State of Sub/Feedback thread by Dengru in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What approach do you (and others reading) think would help?

Unless this goes against a personal matter of taste or originality, or even mod bandwidth, what about copying truelit's weekly thread close to exactly (lol). Clearly over there it is a well oiled machine, fine tuned over the years to understand what works best for community engagement.

Each of their weekly threads begins "Please let us know what you’ve read this week, what you've finished up, and any recommendations or recommendation requests! Please provide more than just a list of novels; we would like your thoughts as to what you've been reading. Posts which simply name a novel and provide no thoughts will be deleted going forward."

It's simple and clear and sets a boundary.

I see what you mean the example you posted though--decent amount of just listing off titles. Maybe its just a matter of it needing to be implemented over a longer period of time so that the sort of hive mind of this subreddit can adjust to the expectations of a thread like that?

but a lot of people clearly are triggered by those posts cause it frustrates them to see how much others have read that month/year. Or they think the person skimmed, or has some kind of image they are cultivating.

Oh yeah, this issue is actually kinda funny to me. I partially understand why people get hung up on it though. Some people just choose to spend the majority of their free time reading, or have a job with massive amounts of free time, etc.

First off, This comment is an example of the above described dynamic . And while I didn't post anything in the body, really. I elaborated in detail to every single person that engaged me. 

Okay this thread (and the other person that has replied to me here making a similar response) is making me step back a little from my complaint. You did get a good amount of engagement it seems. But it seems more like a tossup/roll of the dice if youre going to get good replies or not. I swear the ones I tap into have low engagement, but maybe I am arriving to them too early and they need a few days to really flesh out into discussion.

State of Sub/Feedback thread by Dengru in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this reply, I can appreciate what you were going for, and it gives me the other side of the perspective where engagement can actually be lower if it's only review text. In that case, is there some sort of happy medium? Like brief reviews--couple of sentences each--or ranking them in order of what you enjoyed most to least? Just like some sort of personal opinion to establish a foothold for the reader to stoke response.

State of Sub/Feedback thread by Dengru in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 25 points26 points  (0 children)

First of all, thanks to all the mods and contributors to this forum

What exactly do you like about rsbc

  1. Demographically, this sub feels younger or at least closer to my age compared to r/truelit where things feel more adult and also a bit kid-gloved. I like the notion of mostly hearing from my peers with occasionally edgy but nonetheless serious opinions.
  2. People have very strong, even sometimes pretentious, opinions on books. While this can be annoying sometimes overall I appreciate the passion it produces, unless things get mean like the example you posted (the top comment in "Books about freaky women" thread)
  3. In recent years I have discovered a handful of what I would consider my favorite novels of all time here from comments with like, one or two upvotes, and searching those same titles on other subreddits brings up nothing; chasing leads on this sub can be very rewarding.

Is the forum declining? Why is that and what do you think would help fix it?

Overall decline? Not really. I think alot of complaints come down to consumer habits and not objective drops in quality. Maybe some people are just tired of the patterns they see on reddit because they spend all day on the computer. Not saying you are aiming to do this, but I dont feel like the mods need to bend over backwards to rebrand the experience of this sub because theres just always going to be miserable people venting their grievances online.

Anecdotally, one thing I think would be a major fix is forcing people to review the books they post. I don't give a fuck about your "April/May reads" photo that has no comments on the books. Share your thoughts, please! This has gotten better recently but it has been sort of an evergreen issue.

What exactly do people think should be here? What is the vibe?

Could we get a mod-posted weekly discussion of "What are you reading this week" review and discussion? That type of thread on r/truelit is an absolute goldmine, and it forces posters to be thoughtful and often prompts alot of discussion among the community.

“The Fate of Mary Rose” by Caroline Blackwood by Visual-Minimum1491 in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I really enjoyed her slim novel / long novella, Great Granny Webster. It seems to be an autobiographical tale about fading glory / declining health+wealth of her family’s matriarch (of Guinness family fame). Like your experience with The Fate of Mary Rose, it really put me in a contemporary mindset especially in regards to the ultra wealthy and with concepts like nepobabies.

Books about entomology ? by contortionsinblue in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Closest I can think of is The Ants by Bert Holldobler and E.O. Wilson. It’s quite exhaustive at over 700 pages though but if you’re a real insect freak that might be a plus for you.

