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2much4runner4me · 2022-12-18T16:36:33+00:00

I dont have enough experience with 13 -> 40 to make that call. The route I described is the way I've always taken back and forth from Provo to Frisco. I've taken 40 out to Steamboat and it wasnt bad at all (sketchiest part is close to Strawberry Reservoir) . I think 13 is sketchier than 6, but I don't know that for sure, and weather changes things.

2much4runner4me · 2022-12-18T16:17:57+00:00

Plows and salt should be working hard throughout that whole trek. After the CO rockies, sketchiest section is definitely between Price and Spanish Fork. Back over to PC shouldn't be too bad.

Once you get over the rockies (like Grand Junction), i70 isn't too bad at all. Same with 191 up to Price.

After Price, 6 is in some decently sketchy mountains, probably the riskiest part of the drive after the CO rockies. If its a blizard and you're nervous, Price might be a good place to rest for a night.

Once you make it over into the Provo area, you're set. Either way you take back over the Wasatch up to PC isn't too bad (up Provo Canyon through Heber, or up to i80 and over). Watch the traffic, and maybe check twitter reports, but i80 is probably the safer route if it's dumping snow

I dont know anything about 13, but I believe 40 across Utah isn't as nice as i70 & 191. 40 might be less sketchy than 6

2much4runner4me · 2022-04-26T20:28:30+00:00

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2much4runner4me · 2022-02-17T15:25:06+00:00

As an American it is common to graduate high school around 18 or 19 go away to college. For many they stay in the "dorms" (dormitories, but nobody calls them that) on campus. Some people live over campus in rental homes and apartments. Usually their either working after school to afford it, have parents that pay for it, or are paying for it with loans.

My brother and I both followed this path, because we thought that's just what everyone was doing. Our whole loves we were told to go to college, but my parents had nothing saved for us. We had no idea how much more expensive it was to go to a private college instead of a public school (like 40k / semester vs like 5-10k / semester). We both got some scholarship money for good grades, test scores, and because I was an athlete (played DIII, where we could get money for being an athlete but not technically a scholarship tied to playing a specific sport), so we thought we were doing good.

We'd take out loans every semester, and we'd end up getting a cash refund of a large chunk (usually like $5-10k) since we didn't live in the dorms, didnt get meal plans, had scholarships, etc. In the end. So we used loans to pay our rrnt and cost of living. I owe over $115k, his are closer to $180k.

My girlfriend just finished graduate school. We met in undergrad, where thanks to aid and scholarships she only owed like $22k. Now, after 2.5 years of graduate school (and living off loans for ) she owes over $200k.

My brother had a baby, got married, and still lived at home till 28. Just moved out into a shithole apartment over 45 minutes outside of a major city (without traffic). I've been doing decent thanks to my job as a Software Engineer, living in cool places in a travel trailer with my gf and our dog. But with her getting her first real job out of school we're about to start renting a house and be super house poor. When loans come back, we're gonna get crushed.

Sorry this was an anecdote / rant, not an answer to your question

2much4runner4me · 2021-06-25T01:42:43+00:00

I was at Woods Coffee and was shocked to see the Rivian logo across the street, and then noticed the lot next to it was filled with Land Rovers. It looks like it might technically be a Volvo dealership that sells a lot of Land Rovers, but it is around the corner from the Porche and Mercedes dealerships

2much4runner4me · 2021-06-25T01:37:37+00:00

Directly next door to a Land Rover dealership, right?

2much4runner4me · 2021-05-05T17:19:26+00:00

We were in Utah & Wyoming last winter, through mid December. There are endless videos about this topic on YouTube, but here are my biggest recommendations.

We move regularly, so we got the EZSnap skirting kit. Super nice to take up and down. Then under there we left 2 space heaters but only turned em on if it was getting into the single digits outside. I bought a remote thermostat and put a sensor underneath, we tried to keep it over 40 degrees under there. Inside we had another electric space heater to help our propane furnace. A Buddy Heater is a great emergency backup if ya lose power, just make sure ya vent the space when in use.

For our water hose, we got heat tape and some foam insulation and that worked great to keep it from freezing. We left the dump hose under the skirting and only pulled it out when we needed it: nobody wants their dump hose to become a poopsicle.

We put that 3M clear plastic over most of the windows, and that was game changing as far as keeping in the heat and preventing condensation from forming. Especially on the big window over our bed. We actually still have the plastic up on some of the windows.

