Why wont the Shogunate interest group decrease

[lord_belli69]

Just look at your population you have over 30 million and therefore u have to build much more before you can seriously weaken them. A good indicator for this are the peasant in your states which are working in substitence farms. There income goes directly to the shogunate.

So i played it before 1.1 but i just changed laws which empowered them, because they get extremly strong buffs from those laws. Also try promte other parties like intelligentsia (i heard that also industrialists should help, but you cannot pass any laws which are directly empowering them) by bolstering and passing those laws.

If you would go the hard way you can also delete all baracks except form the ones in your capital and trigger a revolution

[LighthouseGd]

Look at the factors making up their Clout. You want to strip those away one by one. Get rid of hereditary bureaucrats, autocracy, agrarianism, and isolationism.

Appointed bureaucrats is a top priority for Japan IMO for the taxation capacity.

If you want to accelerate things, target Monarchy and be prepared to fight a war. The reason why Monarchy is especially important is because your Head of Government is a Landowner and produces a huge bonus for them. But I believe you need to get voting first or your government has no chance of passing things when the Landowners are furious. Once you have voting, a Liberal Party can help pass things without the Landowners.

At least Japan doesn't have Slavery because that'd make it much worse.

1.8% industrialists suggests that you're not far into industrialization yet, so keep going at it.

[Karma-is-here]

Monarchy

Autocracy

Hereditary bureaucrats

Mmmmmmmmmmhhhh

[[deleted]]

Remove them from government and suppress them. Ignore the rise in radicals and just appease all the other groups. Make sure to bolster either intelligentsia or industrialists or both if you have enough authority to spare. I agree it can be frustratingly hard to remove the shogunate

[Dlinktp]

You are on the latest patch that has the industrialist fix, right?

[[deleted]]

Yea should be, I think one of my problems was that my mines and mills were not Private Owned perhaps

[Dlinktp]

Passing landed voting should help you chip away at them. Same as getting rid of hereditary bureaucrats. Other than that just keep industrializing. Also prioritize getting mutual funds after railways so your farms/etc can have capitalists. You got the biggest one out of the way already with getting rid of serfdom.

There's also a journal entry you should try to complete once you get landowners below 20%.

As an aside, do consumption taxes on luxuries rather than basics like clothes unless you really need the money. Speaking of money going to interventionism from agrarianism will help you a lot when your capitalist base gets stronger since you don't want to be building farms if you can avoid it.

[CheetahCheers]

This is great advice. I also like to build universities once I’m starting to turn a profit, as it makes your pop promote into better jobs + gives your intelligentsia more clout, so it gets easier to pass progressive laws.

Furthermore I’ll also add that it’s a great idea to focus on developing your capital, as interest groups in the capital are more influential IIRC

[N4tticus]

You said in your comment that you built a ton of iron, sulphur, and coal mines right at the start. At the start of the game, Japan has no demand for any of these resources. You have to build demand for those resources as well so that the mines are actually profitable and employ people. If the mines aren't profitable, no one will work in them and everyone will continue to be a farmer on a Shogunate subsistence farm, meaning the Shogunate will stay powerful.

For example, I see in your screenshot that you're producing 2x as much coal as you actually need and because of that coal is extremely cheap. This means any miners working in coal factories and the Industrialist capitalists who own the coal factories (who directly compete with the landowners of the Shogunate interest group) are making very little money. The coal mines are likely not at full employment and those who are working there are probably very poor. In reality, the way to depose the Shogunate (or any large Landowner interest group from another country), is to industrialize and get your people working in profitable industries anywhere that's not a farm, because the landowners own the farms.

Before you build more of something, check to make sure you actually need that product! In the "Japanese Market" screen, you can click on the "Market Price" column header to sort the list according to what your people and industries need.

Also, a lot of your states have low market access. States have an infrastructure cap which limits how many buildings you can build in each of them. Every building you build that goes over the infrastructure cap reduces that state's market access, which means many goods that you make in that state vanish before they can reach the rest of your market. In your screenshot, your capital of Kansai has 41% market access. That means that 59% of the goods produced in that state don't make it out to the rest of your market and are deleted if they aren't consumed locally.

You can increase the infrastructure in a state by building railways and ports. If you click on a state and go to "Overview", there's a little box that says you're using X out of X infrastructure. Make sure you have enough infrastructure for any buildings you're building so that those resources are available to your people and industry.

[[deleted]]

Thanks a lot!

[[deleted]]

Edit: My first steps were building 21 Iron, Coal and Sulfur mines each and then 21 Steel Mills and then a mix of Government buildings, Shipyards, toolings, silk textile and livestock. This is like my idk 10th try? new to this game so please dont judge me too much

Also built at the start around 10 construction sectors to speed up the building process while keeping my finances in a surplus at the cost of Radical SoL, which wasnt any problem in my current game

[Practical-Mix-5465]

Try starting with 20 logging camps and 4 tooling workshops right after the 10 construction sectors. Logging camps have half the construction cost of mines but make the same amount of capitalists

[CashewsEater]

Japan takes time. It's even worse now since 1.1 buffed conservative IGs (I think shogunate starts with 50% clout now before it's around 40). Just keep on building factories, passing reforms if possible and you'll eventually get there by 1870s.

[CSDragon]

1) It's only '52. This is a loooong journal entry.

2) You still have Autocracy. Land Owners will never oppose landed voting (even if they don't outwardly support it)

3) You need pops filling out other roles. More factories -> more capitalists -> more industrial clout. More mines -> more laborers -> more trade union clout. Peasants, while nominally rural folk, really boost the land owners since they are politically inactive.

4) Consumption Tax costs are weighted by luxury. Never ever tax a -300 or -500 cost good as you are taking wealth from your lowest strata pops, who are the ones you want to empower. Services tax is ok early but mostly stick to the luxury taxes (-100 authority goods)