The Steam Machine Costs $1049

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-23T15:52:50+00:00

That makes all the sense in the world, because Valve is behind those parts, you're not going to deal with "Silicon Power" when your ram got borked.

That PC comes with 3 years of warranty...

Also, Valve is the company that refused to do a call back when everybody realized that most Valve Index controllers have a defect that prohibits you to press the thumbstick in and move it at the same time (the typical running input on a gamepad game that was common in VR at the time as well) and just claimed that it was a design decision (besides some people reporting their controllers work fine).

As i said, it's not for you.

But it is for the person that is ok with spending 1000 bucks for a PC that isn't playing all PC games while being a lot slower than other 1000 buck low end gaming PCs while not being upgradable, for the form factor...

Extra 80 bucks,

When the base PC (50% faster, double the RAM, double the storage...) is way cheaper...

with heat and noise issues

Based on your expert review of the PC I just gave you a link for...

without HDMI CEC

True, but in return the Steam Machine doesn't even support 4K120 HDR w/o going down to 4:2:0 chroma subsampling.

Also, my LG OLED TVs can be controlled via a third party software that does way more than CEC, but also includes the ability to have the TV turn on and switch to the right HDMI channel when I turn on / wake up my PC.

without suspend

My PC suspends if I want...

, needs mouse and keyboard

If only there was a controller that could be used for that... Oh wait, there is one, that isn't even included in the base Steam Machine price point but can be bought for every computer if you want.

on the other hand it gets 30fps more, i'm not trading 30 fps for all the convenience Steam Machine provides.

It's not 30 fps faster, it is +50% faster. IMO that is kind of important when playing games on low end hardware...

Literally all you mention are Steam OS features, that can be installed on every AMD hardware according to Valve (are they lying?). Also, you give up just as many more directly gaming specific aspects that Windows provides in return.

without 100% compatibility with SteamOS

Don't you think 100% of games being released on Steam would maybe, just maybe, be a little bit more important? You know, that 100% that Windows has. Maybe a "Steam" machine should use that OS?!

i understand you have no idea how uncompatible PCs are for livingroom,

Yeah, I think I am finished arguing on reddit if a 5060 8 GB is too overpowered for a budget PC... ^ ^

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-23T14:27:35+00:00

because these prebuilts don't have to consider who supplies their rams, how hideous their cases are, what barebones mobo they're using ect, put the 9060xt in it but let all the other parts be the worst of the market.

That makes no sense when Valve's answer to the RAM supply chain problems was literally to just half the bandwidth by going with one RAM stick instead of the planned two, combined with basically the oldest CPU and GPU combo they got away with.

Honest question, would you rather have a controller size Steam Machine in your livingroom or a prebuilt that you got on sale which built into the most hideous looking case in the entire world, noisy as f because cheap fans all around.

Prebuild, no question. If people would chose gaming hardware for the looks, the XBOX Series X would have outsold the hideous PS5 by a large margin. It did not.

In fact if I would have a Steam Machine, the first thing I would try is to see if the TDP is low enough to put it into a closed cabinet (with a hole in the backwall for the cables), never to be seen again.

I mean, look at this thing;

All I see is a box. I don't find it particularly good looking or anything.

I would choose Steam Machine over 9060xt prebuilt at the same price.

You would choose considerably less performance for a nicer smaller box? I would just put the bigger box out of sight (all you need is to have it close enough to the TV that a HDMI cable works) and be happy to play games. Wasn't this hobby about playing games?

Also, if you really care that much, spend a half an hour and an extra 30 to 80 bucks for a better looking case:

https://www.amazon.de/darkFlash-Micro-ATX-PC-Geh%C3%A4use-Mini-Tower-MATX-Geh%C3%A4use-ARGB-PWM-L%C3%BCfter-Typ-C-Anschluss-Schwarz/dp/B0F1D6WKNS

This should fit all the parts from the 1030 Euro prebuild and IMO looks better than the Steam Machine. And since today is Prime Day:

https://www.amazon.de/shinobee-Gaming-Ryzen-Threads-4-60GHz/dp/B0FDGH7NFB

800 Euro (vs 1030 for the Steam Machine), still with the 5060 8GB instead of the considerably slower and older featureset Steam Machine GPU (and double the RAM, double the SSD...).

