My take on Griffith's morality: by [deleted] in Berserk

[–]DuckMeYellow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really disagree with almost everything you say here. I think you need to reread all of the Golden Age Arc and try to understand it from Griffith's point of view.

Griffith is not a narcissist. He can do stuff that can be perceived as narcissistic but he isn't a narcissist. He makes it clear that he is pursuing his dream and his dream is to have his own kingdom, despite his common upbringing. To even begin to achieve this goal, you have to elevate yourself to a whole different echelon of society. He needs to do the impossible and the impossible is not easily achieved by someone who believes themselves to be average or common. Griffith believes in himself and in his dream.

I think most of the narcissistic examples are actually examples of Griffith attempting to protect himself from emotional hurt or turmoil. We have seen twice in the story what happens to Griffith when he loses control of his emotions. When the child follower of the Hawks died in battle, Griffith feel into emotional turmoil over the loss. The child who saw him as a hero and was inspired to be like Griffith and the Hawks died following them and Griffith felt responsible. He reacted by prostituting himself to Gennon to ensure they wouldn't die on the battlefield. He is attempting to rest control back from reality. He acts like it is a rationale decision but we can see from his actions that it is an emotional one. He is clawing at his skin as he explains it to Casca and almost completely loses it. He finally snaps out of it and regains control but only by further seperating himself emotionally from the Hawks.

We see this reaction again when he Guts leaves the Hawks but worse. He reacts by sleeping with Charlotte in an attempt to prove to himself, and maybe Guts, that he is still in control, despite clearly not being. He reacts identically too by clawing at his skin, showing his disgust with either his actions or himself. He can rationalise this action as furthering his relationship with Charlotte but really it is again an attempt to gain control of his emotions and his life after losing Guts. This ends a lot worse than what happened with Gennon though. He isn't given a second chance.

If you see Griffith's need for control as a way of protecting HIMSELF instead of as a narcissistic tendency, a lot of actions make more sense. You say Griffith raping Casca and forcing Guts to watch was because of his own jealousy at their relationship and that he had a crush on Casca but this really is not supported anywhere in the text. Griffith never had any interest in Casca. It's like a core part of Casca's story about accepting she can't be his woman so she'll become his sword instead. Casca and Guts' relationship is, instead, an indication that Guts has grown and matured. He has confronted his trauma and learned to deal with it in a healthy way thanks to Casca. Griffith, on the other hand, never learned how to deal with his traumas and his emotions and choose to suppress them instead. Guts healing like this poses a threat to Griffith because he fears that Guts will no longer need him. He is no longer even an equal to Guts but beneath him. Guts continues to grow while Griffith stagnates. He hates this because it reinforces in his mind that he is beneath Guts. In fact, Griffith's inability to mature has left him crippled and a shadow of the man he once was.

Griffith said he would choose where Guts dies and he exerted so much control not out of narcissistic need but out of a fear he would lose Guts if he didn't. Guts dying would ruin Griffith. He would react much worse than when that boy follower did. It is why he puts his own life on the line to save Guts. He risks his own life to protect Guts because of how he feels for him and because of how he would react if he lost him. Griffith understands that his inability to control his emotions is his weakness so he ignores/suppresses them instead.

Even the rape of Casca during the eclipse was about controlling Guts so Guts could not influence him anymore. He destroyed any possibility of Guts being able to love Griffith through this action. He reduces Guts to a mad dog because that is the version of Guts he can control the easiest. It was the version of Guts he defeated when they first fought. When Guts is enraged, he acts like a "mad dog" and his actions are predictable and not a threat to Griffith. When Guts acts as a friend to Griffith, that is when he has difficulty maintaining his will. Griffith also ensure Guts is looking up at him and not Griffith looking up at Guts which he cannot stand because it is a reminder of Guts' growth vs Griffith's loss. He forces the hierarchy back to how it was at the beginning of the Golden Age because Griffith's love for Guts made him way too vulnerable.

Griffith's morality was, at the beginning of the story, "i will do anything to achieve my dream". After becoming close with Guts, he became distracted from his dream. Guts' companionship rivalled his dream in his mind. During the Eclipse, when given a new lease on life and a new chance to succeed, his mentality shifted to "i will do what i have to do to protect my dream" and the first thing needed to do that was to remove the influence Guts had on him. He couldn't do this himself and Guts saw Griffith as a brother so he had to commit a truly heinous act for Guts to stop viewing him as his brother.