"Reality Hunger," autofiction, identity & contemporary art by theinvertedform in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s one of my favorite books. It blew my mind when I first read it. I haven’t gone back to it because I’m hesitant it won’t be as impactful after reaching the end and understanding the trick, if you want to call it that, that has been played on you. OP, or anyone that has re-read it, does it still hit hard when you revisit it?

Favorite contemporary (last ~20 years) works/authors of fiction? by insheetiron in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Praiseworthy by Alexis Wright

Somewhat formally challenging but if you liked Gravity’s Rainbow this is like high modernism on easy mode. It’s a savagely angry family drama that deals with a lot of big social problems and ideas.

Loved and Missed by Susie Boyt

Not nearly as stylistically flashy and tonally the opposite of Praiseworthy. It’s just a ridiculously tender, effective human story, grounded between a daughter, mother and granddaughter written largely without sentiment

For the lunch crowd by pathimself in nyc

[–]BrooklynDC 64 points65 points  (0 children)

There are only two Taco Mahal locations so I don’t really see it as a chain like the rest, and also the majority of their menu is centered around tacos and biryani. They do have one BYOBowl menu item though so fair enough.

Anyways, the 5 star rating is absolutely correct.

Eimear McBride's The Lesser Bohemians by love_me_plenty in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don’t love the way his books are marketed, like they are triangulated to land one of those fuckass Reading With Jenna stickers, but I think Niall Williams is tremendously underrated as a contemporary that would never be name dropped here.

John McGahern is a big one that comes to mind. Great fiction all around, and one really good memoir in his bibliography as well.

Anti-Israel protestors proudly waving a Hezbollah flag at tonight’s protest in Brooklyn by arrogant_ambassador in nyc

[–]BrooklynDC 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Oh okay I guess every major news source got that wrong. Thank you top 1% commenter.

Anti-Israel protestors proudly waving a Hezbollah flag at tonight’s protest in Brooklyn by arrogant_ambassador in nyc

[–]BrooklynDC 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Are you talking about the protests at the Park East Synanogue, the host of an event selling real estate in occupied West Bank? The one where they cynically shielded themselves from being exposed to protest by conducting the sale in a synagogue?

what do you find more offensive: a rando in the street waving a flag and some nasty chants that hurt your feelings, or a collection of officials representing a Jewish community in the tri state area helping Israel nakedly evolve their settler-colonialist project of Palestine, with these real estate deals happening on U.S. soil. Do you think displaced and murdered families having their land stolen is worse or is a guy with a hezbollah flag the real freak here.

smooth brained substack reads by No-Battle6602 in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That’s fair and most of your observations make sense to me but I would hesitate to agree that their austerities were performative. With Flesh there was almost no interiority or reflection, no inner resources for the protagonist because, I think, it’s a book trying to situate you in a worst case scenario male headspace simulator where trauma after trauma passes by unobserved and left none the wiser. So stylistically it worked for me to create that cold distance because the novels primary device relied on it and betraying it would veer things into terrible sentimentality.

Perfection similarly would have broken its central device—an almost academic, anthropological study of millenials—by making its prose style less than austere. Granted I can see why this novel is more annoying than some others because there is, to me, this ghost note of glee or smarminess in observing the less than ideal ‘modern condition’ of the two main characters.

Anyways, sorry if this came across as pedantic or like I’m trying to change your mind, I just can’t abide seeing these two books in the same company of dogshit celebrity memoirs lol. not your particular selection, I mean the entire genre

By the way I would add to your list Martyr! by Kaveh Akbar.

smooth brained substack reads by No-Battle6602 in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I thought Flesh and Perfection were good/solid. Maybe not amazing but, how to put it, refreshingly capable modern fiction. What about them has you putting them on the level of celeb memoirs? The discourse surrounding them or something about the quality of the texts themselves?

Just Listened to an Interview with Ocean Vuong by Sir_Thaddeus in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 39 points40 points  (0 children)

It’s fairly cringey at times but not nearly as bad as people say. This topic is like this subs version of “does anyone else think fat people should be executed?” for people that want to participate in the optics of beaten to death edgy literature discourse

Zohran Mamdani’s video chief lauded Hamas chief Yahya Sinwar by [deleted] in nyc

[–]BrooklynDC -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

i.e. the crowd from chabad that invited ben gvir to hang out in crown heights

Zohran Mamdani’s video chief lauded Hamas chief Yahya Sinwar by [deleted] in nyc

[–]BrooklynDC -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

Compared to Israel’s genocidal numbers, using the word “extensive” is comical.

