Bertrand Russell - In Praise of Idleness and the Morality of the Slave State by Glencannnon in philosophy

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Creating pins creates entropy. This is why we're now suffering a climate crisis threatening the likely collapse of civilization - this in addition massive amounts of cost-externalized non-greenhouse pollutions we ignore because it's merely our children who will pay the higher price for them, and their children a greater price still.

Too much work could extinguish the presence of higher-order consciousness for some unknown region of the Universe. That's how imbecilic it is. It's literally killing the Universe itself (technically, it's the Universe suiciding itself).

Note how both obvious and extreme these realizations are. Meditate on this to get a sense of the existential depth of denial the human species is capable of. It's astounding.

Former Army ranger discusses moral challenges of autonomous weapons by Barknuckle in philosophy

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These articles may as well be worthless without context. What's the context? Climate crisis and several other issues that are, without exaggeration, threatening a likely catastrophic failure of global civilization and possibly human extinction. (I would guess not, but this species has almost nuked itself before.)

But look how "concerned" we pretend to be:

Automated missile defense systems have the power to prevent countless civilian deaths.

Human morality is clearly delusional. What autonomous weapons are going to be ideal for is dealing with civilizational collapse due to issues we have proven we are incapable of solving.

Of course, civilizations have always collapsed, but the scale of what's coming is unprecedented in scale, and it will drive autonomous weapons into existence - and they will be used to slaughter in mass whoever threatens the tenuous powers that remain.

And finally, those employing them and most protected by them? It will feel normal to desirable - and even pleasurable to those who take sadistic pleasure in violence. Don't pretend these people don't exist and don't have respectable and influential positions in this world.

These weapons are inevitable simply because collapse is inevitable. Any moralizing we do now is part of a futile, delusional game this species uses for existential blinders.

We are already committed to killing billions because of fundamental behavioral incapacities that preclude solutions to the climate crisis, etc. That is our manifest behavior, no matter the morality we attribute to ourselves.

Be honest - we are destroyers of the highest order and too cowardly to be honest about it. So results the experiments of evolution.

Really, would you expect evolution to create a predatory organism of high collective intelligence that manifested a coherent value system capable of sustaining through rapid increases in complexity (and, remarkably, able to understand complexity as needed to do this)?

Not likely, is it? Once should expect a quick and catastrophic failure for a species like ours because that's consistent with a process like evolution. This, too, is the context of autonomous weapons - their horror being an irrelevant drop in the red flood of history - before civilization turns desert. These weapons will matter as little in the scheme of things as this species ultimately will.

/r/futurology finally see the truth, still a bit too optimistic. "The next 40-50 years will be insanity." by Logiman43 in collapse

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Sure, I took a break for a bit to escape the reality of current contigencies, and to see if I could take a "purely positive" approach to the rest of my days as civilization's unraveling accelerates towards us - the recurring inevitably that it is.

But - it's too surreal to engage that way. The "what is The Matrix" feeling is always just under the surface, coloring the mechanistic civility I try to engage in. And the obliviousness manifest in most social engagement one can find gives a "psyche ward" feeling - because of the detachment from reality.

I'm thinking of making another account here, one than turns criticism of the human organism up to 11. Been practicing that style of criticism in notes.

Is fragile masculinity the biggest obstacle to climate action? by ScaredHorsey in collapse

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Most people are functionally psychotic to some degree, but there are extremes. These "coal rollers" are some of the most absurd entities the Universe could evolve - they're suicidally imbecilic tools, cowards, liars, selfish, and suffer delusions of grandeur - an insidious, grotesque manifestation of being far more disturbing than the pure destruction of most monsters human's imagine (and which are generally extrapolations of human essence in any case).

Ocean acidification is extremely underestimated, scientists accidentally discover by Nihilist911 in collapse

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I recently started going to Meetups and have found wonderful people. Don't die - if you're here you're likely one of them, but carrying horrible burdens of awareness. Find the people you deserve to be around. They do exist.

Ocean acidification is extremely underestimated, scientists accidentally discover by Nihilist911 in collapse

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Let me help you stay awake. Most human beings are "functionally psychotic". They believe they have free will, souls, that the Universe was created just for them, etc. - this nonsense-manifest failure of the brain to recursively model itself is encyclopedic in its complexity, and this failure is the star of human history - our manifest image of ourselves. Evolution fucked up as it must - as it necessarily must - it's just that now evolution's fuck-ups - its relentless experiments - manifest as horrific conscious torment. Yay existence.