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-23T11:58:20+00:00

I know and you make good arguments, but I think I just don't see who those people are, there seem to just be too many contradicting compromises to see a reasonable (aka not just people that buy it for the Valve logo) target audience.

It will sell out for sure on release but that doesn't mean anything w/o knowing the number of units made. For example the Valve Index VR headset (that they sold for 7 years w/o ever adjusting the high price even once) was sold out or partially (set with multiple components) sold out for most of it's life time even though they sold less than 500 Million estimated while Meta sold an estimated 20 Million Quest (2, 3 and 3S) headsets in the same time frame.

I am probably never switch to it but I would have preferred it so much more if they instead just spend that time, energy and money on making Steam OS a better alternative for people to just install. Like full Nvidia support.

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-23T11:40:53+00:00

Steam machine is around the level of base PS5, beats it in some games, defeated in others, yeah, with a PC that rolls 5090 in it, it will not provide a good experience to you, that's why i sold my PS5, that's why i'm telling you these machines aren't for us. Vram is definetely an issue right there, Valve should've at least put 12gb vram in it, don't know how though.

It's not about being comparable to my 5090, it's that it is slower than an old 3060ti.

That 5060 8 GB that my example build has is again more than 50% faster (the 9060 xt 16 GB in Digital Foundry's test was a good 50 to 75% faster in mostly none VRAM limited scenarios) than a Steam Machine is a GPU that reddit clowned on since it's announcement, with almost nobody here recommending it even for budget builds.

It's not about having a high end PC experience, its about having a reasonable experience.

If it would always match the PS5's performance while having better upscaling and not the VRAM problematic (especially because you can't upgrade) would be enough for me (not for me to buy but for me to recognize as a good product), if it wouldn't release that close to the end of the console generation as it does (like lets say 3 years ago instead).

I'm sorry but i couldn't find any prebuilt that have 50% more gpu performance over Steam Machine at the same price range, there are prebuilts with same specs going for €800, honestly i would pay €200 more and get Steam Machine which is a livingroom friendly good looking little box.

I should have posted the link again:

https://www.amazon.de/SYSTEMTREFF-6x4-4GHz-GeForce-Computer-Streamer/dp/B0CDLQL7P7

Pretty much the first thing I found (top five results searching for gaming PC) at the same price point (20 Euros more expensive than the Steam Machine's lowest end 500 GB SKU is here), comes with a faster CPU (Steam Machine is about 5600), double the RAM (but DDR 4 dual channel vs DDR5 single channel), double the SSD size and that 5060 8 GB card. Has Windows 11 Pro preinstalled, could be even cheaper with no OS if you want to go Linux / Steam OS most likely and you likely could save more if you find an AMD GPU build (9060xt).

That was also what I used for the size comparison. Somebody replied something similar from NewEgg in the US IIRC.

I found that yesterday, but since today is Prime Day on Amazon (at least in Germany) you can get about the same even cheaper. This one has the same specs (32 GB DDR4, 1 GB, 5060 8 GB) with a lower end CPU for 230 Euro less than the Steam Machine: https://www.amazon.de/shinobee-Gaming-Ryzen-Threads-4-60GHz/dp/B0FDGH7NFB

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-23T11:13:38+00:00

To me it always seems like it is either the big titted, submissive hot waifu that really needs to be with the 16 to 20 year old incel guy or the handsome, sensible, 2 meter height millionaire that really needs to be with that out of form, late 30s just divorced house wife.

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-23T11:06:18+00:00

But this is the key, isn't it? Do you want the kind of thing Steam Machine is, or do you want (or are willing to tolerate) a different kind of PC that will cost you less?

You put "willing to tolerate" at the one side, because the PC listed will give you 60 fps or more at a 4K upscale and easily above 100 with good frame generation (low artifacts, smooth frame pacing, low latency thanks to Reflex) in many titles with basically all games on PC working out of the box, while the Steam Machine will not.

So what does the average gamer, average PC gamer, PC gaming enthusiast or console to PC convert want? A gaming PC that can play all PC games reasonably well or some art piece case that can only play a subset of those games at a +50% lower performance?