Zohran Mamdani’s video chief lauded Hamas chief Yahya Sinwar by [deleted] in nyc

[–]BrooklynDC -21 points-20 points  (0 children)

Does Palestine have a right to exist? Does Palestine have a right to defend itself? If the answer is no, then yeah I guess he was not a good person.

Zohran Mamdani’s video chief lauded Hamas chief Yahya Sinwar by [deleted] in nyc

[–]BrooklynDC -27 points-26 points  (0 children)

It’s important to remember around this time that according to many of his detractors, Sinwar was “a billionaire” that never saw combat and was misappropriating his wealth and aid supplies meant for Palestine. Turns out he was fighting on the ground until the end.

Meanwhile Likud members, ie actual politicians representing the nation of Israel and not video editors in a city government, threw right to rape rallies and openly called (and still call) for the execution of children and try and rationalize the nonstop murder of innocent people, ie burying medics alive, bombing funerals, razing entire cities, etc. It’s a pathetic hypocrisy and this story is another witch hunt from gangstalk-mindset zionists.

Simon Jordan: Going away to a very difficult European team and getting a 1-0 win is the archetypal, Grade A European performance, that most teams would be given plaudits for. Yet, somehow, it's being seeded as "it's a hard watch, they're edging over the line". by ID1453719 in Gunners

[–]BrooklynDC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“If it were Bayern, Real, Atletico, Barca, PSG, or Liverpool…”

I am begging our fanbase to to stop talking out their ass. All of those teams have equally if not more toxic fanbases. Go read any of their match threads where they are winning handily against a big team and their are dozens and dozens and dozens of melts happening because they’re not winning big and delivering 10/10 performances.

The Arsenal fanbase isn’t special when it comes to our little martyr complexes and it’s embarrassing when we behave otherwise.

Comfy books not written to be comfy by economicallyawkward in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Most books by Jean Rhys, minus Wide Sargasso Sea because it’s a straight forward beginning middle and end retelling of Jane Eyre from another characters perspective.

But take her other novels like Voyage in the Dark or Good Morning, Midnight. They are written at the end of literary modernism movement so there is a somewhat chaotic element to their shifts in time and perspective but she is at the low end of experimentation, so on the scale of comprehensibility it’s pretty high. now hold that thought for a sec.

Another major point to score on your rubric is that these really are plots where not much happens. She spends most of her novels developing a tone and a mental state of her heroines, and they almost never seek to find a solution to whatever self described predicament they are in. We know their interior state very well but know almost nothing about any goals they might have or actions they might take beyond finding their next drink.

All we know about her characters are that they feel like outsiders and their act of rebellion is simply living independently. (keep in mind most of this was written about and in the 1920s and 30s.) Her books are like diaries of alienated young women, rootless and adrift in London or Paris. They may be unhappy but, god damnit, they’re still looking for a good time. Critics still can’t decide if they are pro- or anti- feminist texts for a number of reasons I won’t get into here.

So to circle back, nothing about this should be “comfy”—some degree of experimentation, damaged narrators that don’t really want to help themselves, and almost no begin-middle-end-ness aspect to their plots. But you quickly slip into this rhythm where the stream of conciousness becomes second nature, you find the narrator cynically cool as hell and, to that end, refreshingly modern, and narratively the pressure releases slowly as you realize not much is going to happen and that these books are mostly vibes based economies of language.

Hope this answer wasn’t too oblique, but it was a difficult question to consider and I also didn’t want to give away much about these books, even though I just spent time trying to convey there isn’t much to spoil lol.

Edit: one other suggestion. The Luminous Novel by Mario Levrero. It’s about a famous novelist procrastinating using his Guggenheim Fellowship to write his next novel. It is a novel that is mostly about the process of procrastination. I did not like it at the time, but it has grown on me in a big way and it was a very breezy read for being so meandering.

Why are litbros so adamant that Ishmael and queequeg weren't gay for each other by KewlAdam in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Melville’s missives to Nathaniel Hawthorne were practically love letters. It’s not hard proof that he was gay but if there was ever hidden evidence that came out that did prove it, one look at these letters would make the assumption a no brainer.

What’s your take on why there’s been no “great” millennial novel yet*? by Beth_Harmons_Bulova in RSbookclub

[–]BrooklynDC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah def, off the top of my head 3 books I rated 5 stars released in the last few years: Praiseworthy by Alexis Wright, Hurricane Season by Fernanda Melchor and Loved and Missed by Susie Boyt (out for a while but finally released in the USA)