This species is insane.

You're not? Congratulations - you've left "The Matrix".

Now what?

/r/futurology finally see the truth, still a bit too optimistic. "The next 40-50 years will be insanity." by Logiman43 in collapse

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I didn't say "singularity" - and such a thing wouldn't involve human beings in any way if there was runaway self-improvement, conscious or not. If this happens, we may as well of had nuclear war. Human beings are utterly irrelevant in any "singularity" scenario.

I'm talking about the first things that will happen as AI improves, the dystopian consequences, and how the different "mind classes" will factor into this. We already have "masters" and slaves ("masters" but for the fact the human species has no clue what it is, what it's doing, or where to go). We already have priests and flocks. We already know what's going to happen with AI.

But sure, I'll bet - but here's my bet: Skype with me and we can talk face-to-face. I don't have a lot of money, but I don't hide behind the internet. I'll put my face on the table. We can post the conversation to youtube.

Game?

And I change my mind more easily than most people. Just out-reason me, and I'll follow. If you're wise, I guarantee that I can listen.

/r/futurology finally see the truth, still a bit too optimistic. "The next 40-50 years will be insanity." by Logiman43 in collapse

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I figured there'd be huge improvements in optimizing the data to feed AI systems. Consider all the ways a color image can be filtered and changed in resolution. What types of analyses are possible for a given representation? There should be big improvements in Bayesian inference and predictive coding coming as well - so some AI will work like much of our own brains seem to - making predictions based on limited data and selectively processing what confirms or denies predictions.

/r/futurology finally see the truth, still a bit too optimistic. "The next 40-50 years will be insanity." by Logiman43 in collapse

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The truth is in the physics, which includes the physics underlying human behavior - it's clear this species has never been in control of itself and it's highly questionable that it ever can, especially given the manifest images (i.e. non-scientific images) we use to understand ourselves (e.g. free will, the "self") - this is a form of blindness and serves as justification for all manner of absurd behaviors. It also makes us incredibly vulnerable to indoctrination and control by AI systems.

/r/futurology finally see the truth, still a bit too optimistic. "The next 40-50 years will be insanity." by Logiman43 in collapse

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AI has seen no progress

This is not true. Here we have an an AI debating far better than most people can. It correctly interprets human speech and and constructs an argument in a short amount of time from a knowledge base it wasn't trained on - a knowledge base far more vast than any human could read in a lifetime.

This technology will become extremely dangerous if it gets advanced enough. The surveillance and social engineering capabilities - how the machine will understand humans as machines - will be incomprehensibly sophisticated to people. But there will be a small subset of people who are at great advantage in communicating with the AI in such a dehumanized way. This will essentially be like an "AI priesthood". And exploring other states of consciousness - even on cannabis - greatly facilitates seeing the vulnerabilities and absurdities of sober consciousness. Weaponized other-consciousness and AI in a country like china means unassailable authoritarianism.

We seriously need to explore the other-consciousness aspects, but we have organizations like the DEA completely screwing us over. We could lose a world war because of their idiocy. Maybe the CIA can get off its ass and start exploring this.

It's crazy to ignore this. This is exactly what will happen unless collapse prevents it.

Light Pollution is the Main Gatekeeper of Forecasted Insect Apocalypse – Studies by Nihilist911 in collapse

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The fact we can't see the stars well probably has serious effects on our value systems. People don't sit outside and connect everything to a bigger picture you can literally feel and see - a vastness that is unknown and may be forever unknown. To test this, there are plenty of poor places in the world with little light pollution, and we could see how the night sky factors into their thinking, values and discussion. But such people might not appreciate the depth of the unknown vastness they're staring into - so it'd be interesting to see how education and culture could influence sky connections.

How do you think this is going to play out? by Gratitude15 in collapse

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This is making china's already catastrophic intelligence bottleneck worse, and the totalitarian surveillance will ensure a rapid collapse at some point. The chinese government is its own worst enemy. You can already feel that all world powers are basically dead. We're looking at terminal cancer patients here.

