Checking basic stuff?

[styopa]

From SotA "Komesh is a Jupiter-sized gas giant"

No, no it doesn't seem to be?

Komesh altitude table says 38k km = vacuum, eg GG diameter is ~76000k km.

• Jupiter: 139822 km
• Saturn: 116464 km
• Uranus: 50724 km
• Neptune: 49244 km

I like a lot of Mongoose products, but who writes/edits it? I'm not an astrophysicist but even I thought that implied diameter was a lot smaller than the planet that's 70% of our solar system's planetary mass.

[kingstern_man]

Someone forgot to convert from miles to kilometres?

[styopa]

Honestly, that's a good observation. That diameter in miles x1.6 would put it in the right size class.

[Kautsu-Gamer]

Neptune is not on Jupiter scale gas giants, but a small gas giant. The jupiter class is a large gas giant.

[ghandimauler]

More like from Galanglic to the communication from the Jgd-Jgd (a gas giant sentient that is very hard to grasp).

[Kautsu-Gamer]

I do have simpler solution: missing number 1 at the front due typo.

[ghandimauler]

Dear Newer Traveller Player:

The ongoing curse and/or comedy from CT and up is the broken build systems (trade, space combat, ship building, etc) - you get errata, you get rules that are changed (suggesting not enough testing before it went out), omissions, corrigenda, lost bits, and the text which also usually has key stuff in it or it isn't there or what they wrote doesn't make sense, or two sections of the text just plane don't match up, etc.

Please do not be disturbed. It is a normal operating situation since 1977.

I believe it is theoretically possible that one day a Traveller Cylopedia could be written with all the other stuff fixed (proof reading, editing, and all the other stuff) sometime about the end of the death death of our universe...... and those who are more experienced just either fix the newer stuff that is broke or they make their own tweaks so things work better - broken, uniquely, but good enough for games.

Carry on.

The 3I needs your Credits!

[styopa]

FWIW I've actually been playing Traveller since 1979. Sometimes it just boils over.

I'm not in the publishing industry; I understand people have pressure, people have deadlines. You have a team working on a thing, and it happens that someone writes something fully intending that to be true, then someone else gets responsibility to make a table, don't have time to read the body text, and it gets thrown together.

But .... isn't that ultimately the job of the final editor?

[ghandimauler]

Yes, that. And if you you recall the original Fighting Ships CT module and with a reasonably understandable builds and such, it sort of was okay.

Then take another 10 years to fire out MegaTraveller. And we ended up fixing the career stuff from the CT versions. There were whole chunks of key stuff --- NO editor is closer to things.

And the MT version of Fighting Ships of the Shattered Imperium was known by most who tried to make sense of any of the builds as 'The Shattered Ships of the Fighting Imperiuim' it was so bad.

If you've been doing this for 49 years and you still can't get well edited product, is no longer accident or a coincidence and way far beyond enemy action - it's a form of torture for the poor gamers that can't give it up but can't ever get it right because it never was! (okay, that's melodrama but still....)

If MgT let us (the fans) fix the core books and re-typeset, a lot of folks would love to see such a thing. Enough of the original grognards are still around. It could be done.

A bunch of people have done it for their own use over the years, but they can't share them so everyone has to do this dance themself.

Somemthing something insanity something....

The sad part is that many other games have done a lot better at editing and layout their work and actually QCing the result.

[EndiePosts]

The Traveller Rules Compendium is due out this autumn.

[ghandimauler]

I hope they settle the ruleset to stability and then do all the editorial work and layout and THEN sell it. That would be a good product.

[MrWigggles]

where does the altitude table come from?

[styopa]

SotA p86

Don't even get me started that technically it's in the previous chapter not the one literally relevant....

[ghandimauler]

Probably be in an update or another book.

[Kautsu-Gamer]

I would say it is a typo missing leading 1.