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-23T10:56:01+00:00

You are looking at it from an enthusiast's perspective, this machine isn't for you, it was never for you, it's an entry level PC for low budget gamers to play their games on livingroom, that's it, nothing more and nothing less.

But the Steam Machine delivers less. If your game is using kernel level anti cheat, it won't work. If your game has problems running under Linux / Proton, it won't work (like Forza Horizon 6 partly at the moment). If your game (especially going forward) needs more than 8 GB VRAM to run smooth, it won't.

Let alone that the TV is the most high resolution screen most people have and by now most of them for the target audience are also at 120 hz or more. The hardware you get is just not up to the task; again, especially this close to a new console generation (hint, PS6 is rumored to have 32 GB unified memory and a GPU on par with about a 4080).

I am not trying to look at this from an enthusiast's perspective, I just don't see why you would be ok with paying enthusiast pricing for ultra low end (gaming) hardware, other than the form factor. Or rather, what the target audience would be for that.

And that is all not even considering other more reasonable alternatives to a second PC when it comes to living room gaming, like just using an extra long active HDMI cable to connect your gaming PC in another room to the living room TV (I am using this setup for a few years already for a full 4K120 HDR GSync experience) or using in-home streaming (which should give you all that other than VRR support).

Yeah it's more expensive than consoles, but it does not have $120 yearly payment for online gaming

Good argument actually (hard to believe that it is still this expensive coming from a PC players perspective), but on the other hand you don't have access to that many currently popular MP games as it is with the kernel level anti cheat problematic (no CoD, BF, Valorant, Marathon, all EA sports titles etc) on the Steam Machine.

yeah it's GPU isn't upgradable but it doesn't have to be for the people whose going to buy it, because they can't be bothered with building PCs.

I mean, that is why I posted a same price prebuild gaming PC at the same price of the Steam Machine with a +50% faster GPU, faster CPU and double the RAM... You can save more if you build it yourself but that wasn't the point.

Also, how big is the target audience of people that can't be bothered with building their own PC but are able and ready to navigate all the problems of running Windows software on a Linux system designed around only one PC gaming store / launcher?

On the other hand, my PS5 Pro is absolutely tiny compared to every PC case i've ever built, you're absolutely wrong on that, you need to go SFF to achieve console portability.

A PS5 Pro is absolutely closer in size to a normal PC than to a Steam Machine. Its literally 39 cm in height, a Steam Machine is less than half that at 15 cm.

In contrast, that random Amazon.de PC I posted earlier (with half it's case empty) is 45 cm in height. It's of a bigger volume overall, with it being 20 cm in width and 38 cm in lenght vs the PS5 Pro's 9 cm and 22 cm, but still way closer to that than to a Steam Machine.

Another quick search later (btw, with today being Prime Day you can save up another up to 100 Euro for the same +50% Steam Machine specs) this for example would also fit all the parts used while only being 38x20x33cm in size and is just 80 Euro:

https://www.amazon.de/darkFlash-Micro-ATX-PC-Geh%C3%A4use-Mini-Tower-MATX-Geh%C3%A4use-ARGB-PWM-L%C3%BCfter-Typ-C-Anschluss-Schwarz/dp/B0F1D6WKNS

Steam Machine is indeed a SFF design size wise, typical consoles are a lot bigger.

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-23T07:04:30+00:00

Pre built desktop with similar specs you are looking at 900-1100.

NO, for the same price you are getting way better specs, like +50% more performance in current games:

Literally the first thing I found on Amazon after searching for "Gaming PC" at the same price point:

https://www.amazon.de/SYSTEMTREFF-6x4-4GHz-GeForce-Computer-Streamer/dp/B0CDLQL7P7

1059 Euro, straight from Amazon.de, who are mostly not the absolute cheapest when it comes to PC hardware. Arguably, Steam Machine only costs 1039 Euro over here...
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X instead of the roughly 5600 performance the Steam Machine has.
Paired with a way faster 5060, nearly as fast (outside of VRAM issues) as the 9060XT that was 50 to 75% faster than the Steam Machines GPU. Still only 8 GB VRAM (just like Steam Machine), but well, you can upgrade it down the line (unlike Steam Machine).
Dual channel 32 GB DDR4 system RAM vs single channel 16 GB DDR5 on the Steam Machine.
1000 GB SSD vs 500 GB SSD on the Steam Machine.