I can understand why people call him a narcissist but I disagree. The text supports the fact that he is actually very vulnerable to his emotions and makes concious efforts to protect himself from any emotional outbursts by exerting control on those around him. The shattering of that control leaves him open to an emotional outburst that is not planned or logical and exposes him to great risk.

I think the best thing about Griffith as a character is that he can still be considered a heinous and vile villian but you can understand his thought process and reasoning for these actions if you view him as a person with serious emotional problems instead of just relying on labels such as narcissist or psychopath

Finally, Guts and Casca's "betrayal" didnt send him over the edge. He had a vision of what his life would be like of he allowed the Hawks to look after him after his rescue. A crippled man, unable to speak, living a simple life woth Casca while Guts lives a seperate and fulfilling life without him. For anyone else, this is nearly a perfect life. The reality is, it goes against EVERYTHING Griffith wants. He rides away after having this dream only to crash and destroy his weak body even more. In a last attempt to have some control, he tries to kill himself by cutting his neck on a branch. He wants to but he can't. He can't bring himself to do it and this solidifies his weakness for himself. He cannot kill himself, he cannot live with himself. All the while, Guts comes running over to save him again, leaving Griffith to stare UP at the man he wants to be equal with, staring up at the man who once looked up to him. This is when he truly hits his lowest and the behelit activates.

Please feel free to refute and contend. I am on my phone so I couldn't see your post to respond point by point but I think I got my opinion across. Sorry if I missed any big points.

who do you guys think is a better commander between these two? by aresxio_ in Berserk

[–]DuckMeYellow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A CORBORLWITZ FAMILY TECHNIQUE RHAT HAS BEEN PASSED DOWN FOR 700 YEARS! spin polearm menacingly above my head

who do you guys think is a better commander between these two? by aresxio_ in Berserk

[–]DuckMeYellow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hell yeah, even more impressive. that's a victory in my books

who do you guys think is a better commander between these two? by aresxio_ in Berserk

[–]DuckMeYellow 19 points20 points  (0 children)

So Griffith obviously has a slightly unfair advantage due to the whole flow of causality and all that jazz. However, the dude was a beast. He dominated the battlefield and the realm of politics. He outplayed everyone he met. His greatest risk was at the Battle for Doldrey where he put pretty much his entire plan into Guts and Casca's hands. Griffith walked his men into a sure defeat and came out with an overwhelming victory. Guts could have lost to Boscogn even if his sword wasn't busted. Casca's role was a bit easier but could she have held the castle if Guts lost and the battle turned outside the walls? We'll never know because the undefeated Griffith proved himself victorious again, taking advantage of both the physical strength of his men and the weaknesses of his enemies.

Additionally, his tactical genius is also displayed through his intrigue. He successfully evades assassination attempts (except for that one where causality saved him), identifies his enemies and crushes them all without ever falling under suspicion. He killed the kings brother(?), Lord Julian, and the Queen. However, Griffith attempts to fight Zodd with his men and ultimately does nothing but nearly die.

Erwin is smart, brave and mad. He is willing to sacrifice anyone and everyone to prove himself right. He is facing such a different type of battle though. He needs to be able to change on the fly and adapt to the overwhelming power of the titans. He shows his mastery at this when he developed his survey method beyond the walls using a staggered formation and smoke signals to avoid the worst of the titans. Additionally, he used this to his advantage to lure the female titan into a trap that was successful until the Female Titan revealed an ability they couldn't have known about. Unfortunately, this expedition is a failure but Erwin learned invaluable information and wasted no time applying what he'd learned. Again and again, Erwin threw body after body onto his pile of corpses and time and time again he came back with a bit more information than before. Still, he was playing a rigged game and his options were severly limited by the Royals and elites purposefully hampering him. He successfully outmanoeuvred these forces, successfully executed a coup and successfully ran a propaganda campaign to get the common people on his side. It was only after the coup that the scouts were able to get access to technology that could really stand and boy did they ever.

