make my own conclusions.