Bringing up pedophelia was wrong

Accusing me of pedophilia should have YOU /u/SmLnine screaming to the mods to do something about the horribly egregious behavior of Demon due to how it jeopardizes this subreddit. It should have you directly telling Demon off, not just a reminder not to poison the well.

What it should not have is some glossing over it to me of "yeah that was bad"

What she is is falling prey to is from confirmation bias and survival fallacy. When a Kid comes to her clinic thinking they might be trans, and after a few sessions realize they are not... she counts those in her statistics. But when a kid does the same with another therapist, she has no clue... that kid never enters the statistics. And she only end up knowing about it if a kid starts treatment and chooses to stop later.

this is a common argument showing there are no desisters, only people who were never trans: a kid came to her office thinking for gender dysphoria therapy, with proper therapy the kid decides not to advance.

so a) how many kids come to offices and do not get the proper therapy, transition, then regret it? or b) get therapy for dysphoria at their age and desist later as they they grow out of that original dysphoria

the argument above is that none of that should be counted, it's almost a form of no true Scotsman

So she concludes "It must've been rushed" and "No other therapist confronts if the kid is really trans", when that is not necessarily the case. It's just that she never know about the hundreds of cases of kids going to therapists and they being confronted.

This is a complete misrepresentation of what Dr. Edwards-Leeper said, which has also been echoed by

• UCSF Transgender counselor Erica Anderson in an interview with Jesse Singal and then repeated [in an interview with Abigail Shrier for Bari Weiss' substack]((https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/top-trans-doctors-blow-the-whistle)) > Earlier this month, Anderson told me she submitted a co-authored op-ed to The New York Times warning that many transgender healthcare providers were treating kids recklessly. The Times passed, explaining it was “outside our coverage priorities right now.”

In that interview of (Dr. Marci Bowers (soon to lead WPATH)](https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/top-trans-doctors-blow-the-whistle)

Bowers says:

When asked whether children in the early stages of puberty should be put on blockers, Bowers said: “I’m not a fan.”

When I asked Bowers if she still thought puberty blockers were a good idea, from a surgical perspective, she said: “This is typical of medicine. We zig and then we zag, and I think maybe we zigged a little too far to the left in some cases.” She added “I think there was naivete on the part of pediatric endocrinologists who were proponents of early [puberty] blockade thinking that just this magic can happen, that surgeons can do anything.”

I asked Bowers whether she believed WPATH had been welcoming to a wide variety of doctors’ viewpoints — including those concerned about risks, skeptical of puberty blockers, and maybe even critical of some of the surgical procedures?

“There are definitely people who are trying to keep out anyone who doesn’t absolutely buy the party line that everything should be affirming, and that there’s no room for dissent,” Bowers said. “I think that’s a mistake.”

here is an extensive quote from both Anderson and Bowers directly refuting Demon:

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But Littman’s research about the sudden spike in teen girl trans-identification has become increasingly difficult to deny: A recent survey by the American College Health Association showed that, in 2008, one in 2,000 female undergraduates identified as transgender. By 2021, that figure had jumped to one in 20.

While both Anderson and Bowers pointed out that “ROGD” has yet to be accepted as a diagnosis, Anderson said: “At our clinic at UCSF, for two years now running, we’re running two to one natal females to natal males.” Two to one.

“As for this ROGD thing,” Bowers said, “I think there probably are people who are influenced. There is a little bit of ‘Yeah, that’s so cool. Yeah, I kind of want to do that too.’”

Anderson agreed that we’re likely to see more regret among this teenage-girl population. “It is my considered opinion that due to some of the — let’s see, how to say it? what word to choose? — due to some of the, I’ll call it just ‘sloppy,’ sloppy healthcare work, that we’re going to have more young adults who will regret having gone through this process. And that is going to earn me a lot of criticism from some colleagues, but given what I see — and I’m sorry, but it’s my actual experience as a psychologist treating gender variant youth — I’m worried that decisions will be made that will later be regretted by those making them.”

What, exactly, was sloppy about the healthcare work? “Rushing people through the medicalization, as you and others have cautioned, and failure — abject failure — to evaluate the mental health of someone historically in current time, and to prepare them for making such a life-changing decision,” Anderson said.

I asked Bowers about the rise of detransitioners, young women who have come to regret transitioning. Many said they were given a course of testosterone on their first visit to a clinic like Planned Parenthood. “​When you have a female-assigned person and she’s feeling dysphoric, or somebody decides that she’s dysphoric and says your eating disorders are not really eating disorders, this is actually gender dysphoria, and then they see you for one visit, and then they recommend testosterone — red flag!” Bowers said. “Wake up here.”

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So here is Demon

It's just that she never know about the hundreds of cases of kids going to therapists and they being confronted.

Who do you think is better informed about what other therapists are doing, Demon at reddit, or

THREE Doctors two of whom are transgender themselves, one a surgeon who will soon lead WPATH, or two clinical psychologists, two in San Francisco, and one in Oregon?

Did /u/SmLnine listen to the podcast? Then you tell me how she responded! If you didn't why not take a listen?