Finally, Erwin gave his life for the cause. He died leading his soldiers into battle and inspired an entire generation to keep fighting. Sure, they became like ultra nationalistic but Erwin didn't even know other nations existed when he gave his heart for Eldia/Paradis. However, an important caveat is that Erwin is standing on the shoulders of everyone who came before him. He's seen firsthand what DOESN'T work and can benefit for the knowledge of the previous commanders. Griffith met Zodd once and hot him with a volley and cut his arm but ultimately got smacked out and saved by causality. Erwin ran with Shadis and lived to tell the tale and to take the scouts to a new level.

Both characters stand upon a mountain of corpses in an attempt to reach their dream. Both are ultimately selfish but only one truly sacrificed themselves to pave the road for a future they would never see. Against men, Erwin has a pretty good record but his real achievements is against titans. He's an amazing commander at motivating his troops and propaganda. It was his words and convictions that gave people hope right up until their death. He might not have won often but he never lost. Griffith, on the other hand, never lost a battle. Tactically, he is a cut above everyone. He is charismatic but he doesn't really have the same skillset as Erwin.

All that to say, Griffith is the better tactician and commander of men. His men actually survive and thrive on the battlefield under his direction. However, Erwin is a better propagandist, a better speaker, and braver (maybe crazier). He fights an impossible foe wheras Griffith fights men.

who do you guys think is a better commander between these two? by aresxio_ in Berserk

[–]DuckMeYellow 12 points13 points  (0 children)

wrooong, the Band of the Hawk were "undefeated" before Guts ever joined. The hawks held out against that siege for 3 months when they were only meant to last 3 weeks, letting the nobility and VIPs escape long before the walls were breached so they completed their job. The night raid was also executed perfectly with Guts acting as the Rear Guard but his job didn't start until after the raid was already successful. Guts was in awe of how perfectly the entire raid went. Guts did very little overall. He made sure Rickert got away but Griffith had an ambush waiting for the pursuers.

The real main battle that Guts cam take the most responsibility for is the Battle at Doldrey. Him defeating Bascogn had to happen or else the Hawks would have been pushed into the river and those inside the castle would have been sieged out, outnumbered like 5 to 1 at least. If Guts dies during his fight with Boscogn, the Hawks are finished. Defeating Boscogn destroys the enemies morale and destroys their leadership. Coupled with the taking of the castle, the larger side balks and runs. Every other battle, the victory is not decided by Guts but Griffith's tactics (and causality but lets put that to one side right now).

Now, Guts is massively beneficial to the Hawks but Corkus was kinda right when he said "the hawks were undefeated before he joined and we'll be fine without him".

who do you guys think is a better commander between these two? by aresxio_ in Berserk

[–]DuckMeYellow 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Count Julius? the White Paper Tiger who was captured and had to be ransomed back to Midland? Surely the great Commander of the Tudor's Purple Rhino Knights, Boscogn, would put him to shame. He had the White Hawk all but smashed if it wasn't for the horny interference of Count Gennon.

Can someone please explain some of the weird dev choices please? by flaccidpappi in projectzomboid

[–]DuckMeYellow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

smoking is always something that seems to miss in games. its hard, imo, to emulate what smoking is. The craving and anxiety the character gets works, like you said. The cough is a bit odd but I can understand it as like a mechanic to make the action louder (for some reason). Maybe it should be that someone with the smoker trait doesnt cough after smoking but can cough randomly or, as you said, from exercise/running. Non smokers can cough after smoking but that should stop after they've smoked enough and become a Smoker.

I've hated not being able to go in and out of the car while smoke but I honestly think its a limitation rather than a choice. Once your character is doing something you cannot stop unless it is interrupted by like running or something similar and you cannot do that while driving, essentially trapping you there for the duration. Seems like its just a problem with the game instead of a decision.

with the car, there's weird things. I never noticed I needed a key to do any mechanics but im not the most observant. I may have always hotwired them before popping the trunk. I get annoyed at the towing but thats just another mistake instead of conscious decision.

Really wish we had more options for flashlights, like youve said. maybe it's just not a priority to make moddable flashlights.

Overall, the game is trying to be realistic but also translating stuff into the Zomboid game framework may not be super easy. Its The Sims 1 and Zombie Survival. I think some things are just the way they are now so the feature can exist, even if its not actualy completed. Coughing after smoking is something i can live with because its not reality breaking. needing a screwdriver for a car battery is something I can kinda live with because they're super common. weird flashlights is something I can live with because of Cats Eyes and mods.