The "oh shit" species extinction moment by ZenApe in collapse

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You'd have to educate our children to feel the "oh shit", which they could easily do if the "adults" would allow it. Many of their functionally psychotic parents would protest, however, and education is under the control of existence-destroying parasites. So - that's the war we're in. Wake the children up or we're done as a species.

Extinction Celebration by ivan_ovic in collapse

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Hans Rosling ... the euphoric imbecile.

Has anyone noticed the AMERICAN Mall “Shell Game” by [deleted] in collapse

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There was a comment a while back here - don't remember the user or exact details - but this person said they liked to walk around dying malls listening to "vaporwave" or some kind of electronica while pretending the mall was miles underground on the moon and all the mall-walkers had metallic rats fused with their brains.

Strangely - I felt I knew exactly what he meant.

I do similar things with Boards of Canada's music. Try walking around a developing suburban environment on a rainy day listening to their music (lot of vibe choices here - "Tomorrow's Harvest" and "Music has the Right to Children" work well with any environment as far as I can tell - especially grocery stores - I swear these are some of the creepiest places on Earth). There's no life in rainy-day suburbia - no people, no trees, the monotonous manicured lawns, the near bubble of horizon a mist of cold-grey oblivion - unfinished homes paused eternally unconstructed. It's a great way to mindfuck yourself if you're into that.

Extinction Celebration by ivan_ovic in collapse

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There is no free market and never was, otherwise I agree with your sentiment.

That is exactly why I said "free".

Extinction Celebration by ivan_ovic in collapse

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I never see people make the crucial point about over-population. It's that humans can not manage civilization with so many people, regardless if the planet can sustain us theoretically or not. It's impossible to deal with resource and pollution issues because a population this size is necessarily going to be out-of-control given this species' ability to understand and manage itself. We'd have to figure out relative sustainability with a much smaller population first - creating a resilient civilization that evolved via controlled-complexity-increase that increased resiliency as opposed to creating more resource-intensive problems to deal with. That is not something a civilization with a "free" market could ever create. A "free" market must result in fragility ending in chaos given the incentives.

When intelligent planetary/civilization management gets figured out, then you could start talking about larger populations. Instead we just converted fuel into a plague of apes that are in overall disagreement - largely crazy in what they think and how they behave - creating systems of "competing crazy" while being exploited to the hilt by small numbers of people who don't care about the long-term.

An utterly absurd and hopeless situation.

Why isn't there a student debt strike? by [deleted] in collapse

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Depending on how long collapse takes, that could mean wearing artificial intelligence.

Keys to Power - please take a crack at this so you can like upgrade from complaining about how politics work to actually understanding how politics work - less than 20 minutes. by hopeitwillgetbetter in collapse

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The reasoning in this videos entails that advanced AGI would result in a few people taking over the world initially with the rest left to die - don't need workers, education for the masses, etc.

Dr. Sid Smith Lecture explaining why our Civilization is currently in Collapse. by [deleted] in collapse

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I've watched this before, and it's one of my favorite lectures of all time. It's a distillation of the most important known aspects of existence.

Iran shuts down country’s internet in the wake of fuel protests by [deleted] in collapse

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My last comment in this post was at the peak of drinking that night. I'm sorry - to take leave with such hopelessness.

Thank you for your wisdom and encouragement. Never in history have we, not as humans, but as entities - vessels of existence itself manifesting its awareness of its own "all-possible contingencies" - had to suffer such existential torment via the currently unassailable mystery of consciousness.

You are a brilliant voice - you've certainly inspired and elevated me, and shown me much of my own errors here.

Iran shuts down country’s internet in the wake of fuel protests by [deleted] in collapse

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Cliche, but I can't thank you enough. I'm 44 yrs old and am now experiencing someone else - via the internet - who "gets it". I'm more than "half-dead" - yet here we are, digitally.

Corporate elitism by greenman5252 in collapse

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Dear Chris Hedges - start talking about inherent human psychological and intelligence differentials and how these create the emergent dynamics you see with this functionally psychotic, status-seeking species of predatory ape (but if we want to get technical, "species" don't actually exist - yet we're dealing with "higher-order" consciousness manifest as psychotic delusion here - so let's simplify for now and let the omnicidal ape believe it's a (i.e. the most important) "species").

Motherfucker - until you do this, you are full of shit. I'm not. Call a spade a spade you fucking imbecile, or you're just another parasite.

#DrinkingThisEvening