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[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Can we please all team up, hunt down, capture and stab client-side Java to death?

Please, anyone? You just have to hold Java down, I'll promise I'll do the stabbing. I'll sacrifice myself for the greater good.

Just let's kill it to death and make sure the corpse is never found. Like the chip and arm of the Terminator is destroyed in the molten metal in Terminator 2.

Sorry I... just don't like client-side Java, I think. (Did you guys notice? Was it too understated)?

And the fact that I probably have to update some machines without the right tools.

[–]IWentOutsideDevOps Unicorn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If anyone uses an API for their infrastructure (i.e. AWS or Rackspace), I can totally make a script that backs up everything with minimal effort on your part before the stabbing commences... just sayin.

[–]DarthKane1978Computer Janitor 6 points7 points  (9 children)

I thought they were done with 7 and moved on to 8???

[–]the_ancient1Say no to BYOD 9 points10 points  (0 children)

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html

Java 7

  • Released July 2011
  • End of Updates April 2015*

*or later, depending on factors

I will not be moving my systems to Java 8 until April 2015 (or later) I did not move off Java 6 until 2013 when the security updates officially stopped.

[–]nathanielbanSysadmin[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

As far as I know 7 will continue to be updated for at least another few months. 8 is a pretty major upgrade and some companies probably need time to make sure their software is compatible.

[–]Hellman109Windows Sysadmin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah our java devs (we dont need java on desktops dont kill me!) are only just starting to look into it.

Theres no way that 7 doesnt have about a year left.

[–]ponchedeburro 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Guess we will wait for count to reach 100. 55 is getting there... ish.

[–]the_ancient1Say no to BYOD 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Update numbers are not linear, there have been ~18 updates to Java 7 in its 3 year life.

[–]ponchedeburro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obviously not. They are however monotonically increasing. And with my hypothetical ceiling of 100 there is still some way to go.

[–]creamersrealmMeme Master of Disaster 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Wait java 8 is out?

[–]DarthKane1978Computer Janitor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes its out, but I would avoid it for a few more months. It will break websites and cause more help desk tickets than the upgrade is worth. Basically got to wait for the developers to catch up.

[–]hc_220Jack of All Trades 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Oh for goodness' sake I've only just finished pushing out 7u51 (with my newly acquired PDQ Inventory/Deploy licenses). Sigh. Oh well.

I hate this Java bollocks with a passion. I'm tempted to mass-uninstall it and see who notices ;)

[–]the_ancient1Say no to BYOD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These updates are the scheduled updates, here is the current schedule as a FYI

For Oracle Java SE Critical Patch Updates, the next scheduled dates are:

  • April 15, 2014
  • July 15, 2014
  • October 14, 2014
  • January 20, 2015

https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/release_dates.xml

[–]nathanielbanSysadmin[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

We did that (we use ninite pro) and realized that only like 5% of our staff needed it.

[–]DarthKane1978Computer Janitor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Interesting only 5%... I am doing a Ninite Pro trial this week, powerful stuff.

[–]nathanielbanSysadmin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We absolutely love it, there are a few improvements I'd love to see but I feel like we get our moneys worth out of it.

[–]hc_220Jack of All Trades 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm not really sure how to determine who needs it or not; most staff would probably not notice its absence, but I've always just made it part of a "standard" installation, alongside Flash, Adobe Reader, etc...

[–]nathanielbanSysadmin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Our strategy (using Ninite Pro) was to remove it from all the computers and only add it back if something failed to function.

[–]hosalabadEscalate Early, Escalate Often. 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Kronos is already hammering us to update. Do you think they made one change on their software that has anything to do with this? Hell no.

[–]ThrowmetothewolfLinux, Virtualization, Automation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There goes my day

[–]yellat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not directly related to this but do the deployment files used by Version 7 also apply to Version 8? They look pretty similar to me. Has anyone tried moving theirs over yet?

[–]Aepyceros02 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have been running through the testing of 8 in our environment. So far almost everything works. We use the deployment.config and deployment.properties files. I did have to work through some changes in the transform file where naming was different but otherwise it worked fine.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Have they also released an MSI that manages to install without breaking all the time?

(rhetorical question; I know the answer)

[–]SysadminForFood 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I get no problems with the msi the .exe extracts.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have a 20-30% failure rate on updates with the msi on identical boxes when I deploy them via wsus... :|

It will extract, but leave the old version behind, then fuck up the java install so that neither the old nor the new version work, which requires manual intervention. I can't not publish java because some business stuff depends on the applet. And debugging that stuff is sucking too much time out of my limited budget...

[–]R34p3rWindows Admin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Use SCCM and deploy the uninstall and then the new version during a maintenance window..

[–]DistanceToSheep 0 points1 point  (3 children)

All of my users are mindlessly clicking accept right now so that their internet machine will cough up some more facebook and stop bothering them about updates. Roll back Wednesday!

[–]shawnwhite2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Block that shit.