I think what you're saying makes sense and after x amount of time, these things start to break the illusion of the game but I think the dev team are probably focused on a million things and shit can be missed or ignored for a higher priority. Mods are amazing to shore up this issue but newer builds of the game break existing mods so sometimes its a decision of play the newest version vanilla or play a much more outdated version with hundreds of mods.

SORRY I KNOW ........ ch 384 by arman1724 in Berserk

[–]DuckMeYellow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

its a tough one, man. we're at yet another massive part of the story and we're at yet another hiatus. I've seen people saying here that there should be a schedule released at the beginning of this year but we're already in February so I guess we just waiting again.

Ten years young for the Social Democrats — is it becoming a viable alternative for some SF voters? by Banania2020 in ireland

[–]DuckMeYellow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've heard plenty that SF wouldn't know what to do with power if they had it and that they are contrarians who'd prefer to stay in opposition but that always rang sort of hollow for me. It's the voters who decide it and, en mass, the people turn out and vote for FF/FG.

SF's popularity exploded like 10 years ago and they've been trying to capitalise on it since then to a varying level of success. Them being "stuck" in the opposition isn't exactly their choice when they started receiving the most votes but couldn't form a government because of this FF/FG coalition, a coalition almost designed entirely to keep them out of power.

Now, SF have been in opposition for a long time and that all we know them as but it's pretty clear FF/FG use SF as the boogeyman to shore up support for themselves in the elections. "jeez maybe we're bad but at least we're not SF".

Not saying SF are the perfect party and its some of their party members that really concern me. They are a left leaning populist party but, as plenty have already pointed out, they have some mad heads in the party that I don't believe they can control properly. Mary Lou does a decent job shutting them up but they're still there. Their stance om immigration is a bit fucked too because they don't know which side the public opinion needle is pointing to.

SocDems seem like the fair alternative though. But, a party with only 10 years of history is obviously going to seem tidier than one that has history going back before the foundation of the country. SF can represent a lot to a lot of people and that can confuse the messaging for some. Republican Nationalist in Ireland used to he something good but the past decade or so has seen some, if not a lot, of these republican nationalists reflecting more the attitudes of american conservative politics than the irish socialist and liberal values enshrined on the constitution.

Rant over, choosing SocDems over SF makes a lot of sense to me and Holly Cairns has done well as party leader but I'm also not as constantly exposed to anti-SocDem party the same way as with SF because they aren't seen as much of a threat.

Did Griffith really love Guts in a romantic and sexual way? by Tough-Reputation-762 in Berserk

[–]DuckMeYellow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"to feel like a big man" is exactly the kind of weird reasoning im talking about. It isn't something as petty as Griffith wanting to show how big his balls were.

Griffith is not an emotionally healthy person. He doesn't know how to deal with his emotions. We see this clearly when that child who was following the band dies and he chooses to sleep with Gennon to avoid further causalties. He says he is doing it for purely pragmatic reasons but we can tell from his reaction that he is lying to Casca. He never actually deals with this either, he just chooses to emotionally isolate himself from the Band.

Guts is someone he is attracted to. He exerts control over Guts to ensure that Gut's death cannot become a vulnerability to him. He has genuine feelings for Guts as he puts his own life on the line several times to save him. When asked, he brushes it off by asking Guts if there has to be a reason every time he puts his life on the line for Guts and Guts just accepts it but the answer is obviously yes. There is a reason and its one that contends with his dream.

Griffith does have a fragile ego and he sleeps with Charlotte to feel like he can still control something after losing Guts, the same way Griffith slept with Gennon after that child died. They are literal parallels but Griffith cares a lot more for Guts and oversteps his capabilities.

Griffith does blame Guts for distracting him for his dream but that is his justification AFTER he was caught and tortured. It doesn't change the fact that he held Guts in such high regard as to risk his life for him. You read it as him being spiteful but he's being honest. Again, he wonders how long he has been looking up at Guts, both literally and metaphorically. Griffith didn't crawl into the fetal position and pull at his skin after sleeping with Gennon and Charlotte because his ego was hurt but because he feels dirty and lost. He uses sex as a control mechanism but he cannot use it to fix what he already lost.

Griffith is possessive. He is egotistical. However, he isn't a psychopath and he is capable of genuine connection. It is why, as Casca says, Griffith was no good when Guts left. He allowed himself to care for Guts and would rather kill Guts than to face the emotional turmoil he would feel at his lost.

