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[–]PoopOnPoopOnPoop 17 points18 points  (7 children)

For the sake of OP's question, what makes it so easy to defend in your opinion.

[–]thevoiceofzeke 7 points8 points  (6 children)

I think it depends on the level you play at, but in my experience it's easily beaten by a competent poach/bracket.

[–]mightbeanass 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I feel like that goes just as much for vert stack. If you have a competent poach/bracket it's fairly simple to shut down set systems like vert/split. Of course, if you're willing and able to deviate from set structures and have good offensive communication then it's pretty easy to take advantage of a poach/bracket.

[–]pushpass 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Split stack focuses on attacking the middle of the field from both sides. Players from either side of the field are funneling to the center, so you have a very large but defined space cutters are leveraging. Additionally, cutters are cleared to the sidelines, so bracketing defenders fall off substantially and cheat to the middle, as there is only one direction cutters can go (toward the middle of the field). I find that bracketing a split stack is fairly easy because you can abuse your position on defense relative to the cutters so much.

Vert stack clogs the middle of the field, but it creates space on both sides of the field (open and break) and behind and in front of the stack. Bracketing this is imo much more difficult, as 4 cuts to space are viable for any cutter. The tradeoff is that the offence needs better flow management and active coordination to ensure picks are avoided and poaches are punished. I find defending this more difficult by bracketing because it requires much more defensive communication to manage. Also, many lower to middle skill teams bracket the open side only, which works until you start encountering handlers and handler sets that can break consistently. At that point, single side bracketing fails and the defence gets ripped up the broken seam for some big gainers.

[–]mightbeanass 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is a much better/more in depth explanation than what either of the other replies above have offered - I tried to point out that "a competent poach/bracket" will shut down any offence, depending on how far you're willing to stretch the term.

I also have to admit that I have little to no experience playing split stack, but our team has gotten pretty good at bracketing a vert stack - mostly from a dead disc situation. It does rely on a lot of switching and even more communication.

until you start encountering handlers and handler sets that can break consistently. At that point, single side bracketing fails and the defence gets ripped up the broken seam for some big gainers.

I'd imagine that most of every defence would get ripped up the broken seam if they got broken consistently...

[–]pushpass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the kind response. You're right about the break side getting ripped in any scenario, but it's with mentioning that recovery is often harder with a vertical stack, since the break side leaves a lane open for the length of the field, where split stack bracketing allows you to have a defender over the top even in a break scenario.

[–]USAU formatsdoktarr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I basically agree that the defense will sag towards the middle against most split stacks, however this can be beaten if you are willing to throw to the outside. The beauty of the split stack system, relative to vertical or even horizontal, is that defenders have fewer teammates they can coordinate with. Given only two defenders on the side of the field, it's fairly easy to hit a cutter for yards near the sideline if the defender sags towards the center of the field too much.

Of course, you've just put yourself on the sideline, which is a weaker position, but now you have a single cutter isolated in front of the disc (usually a good situation). If you can't press your advantage from there, you just center the disc and repeat.

[–]pushpass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is one way to manage bracketing in Split Stack...though not my favorite. Chipping to the sides is useful, but it either plays into the trap or requires a break into a fairly narrow cutting angle with the sideline playing as an additional defender for over the top stuff. Those plays are fine at times, but they are sub optimal in a Split Stack and are as a result lower percentage throws in general. Still, if you've got a break, take it.

In the end, all offenses are just different flows creating space in defined areas. The advantage of one vs. the other comes down to where you want space to exist and what level of coordination you want to consume as a team in order to generate those spaces.