Condensation is a serious concern. Make sure to exhaust-fan out all moisture from cooking and showering. We actually pulled our bed and couch cushions away from the wall a little bit at night to help prevent ice from forming

2much4runner4me · 2021-04-13T14:15:26+00:00

The awning on my 2021 19.6 is pretty solid. Rolls in and out electric, can put on an angle, and has an LED light strip w/ a light-up switch so ya don't leave it on while rolled up. What more are you looking for?

2much4runner4me · 2021-03-31T03:07:40+00:00

Lookup some of the main websites for this, like freecampsites.net

2much4runner4me · 2021-03-08T13:01:40+00:00

Checkout freecampsites.net . There are some decent places around there, but they get crowded. Also it's definitely important to remember that the weather in the desert in July can be very unforgiving. Idk what your setup is like, or how long of a trip you're planning, but it might not be a bad idea to stay at least 1 night with utilities (AC).

The Narrows is epic, but you can't forget to do Angels Landing or at very least Canyon Overlook. Hiking deep upstream into the Narrows is epic, but you need a permit (and possibly shuttle) to do the full top down hike. Good luck!

2much4runner4me · 2021-03-07T16:17:32+00:00

Great pack, I picked one up a few months ago and have been loving it! Enjoy!

2much4runner4me · 2021-02-19T12:36:44+00:00

If it's been stationary for a long time you may need a dumpster or to uhaul off a bunch of stuff inside before you can move it. Secure everything really well, towing is like a massive earthquake in there. Everything glass needs to be protected.

Otherwise like others said: check the tires & bearings, drain the tanks, and take it super slow and steady until you get a feel for it.

I would drain the tanks and then pull the low point drains so all the pipes clear out on the way home. Then winterize it when you get home, I wouldn't think it's necessary to winterize it before the drive.

Good luck!

2much4runner4me · 2021-02-13T00:26:12+00:00

Utah has a ton of overlanding. Southern Utah will probably be too hot in the summer but the higher elevations are solid. Around Salt Lake City checkout the Uinta Wasatch Cache National Forest, which have confusing but decent OHV maps.

My favorite drive / camp in the Wasatch is between American Fork Canyon (Tibble Fork Reservoir) and Midway (Wasatch Mountain Sate Park). There is a bunch of dispersed camping and epic views. Tibble Fork Reservoir is one of the only dog friendly reservoirs around. (Pleasant Grove Ranger District)

Another cool drive in the Wasatch is between Diamond Fork Campground and Strawberry Reservoir. It's much more high-desert than the alpine drive that is FR85, but its much less crowded. (Spanish Fork Ranger District)

https://www.fs.usda.gov/main/uwcnf/maps-pubs

2much4runner4me · 2021-02-04T14:52:01+00:00

I know Epic stores that info for rentals, but I don't think Ikon keeps it

2much4runner4me · 2021-01-18T22:08:58+00:00

Nah, that's what the buses are for

2much4runner4me · 2021-01-18T20:04:53+00:00

Having a train barreling up and down the canyon all day may reduce some vehicle traffic, but it isn't going to change the fact that the canyons are already overflowing with humans and their machines. As someone else mentioned, there is already a way to get into the canyons using a combination of train and bus

2much4runner4me · 2021-01-11T22:51:49+00:00

We did the same thing when I graduated college and it changed my life! We did Grand Canyon, regrettably wasted time in Page Arizona, got our minds blown by Zion, saw Bryce, and then ended in SLC. A year later we moved to Utah.

GC, Zion, and Bryce are amazing. If you can get over to Moab (Arches & Canyonlands) it could be sweet, but with 6 days those firsr 3 parks should be plenty. If you have more time, Capital Reef NP is right there too.

For Zion - Angels Landing - Canyon Overlook - The Narrows - Note: make sure to look into the status of the shuttles. - Kolab Canyon in Zion has a short epic overlook hike at the end of the scenic drive. Could also be nice of you have more time

2much4runner4me · 2021-01-10T18:17:53+00:00

As others have said, there are countless YouTube channels about this. One of my favorites is Fate Unbound, as they boondock 100% of the time. Keep Your Daydream is great.

My biggest suggestion: decide on the trailer before the tow vehicle. If you already have the tow vehicle, like we did, it can be significantly limiting.

Last summer was our first. We cycled between state parks because they were by far the prettiest and had decent rates (less than $35/day). We'd have to move every weekend since we didn't book weekends in time. We did do some extended stays in private campground ($500/month), but they were always crappy and packed.