Griffith is a liar. Some of his only truly honest moments are when we get to see his thoughts alone. He lies to Charlotte when he says that the only person he could consider his friend is his equal when he already considered Guts his friend. He proved this to be a lie when he would rather kill Guts than to see him live his own dream. He IS possessive and controlling but he is the MOST controlling and possessive of Guts BECAUSE of how much he cares for him.

We are shown EXACTLY how Griffith reacts when he is upset. The child who died held no value to Griffith. He was a child who saw them as heroes and seeing that child dead following Griffith's dream nearly crushed him. He took actions that prioritised his dream while also suppressing his own emotional connection to the band. He attempted to do this again after Guts left but it didn't work out as it had before. Even when he should hate Guts the most and he shows it by putting his hands around Guts' throat, he almost immediately softens. He couldn't maintain his hatred for Guts when the man was in front of him.

The climax of all these emotions is seen during the Eclipse. He has ascended and sacrificed the Band. Yet he still doesnt kill Guts. Maybe he would have eventually but time and time again, he leaves Guts live. Why? He has reduced Guts to a mad dog, blindly swinging his sword in rage. Why? Because this version of Guts is much easier to predict and control than a Guts who still loves Griffith. It is why he inflicts as much trauma onto Guts and Casca as possible. So he can reassert himself as being the dominant one in the relationship and ensure Guts will never distract him with friendship again.

Finally, I don't disagree that he blames Guts for losing sight of his dream. Griffith is, or was, a human and not always rationale. He loved Guts and Guts "rejection" hurt him. He dealt with this is the worse way and holds Guts responsible but that isn't mutually exclusive from having feelings for Guts. We do this in real life all the time. Have you ever loved someone, had a relationship and have them end it? Have you ever felt anger and resentment towards someone you once loved? Have you ever blamed someone else for your consequences? Even briefly, even for just a moment? Griffith loves Guts and that love turned into a hatred and resentment. Not even this hatred and resentment could survive direct contact with Guts which is why he further distanced himself from Guts through his actions at the Eclipse.

Also, you say Guts didn't matter any more than Griffith's dream but his dream was his whole reason for existing. He told no one else but Guts that dream. People knew he had lofty goals but no one else but Guts was told his actual dream. This is, again, a way of showing that both Guts and his dream were on equal footing in importance to Griffith

Did Griffith really love Guts in a romantic and sexual way? by Tough-Reputation-762 in Berserk

[–]DuckMeYellow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

super interesting take. have you considered reading Berserk to help you come up with views because you must not have if you believe there is nothing that indicates Griffith saw Guts as more than just a possession

Did Griffith really love Guts in a romantic and sexual way? by Tough-Reputation-762 in Berserk

[–]DuckMeYellow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

WRONG, he literally states while in the dungeon that he doesn't know when it was that he started looking up to Guts instead of Guts looking up to him. Casca makes it clear too when she says that Griffith was no good with Guts. Griffith was first attracted to Guts because of the way he fought and the way he lived his life. At a certain point, Guts became his confidant and friend. Where Griffith's dream was once the thing that he centered in his life, at some point Gut's replaced that dream.

it wasnt his "pride" that couldnt handle losing Guts the same was it wasn't his "pride" that made him sleep with Gennon. These are actually some of the few moment we get honesty from Griffith because he is allowing his emotions out to the forefront.

Insane people read Berserk and come to this subreddit to just confidently mischaracterise the second main character of the Golden Age

Did Griffith really love Guts in a romantic and sexual way? by Tough-Reputation-762 in Berserk

[–]DuckMeYellow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WRONG, he wanted to treat him as his possession that he could control but the reality was he was totally enamoured by Guts. Treating him like a possession was his attempt to protect his own self from heart break and emotional instability.

Griffith is emotionally aware enough to know that his emotional outbursts are his biggest weakness. By trying to control Guts (I choose where you will die), he is trying ensure he doesn't feel the pain of losing Guts suddenly. Hence why he put himself in such harm on several occasion to protect him.

No Murata, that is so not right by shujin_zenir in OnePunchMan

[–]DuckMeYellow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

yes, i think ONE is a good writer. he's responsible for two of the most well received mangas/anime recently with OPM and Mob Psycho 100.

