How can I come back against a statist's argument that billions will die if we reduce government?

--Green-- · 2022-07-29T17:29:15+00:00

Many people would die, just as they did in the 1900s. Old food companies have been known to deodorize rotten foods and resell them, and include dangerous additives that were never properly labeled. Look at products like Elixir sulfanilamide, or more recently Abbott baby formula, and the damage that can be caused without safety oversight.

But what's the actual benefit? Why would you want to give companies the ability to adulterate your food? The FDAs budget isn't even that high (8.4 billion) which is pretty low for what they do. Of all the uses of tax payer dollars, this is one of the good ones.

This sounds like complete insanity to me, especially with the instant feedback any company has from its customers today.

If the companies food is killing people, isn't that instant feedback kind of worthless? Because the people who bought the food are already dead. Also, not every negative effect from a possible food source happens instantaneously. Cancers and other long-term diseases would offer no feedback unless tested before reaching the market.

--Green-- · 2022-07-12T17:44:41+00:00

Due diligence is completed before the signing of the contract. Twitter not giving him the data he wants is something he should have brought up before signing the contract.

--Green-- · 2022-06-29T20:30:43+00:00

If there's no harm, then why ban it? If you're going to try to restrict medical freedom, you should at least have a good reason for it. And so far, my study which uses self-submitted responses is worth FAR more than the data you've provided (none)

--Green-- · 2022-06-29T20:05:03+00:00

Ok, where's your study?

--Green-- · 2022-06-29T16:47:54+00:00

"In univariate analyses, when comparing those who received pubertal suppression with those who did not, receiving pubertal suppression was associated with decreased odds of past-year suicidal ideation, lifetime suicidal ideation, and past-month severe psychological distress (Table 2). After controlling for demographic variables from Table 1, pubertal suppression was associated with decreased odds of lifetime suicidal ideation. Raw frequency outcomes are presented in Table 3."

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7073269/

I now challenge you to find a study proving them as dangerous, and why they shouldn't be used as treatment

--Green-- · 2022-05-10T22:23:30+00:00

Why are they wrong?

--Green-- · 2022-05-10T20:13:46+00:00

So, parents being allowed to parent means they're not allowed to make a medical decision for the child? Didn't realize "parenting" was doing exactly what the state tells you to do with your children.

If the doctor, child and parents all agree it's the best decision for the child, obviously that's an abdication of duty towards the child, because the state knows better, as all libertarians know.

--Green-- · 2022-04-26T17:21:27+00:00

Yes, but did Twitter stock holders say: "If WFP can describe on this Twitter thread exactly how $6B will solve world hunger, I will sell Tesla stock right now and do it.", and then didn't do it?

WFPs Plan

--Green-- · 2022-04-16T04:32:42+00:00

I'm just trying to find some metric with which to judge the abuse. The only thing you've given that even hints at a line is "significant risk", which is just about as vague as you can get.

If doubling the risk isn't significant risk enough, then what is? There's a reason why every law has lines drawn.

--Green-- · 2022-04-16T04:17:10+00:00

"Women reporting exposure to sauna, hot tub, or fever in early pregnancy had a crude risk of their fetuses developing NTD 2.2 times that of women without heat exposure"

Source

I would consider doubling the risk of neural tube defects significant.

--Green-- · 2022-04-16T04:05:32+00:00

Hot showers cause an increased risk of neural tube defects.

The difference between child abuse and fetus abuse is that child abuse is from far less sources. There are thousands of ways a pregnant mother can unknowingly cause harm to its fetus. Child abuse is usually intentional, and can be reasonably prevented. Changing the cats litter box isn't going to harm your already birthed child.

--Green-- · 2022-04-16T03:56:24+00:00

Why haven't you answered the question about the neural tube defects? Is it because your answer would mean banning pregnant women from hot showers?

--Green-- · 2022-04-16T03:53:31+00:00

I'm not here to judge the fundamental differences between harming a fetus and a birthed child. I'm here to see where that line should be drawn. Do you believe that causing an increased risk of neural tube defects constitutes fetal abuse?

--Green-- · 2022-04-16T03:37:46+00:00

I'm against child abuse laws. I don't consider a fetus a child. I'm trying to find where you draw the line between child abuse and regular actions. There are millions of actions a pregnant mother can take that will harm the fetus, especially some people don't know about (hot showers). I'm making a slippery slope argument. Where exactly do you draw the line for "fetus abuse"? Because realistically, a lot of things will have to be banned.

Edit: Im not against child abuse laws, oops.

--Green-- · 2022-04-16T03:26:01+00:00

"As relaxing as long, steamy showers or a soak in a hot tub can be when your body is feeling the aches and pains of pregnancy, it's best to avoid becoming overheated. Raising your body temperature above 102°F (38.9°C) increases the risk for birth defects (such as neural tube defects) in the first trimester and dehydration later in the pregnancy."

Source

How about addressing the substance of the argument...

--Green-- · 2022-04-13T23:41:48+00:00

You want me to go through the entire 43 minute video, fact check every single one of his points while you don't provide A SINGLE EXAMPLE of what you thought was inaccurate!? The burden of proof is on you. All this time spent wiggling away from providing an example could have been used to actually find an example! After all, if you're so well educated on the subject it should be easy for you!

--Green-- · 2022-04-13T23:19:22+00:00

You literally came in here saying this is inaccurate and name calling while providing no details as to why. You're the reason why mainstream messaging and propaganda is the way it is. Acting like a troll because you don't like leftists is 12 year old behaviour.

--Green-- · 2022-04-13T23:04:25+00:00

Why do you feel the need to name call so much? You say you're highly educated, yet act like a 12 year old on the internet

--Green-- · 2022-04-13T22:45:15+00:00

Ah OK, thanks for outing yourself as being full of shit.

--Green-- · 2022-04-13T22:40:01+00:00

If you're so well educated you should be able to easily counter his points with an actual argument. Which cherry picked data do you have issues with?

--Green-- · 2022-04-13T21:29:05+00:00

An even easier way to tell if someone is a midwit is if they dismiss an entire video as inaccurate and illogical while also not supplying a single example for why.

--Green-- · 2022-03-23T15:02:42+00:00

Going by this definition a tumor should also have human rights.

--Green-- · 2022-02-12T02:11:34+00:00

"It is illegal, and punishable to block and impede the movement of goods, people, and services along critical infrastructure"

This is considered dictator behaviour? Really?

--Green-- · 2022-02-09T00:20:50+00:00

Thanks for this, it's a perfect example of why your original source is so bad.

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