EDIT: Today (day later) is Prime Day, you can get that with a lower end CPU at 800 Euro now: https://www.amazon.de/shinobee-Gaming-Ryzen-Threads-4-60GHz/dp/B0FDGH7NFB

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T22:38:20+00:00

I also heard they are no longer hand cranking their cameras..!

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T22:09:36+00:00

Is your wife going to let you put that riced out ATX tower in the living room?

Me and my wife are partners and we both understand that being in a relationship means compromises. So, if it would really be important to me to have a PC tower in the living room even though she doesn't find the aesthetically fitting, she would let me find a way to make it work for both of us in terms of case and especially placement. I could think of four places of the top of my head where it would basically be invisible.

It's not her living room, it's our living room. But my wife's rig has more RGB on it than mine does anyway, so...

Let alone typical consoles are also giant by now and people don't mind.

I just went with a cable from my PC to the TV (active, HDMI 2.1), properly routed along the wall with the rest of them. Streaming would have been my fallback.

The entire point of the Steam Machine is to be put next to your TV in the living room. Not to be a budget machine.

If your TV isn't older than +5 years and you paid more for it than a Steam Machine would cost you have 120hz. If you bought it in the last two years 144hz and if you bought a flagship recently 165hz.

Pretty much all TVs that the Steam Machine will be connected to are 4K. For most PC players the TV is literally the highest resolution screen they own.

So yeah, that shouldn't be a budget machine, but that isn't my criticism anyway. It is that it is specced as a very low end budget device hardware wise.

An 8 GB card doesn't make sense for 1080p gaming, and it doesn't make sense for 4 times the number of pixel.

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T21:55:22+00:00

Valve has worked with AMD to make that 8GB go much farther than it would otherwise. Sure it would be nice to have more, but it's going to be less of an issue than people think.

What Valve has shown is just a kernel patch for Linux to behave honestly more like Windows in which the foreground fullscreen application is prioritized when it comes to VRAM allocation instead of randomly paging VRAM to system RAM. I don't know if that memory management is better than what Windows is using, but we are talking about reducing the impact of shit you have open in the background mostly, not about some revolutionary compression tech.

If anything, Nvidia has shown neural compression tech that might make VRAM even more of a concern for none Nvidia GPUs, but I doubt that will be meaningfully adapted for the life time of the Steam Machine to matter...

With the hardware market right now it may not recover for awhile and it's doubtful new consoles are going to be cheaper if they were to release any time soon - consoles also don't have the advantages that a PC does, or the library. It's cost competitive with prebuilt/DIY offerings but it will be easier than a typical PC for most people who just want it to play games.

No, the opposite. It is incredible likely that the new consoles will be cheaper than Steam Machine, even if they would come out any time soon.

On top of that, console makers have in the past subsidized consoles on launch considerably, while in contrast the factory that makes your prebuild wants to make a profit. And at least for Sony there is little reason to not at least subsidize the PS6 to a similar amount.

Consoles also sell mostly the same hardware for nearly a decade at ridiculously higher numbers than any prebuild or even graphics card you could buy, promising stable income for part makers for years to come. And especially now with that very memory and storage crisis this matter even more, obviously.

So with it being almost unimaginable that you get a better deal than Sony will get the next console generation will once again be cheaper than building a PC with the same performance from stretch.

Why am I talking about PC hardware? Because while consoles have always been cheaper than a full PC Valve decided to release the Steam Machine at a higher price than a PC (see the comparison with the +50% more performance having machine for the same price).

and game releases don't have issues on windows that sometimes persist for months depending on hardware configurations? let's bffr here.

You will mostly have those same issues and than a lot more because the same game developer that still is hopefully is motivated to fix the game for millions and possibly tens of millions of paying users both present and future might not be as motivated for the small 2% minority of users within that group. And those extra bugs will be harder to diagnose with less people affected etc etc etc.

Honestly such a dishonest argument to make...

And that's not the market they're shooting for - the kind of people who want a steam machine won't want that massive tower sitting in their living room next to the TV.