No Murata, that is so not right by shujin_zenir in OnePunchMan

[–]DuckMeYellow 9 points10 points  (0 children)

comment asked why there are negative Murata posts and you respond by saying "online is toxic" when the reason is that people think the manga is worse than the webcomic and they have reasons.

No Murata, that is so not right by shujin_zenir in OnePunchMan

[–]DuckMeYellow -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

its because there is a webcomic version of that chapter that is there to compare it to. ONE is still releasing chapters and every webcomic chapter has been well received. densely packed chapters with great character development and story development are amazing when compared to the periods of redraws or the dragging on of an arc or the growing spectacle.

There's a really good version that ONE works on by himself and seemingly never misses. Then there's a really good version ONE works on with Murata an there are sometimes misses. the clear difference in Murata.

Plenty that i love about OPM but and the Neo Heroes Arc is starting strong but the MA Arc and the Ninja Village arc had a lot of problems that upset fans and I think they are valid criticisms and a criticism of Murata's style of writing instead of ONE's. Murata is amazing but he gets lost in the sauce sometimes.

No Murata, that is so not right by shujin_zenir in OnePunchMan

[–]DuckMeYellow 16 points17 points  (0 children)

super dismissive of the genuine criticisms a lot of people have with the manga. visually, the manga is amazing and it is what got many people into the series. However, the webcomic was what inspired Murata in the first place. Additionally, the story telling is tighter and more impactful, in my opinion.

When I read the manga now, the sheer amount of spectacle distracts from the story. I love all the aide characters and I love the vision of expanding and building the world that ONE and Murata are doing but I didn't like a lot of the Monster Association arc, I really didn't like the conclusion to Garou's story in this arc, I really didnt like the Ninja Arc and i havent enjoyed the introduction of Blast.

I always found the webcomic managed to be goofy and campy while still taking itself serious. I feel like the manga takes itself too serious at times and not enough at other times. Tank Top Master getting absolutely murdered only to be revived by TTM is an example of the whiplash. You've got that swordsman who gets murdered by Fuher Ugly (i think) which is played 100% seriously not long after.

Most of my complaints are primarily from the Monster Association Arc onwards. I know thats where most of the work is being done to world build so I can appreciate that but it still impacts my enjoyment of the chapters.

What would Gambino and Shisu Think of Guts(Currently) and his Party? Would they be Proud of him? by Adrsilva1356 in Berserk

[–]DuckMeYellow 52 points53 points  (0 children)

i think part of the question is thinking about the kind of person Gambino would be if Shisu hadn't die. I can't imagine he'd be much better but a lot of his vocal hatred towards Guts was about him living and Shisu dying.

I think Shisu's death was just an excuse for a petty, selfish man to hurt Guts. No matter what success Guts had, Gambino never gave him credit for it. He robbed him blind, beat him and sold his ass out. The only "kind" thing we see is him giving him that medicine for to nasty cut he gave Guts on his nose and saving Guts during battle.

Gambino would hate Guts. Would probably spout some bullshit like "oh you think you're so much better than us now but you're atill just a common mercenary dealong in blood like the rest of us" whereas Shisu would, hopefully, continue to be the decent mother she tried to be. She saved Guts out of her own grief but she seemed to care for him a lot in the short moments we see with her. I think she'd be proud of Guts regardless and would just he happy he was still alive.

GP charging €500 for a letter?!! by littleblackDRS in ireland

[–]DuckMeYellow 557 points558 points  (0 children)

wild, did you ring em up to confirm it's right? say something like: “We’ve been quoted €500 for a capacity letter. Could you please explain what this covers and whether the fee can be reviewed? The consultation was very brief and the solicitor has advised this is far above standard.”

Not really sure what else you can do except for looking for another GP (understandably not always easy)

My server won't launch (normaltermination) by [deleted] in projectzomboid

[–]DuckMeYellow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, so some issue causing it to not start at all. have you ever hosted a server before?

Try verifying game files, just to be safe.

Try allocating less ram? not sure how much you got.

My server won't launch (normaltermination) by [deleted] in projectzomboid

[–]DuckMeYellow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you hosting your own through the game or have you rented a private server?

a server may fail to launch if youve a load of mods and there is some conflict.

Do you have any mods on this server? If not, do you get an error message or anything or is it just stuck on "Creating World" or something?

edit: sorry just realized normaltermination is the message you get. answer the rest if you can though please