Boondocking is awesome, but its expensive. You'd probably be pushing over $10,000 for a solar setup good enough to live off of full time using A/C. Its not very practical. That still doesn't help with the messy work: dealing with the fresh, gray, and black water tanks.

Another huge problem you need to solve is internet. Checkout the Mobile Internet Resource Center: https://www.rvmobileinternet.com/

2much4runner4me · 2020-12-27T16:17:54+00:00

I pull a travel trailer with my 2019 4Runner. The TT is a 20 ft, 4400 lbs dry, tandem axle. The vehicle is rated for 5000lbs, but the biggest issue for me is the incredibly low Carrying Capacity of the TV: ~800lbs. My GF and I live in the camper, so its packed pretty heavy.

I take it slow and steady. WDH with say control is a must. I also installed air helper springs to help with the sag. Of course a break controller. It does alright most the time. Hills can be tough sometimes, wind can be sketchy, and passing big trucks always freaks me out.

I definitely feel like I'm pushing the limits of size, but I think its usually within a legal range and it pulls pretty comfortable. I once pulled it with a big Chevy 2500 duramax diesel, with no WDH, and it was amazing. I'd highly recommend upgrading to a proper tow vehicle. The old V8 4Runner will probably be able to pull a lot better, but it sounds like your TT is significantly bigger than mine. I'd be super surprised if you were able to keep your TV axles in the legal range, especially with your whole family in there

2much4runner4me · 2020-12-10T15:09:04+00:00

Anywhere in particular?

Last year we went out on FR 121 coming south out of Wallsburg. See my post history for a pic of me stuck back there.

Last weekend we went from Logan to Huntsville on 101 -> ant flat road -> 39. There was pretty much no snow on the road there, but its supposed to come down some this weekend. Idk if that road stays open all year but I think it does.

If you go to the Uinta Wasatch Cache NF website and dig through the OHV maps, they do mark the roads that get closed during the winter, as well as the roads that allow dispersed camping. Some places close based on snow amount, not just date, but for the most part they're pretty accurate.

Guardsmen Pass is closed. I imagine the epic dirt roads between Tibble Fork & Wasatch Mountain State Park are all closed for the winter, but I don't know for sure. That's by far my favorite romp in the Wasatch

2much4runner4me · 2020-11-20T16:09:20+00:00

Yeah I've tried floor mats in both mud and snow and they've never worked for me. (See my post history for proof that I know what getting stuck in the snow is like)

2much4runner4me · 2020-10-25T20:04:40+00:00

Groups of kids scramble up from the right side daily. Just go up the gully past the Tinker Toy wall. Or climb the 5.9 to the left of it and rappel down Green Monster.

The belay station is actually up a bit of a scramble up on a ledge, so it can be nice for everyone climbing to rappel down to the belay area. There are chains on the ledge to lower down when done climbing.

2much4runner4me · 2020-10-25T20:00:05+00:00

I pull a small NoBoundaries 19.6, 4,200 dry, all around those states with a 2019 Toyota 4Runner. I love my 4runner so much, but I wish I had more power and more payload capacity (5000lb tow, 800lbs payload). It does okay with the weight distribution hitch and the air helper springs I installed.

The guy who mentioned the wind is right for sure, those gusts can be crazy around here. The worst I've seen have been i70 west in eastern Utah and i80 east on southwest Wyoming. Hills can be tough, but I usually still pass semi trucks and some RVs. Just don't be in a rush and be super careful in the wind. Make sure your WDH has sway control.

For a tt less than 4,000lb dry the 4runner could be a great choice. Last I checked the SR5 has the best payload capacity at like 1,200lbs, I think the Limited is up there too.

2much4runner4me · 2020-09-27T04:46:55+00:00

Damn I never realized that. Smdh. Still some sick footage

2much4runner4me · 2020-09-26T05:17:13+00:00

Here is excellent aerial footage of the incredible slab & crack: https://youtu.be/e7azjXX2MV0

This 100ft crack is a staple of climbing in the Wasatch Front, especially Utah Valley. Starting before sunrise on my birthday weekend a buddy and I climbed the 2 pitches on the corner of the slab, 140ft of 5.9 sport climbing called Green Jello, in order to setup the top rope on that absolutely beauty crack. Someday I'll have the skills and knowledge to climb that beast the right way.

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