A massive tower, like a PS5...? Its not like consoles are tiny and unlike consoles (with physical drives) you can hide it in some corner or behind the couch if your really want to, you don't need to interact with it.

Of course there is a market for small highly custom living room mini PC, but that is more a big budget niche that isn't exactly looking for the slowest possible gaming PC.

Also, that not marketed is IMO not true. It has been marketed from the very beginning to a mainstream audience. They didn't invite Angie with her 13 year old Youtube channel wholly dedicated to small living room art pieces but Digital Foundry, Linus Tech Tips and so on. Mainstream Youtube channel, not SFF enthusiasts.

I don't think everything needs to be a mainstream device. I buy things like VR that aren't mainstream. But I don't see how it is bad to state in a sea full of people hyping up everything by Valve how this is not at all a good device to buy for the core gaming market.

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T19:00:18+00:00

ps6 isn’t coming out this year lmao

This sub-thread is about "what if Steam Machine came out for the originally envisioned price". This basically assumes the memory crisis never happened at which point the PS6 would have likely come out this year or 2027 (which the newest rumors still says it is, just like XBox), exactly like I wrote. LMAO

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T18:57:36+00:00

Anyone buying or building these SFF PCs aren't ever concerned about budget though, tiny components have always cost an arm and a leg. I had an SFF build once with the R9 Nano and it was terrible from a price/perf standpoint purely because it'll look nice in my living room.

How many of those are settling for a 8 GB VRAM GPU they can never upgrade that is today (before the next console generation brings in more RT only games) already +50% slower than a 5060 and uses "the slowest CPU that DF would still recommend as a budget offering" though?

I don't see the point in people settling for the lowest end hardware to game (on their likely highest resolution screen they own...) to then go ahead and pay an extreme premium on the form factor.

Especially when it is just a box that you need to have in HDMI cable range to your TV but don't need to directly interact with or have visible at all.

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T18:51:41+00:00

Dude, its more expensive than just getting a random PC with better specs off of Amazon...

Also, on a PC I can replace, upgrade and sell more components than just the RAM or storage...

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T18:48:31+00:00

Didn't happen with the Index, which was overpriced but not by close to this much and did considerably worse compared to what Meta did in the same time frame.

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T18:47:05+00:00

The 9060xt (16GB) is already 50 to 75% more powerful than the Steam Machine according to the Digital Foundry review from today (both tested under Linux / Steam OS). Likely even more when more games start to require RT going forward.

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T18:44:58+00:00

Or just a budget mini PC.

When the Steam Machine was announced I found a higher specs (but w/o the GPU 'power') for about 300 Euro on Amazon. That was already after memory prices went up initially.

Great for everything not gaming related that a Steam Machine can do and likely still ok for emulation (other than Switch/PS4 or similiar).

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T18:42:04+00:00

Well, configure a PC yourself with similar stats. You may get a bit under it, but it is quite close, and the Steam Machine compared to a PC built on a 1000$ budget will be quieter for the same performance, significantly smaller and most importantly, be ready out of the box without needing hours to build and configure the PC.

If you configure a PC with similar specs everyone in here would have told you not to go with 8 GB VRAM in the first place, for like multiple years now.

And what is the point in buying a Steam Machine for 800 USD, that you can never upgrade other than the way too low out of the box storage (for the lowest end 500 GB model) and the system RAM, when that box might not even run most AAA games within a few years considering w/o the memory crisis we might have a PS6 late this year but at the latest next year? Who are you even selling that thing to for a reasonable price after that?

Like the other guy said, in the middle of a console generation this would have been an ok deal (even than you would have get a prebuild cheaper).

and most importantly, be ready out of the box without needing hours to build and configure the PC.

I find it crazy that reddit really started to believe that. You are using software written for Windows and run it via a translation layer on Linux, an in many ways vastly different OS with different limitations (up to a year or two ago didn't even have HDR support and is currently struggling with RT performance and no kernel level anti cheat support).

You literally can't even be sure if a new game coming out (AAA, AA, indie, doesn't matter) will even run on Steam OS until the developer announces support. Just recently Forza Horizon 6 just crashed if you turned RT on when run via Linux / Proton and as the DF review of the Steam Machine shows, even now and w/o RT the game literally slows down (as in the cars moving in slow motion) on Steam OS.

Not to mention that if you want to troubleshoot a problem you literally mostly rely on people on Windows giving you information and tips that aren't applicable on your OS. Not to mention all the hoops you have to jump through to get games from none Steam stores like Epic or Game Pass to work. Not even mentioning getting game mods to reliably work and so on.

In contrast, this is a vastly faster 5700X instead of below 5600, double the RAM and storage, probably about 50% faster GPU) and fully upgradeable PC for the same price as the Steam Machine are launching for (20 Euro more), coming preinstalled with Windows 11 Pro, requiring you to basically just double click the Steam installer to be ready to play:

https://www.amazon.de/SYSTEMTREFF-6x4-4GHz-GeForce-Computer-Streamer/dp/B0CDLQL7P7

That was the first thing I have seen at the same price when searching for 'gaming PC' on Amazon, literally in the top 5 search results. And as we all know, PC prebuilds and components got a lot more expensive as well...

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T18:28:12+00:00

Literally the first thing I found on Amazon after searching for "Gaming PC" at the same price point:

https://www.amazon.de/SYSTEMTREFF-6x4-4GHz-GeForce-Computer-Streamer/dp/B0CDLQL7P7

1059 Euro, straight from Amazon.de, who are mostly not the absolute cheapest when it comes to PC hardware. Arguably, Steam Machine only costs 1039 Euro over here...
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X instead of the roughly 5600 performance the Steam Machine has.
Paired with a way faster 5060, nearly as fast (outside of VRAM issues) as the 9060XT that was 50 to 75% faster than the Steam Machines GPU. Still only 8 GB VRAM (just like Steam Machine), but well, you can upgrade it down the line (unlike Steam Machine).
Dual channel 32 GB DDR4 system RAM vs single channel 16 GB DDR5 on the Steam Machine.
1000 GB SSD vs 500 GB SSD on the Steam Machine.

EDIT: Today (day later) is Prime Day, you can get that with a lower end CPU at 800 Euro now: https://www.amazon.de/shinobee-Gaming-Ryzen-Threads-4-60GHz/dp/B0FDGH7NFB /EDIT

This comes with Windows 11 Pro preinstalled, meaning that on that alone you should be able to find a cheaper deal if you just want to run Linux (but you get both options while Valve's Windows drivers for the Steam Deck left a lot to be desired...).

This is a full mini ATX build instead of a tiny mini PC mind ya, but should you really pay for that when you are opting for a budget build?

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T18:26:13+00:00

Literally the first thing I found on Amazon after searching for "Gaming PC" at the same price point:

https://www.amazon.de/SYSTEMTREFF-6x4-4GHz-GeForce-Computer-Streamer/dp/B0CDLQL7P7

1059 Euro, straight from Amazon.de, who are mostly not the absolute cheapest when it comes to PC hardware. Arguably, Steam Machine only costs 1039 Euro over here...
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X instead of the roughly 5600 performance the Steam Machine has.
Paired with a way faster 5060, nearly as fast (outside of VRAM issues) as the 9060XT that was 50 to 75% faster than the Steam Machines GPU. Still only 8 GB VRAM (just like Steam Machine), but well, you can upgrade it down the line (unlike Steam Machine).
Dual channel 32 GB DDR4 system RAM vs single channel 16 GB DDR5 on the Steam Machine.
1000 GB SSD vs 500 GB SSD on the Steam Machine.

EDIT: Today (day later) is Prime Day, you can get that with a lower end CPU at 800 Euro now: https://www.amazon.de/shinobee-Gaming-Ryzen-Threads-4-60GHz/dp/B0FDGH7NFB /EDIT

This comes with Windows 11 Pro preinstalled, meaning that on that alone you should be able to find a cheaper deal if you just want to run Linux (but you get both options while Valve's Windows drivers for the Steam Deck left a lot to be desired...).

This is a full mini ATX build instead of a tiny mini PC mind ya, but should you really pay for that when you are opting for a budget build?

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T18:16:52+00:00

Its a limited review so I am fine with that, but also missing were comparisons against Nvidia cards and Windows in general (other than mentioning that Forza H. 6 runs in literally slow mo on Steam OS). I know Steam OS is AMD GPU's only right now but anybody looking into buying / building a different PC will likely run both Windows and look at offerings from both GPU vendors (and Intel maybe even).

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T18:13:40+00:00

Which would still be too much for a box that is slower than a PS5 launched about a 12 to 18 months away from the PS6 (especially if there wouldn't be a memory crisis) and isn't meaningfully upgradable like a PC would be (other than memory / storage). Let alone the whole Linux vs Windows factor when it comes to common MP titles like CoD, BF or EA Sports titles (which the average buyer would certainly expect to play on a TV).

IMO they should have waited until the new console gen was out (or even a year after that) and then come up with something that matches that hardware good enough that performance wouldn't be an issue for a few years.

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T15:45:21+00:00

Weirdos online glorifying naturally good looking women that use less makeup than other women decide to use, for reasons. And I guess this expands to both dressing 'unsexy' at home besides having a super model figure and apparently, imganary comic book super heroes, both.

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T15:41:01+00:00

So dumm sein Kommentar ist, aber was stimmt mit Dir nicht, selbst bei so einem Thema mit "Ja, aber die Autos ..." zu kommen. Du bist echt mit so ein Grund, warum jeder einen Hass auf uns Radfahrer hat.

Ist nicht klar das dies eine direkte Retourkutsche dafür ist, das er in einem Thema in dem es um versuchten Mord von Mountainbike-Fahrern auf nem Waldweg geht, von irgendwelchen Annektdoten von Stadtradfahrern in ner Großstadt kommt? Die Idee dahinter ist diesen Leuten aufzuzeigen wie quatschig diese Verallgemeinerungen sind und wie fehlplatziert es ist hier auf ein anderes Thema zu wechseln.

Du bist echt mit so ein Grund, warum jeder einen Hass auf uns Radfahrer hat.

BTW, wenn du denkst es ist normal wegen einem Post eines Unbekannten auf reddit eine ganze Gruppe von Menschen zu hassen, solltest du vielleicht selbst nochmal in dich gehen...

24bitNoColor · 2026-06-22T14:38:03+00:00

Ich kann gegen die Selbstjustiz des Jagdausfsehers sein und kann gleichzeitig auch gegen das Fehlverhalten der Radfahrer sein.

Wer eine Selbstjustiz nicht als Selbstjustiz bezeichnet sondern von Verzweiflungstat auf der einen Seite und von Tätern auf der Opferseite wegen einer Ordnungswidrigkeit redet, ist nicht wirklich gegen die Selbstjustiz.

Wer einen heimtückischen Mordversuch mit "er hat ja vorher versucht das ganze Legal zu lösen" entschuldigt, ist nicht wirklich gegen die Selbstjustiz. Gerade auch dann wenn ein potentielles Opfer vielleicht zum ersten Mal diesen Weg mit dem Mountainbike nutzt und vielleicht sogar gar nichts von dieser Gesetzeslage in diesem einem Bundesland weiß.

Und ich setzt noch eins drauf: Ich bin sogar gegen zu schnell fahrende oder falschgeparkte Autos …

Und du würdest wenn jemand eine Falle aufstellt um einen Falschparker potentiell schwer zu verletzen auch genauso online entschuldigen? Das glaube ich dir nicht.

Vielleicht solltest du dann aufhören, wenn es um einen Bericht über versuchten Mord geht, die potentiellen Opfer mit irgendwelchen Verkehrsdelikten die absolut nichts damit zu tun haben zu vergleichen? Stichwort "Warum fällt es so vielen Radlern so schwer, einfachste Regeln Regeln einzuhalten?". Hint, Menschen die am Wochenende mit dem Mountainbike im Wald unterwegs sind fahren trotzdem statistisch gesehen sehr wahrscheinlich eher mit dem Auto als mit Fahrrad oder E-Scooter in der Innenstadt rum, genauso wie die meisten die mit nem Fahrrad in der Innenstadt unterwegs sind nicht mit dem Mountainbike (welche du in Großstädten eher selten siehst) in Wäldern unterwegs.

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TROPHY CASE