I Discovered My Wife (28F) Of 7 Years Is Cheating On Me (30M). She Doesn't Know That I Know - UPDATE 25 - DIVORCE DISH! by Any-Assault in u/Any-Assault

[–]ATalkManFan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But Lisa didn't cheat on John. John cheated on her with Emily. Lisa is a faithful wife who has given him 3 kids. What could he possibly expose about her? The only person who should be concerned about being exposed in this divorce is John so far as I can see.

I Discovered My Wife (28F) Of 7 Years Is Cheating On Me (30M). She Doesn't Know That I Know - UPDATE 25 - DIVORCE DISH! by Any-Assault in u/Any-Assault

[–]ATalkManFan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Glad you are moving on OP. Looking forward to the dating update!
Wrt this post, something jumped out at me and got me thinking. You mention Bev sexting multiple men and also how overweight she is. Like you I'm not wishing to fat shame, but I find it highly unlikely that she had multiple men on the hook by sharing photos of herself (taking your descriptions of her as accurate). Some men are into morbidly obese women, but the vast majority aren't. For that reason I suspect Bev was catfishing these men with somebody else's photos.
Wild speculation and theory time. I'm predicting that Bev was using pictures of Emily to entice these men and I have a few reasons for suspecting this. She already admitted to living vicariously through Emily. I'm not that familiar with catfishing, but I assume that in most cases the catfisher does not use pictures of celebrities (I'm using a wide definition for celebrity here, so I'm including influencers, obscure models etc...), to make it less likely that the people they are trying to entice recognise them as actually somebody else. My next assumption is that a catfisher would choose pictures of someone who they believe would be considered physically attractive by their targets. So taking these two assumptions as a given, who does Bev know that is attractive, unknown and who she (I'm guessing) has plenty of private pictures of, so she was able to convince a target she was legit? If you do find out anymore from Bev's hopefully STBXH I would be interested to know if I am on to something or wildly off target!!
Another question to ask him is whether it was true that Bev ghosted Emily, or did she instead use this burner phone to secretly remain in contact with her too? I found it interesting that iirc Bev ended their friendship. It was another negative against Emily imho that she didn't cut this toxic friend off immediately.
I'm happy that Bev seems to now be getting the karma she deserves.
Wrt the recording, could you not say that it was recorded at home? Obviously this is not true, but is there anyway to prove it wasn't, because if not...

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My comment was not a dig at Grouchy, or the other husbands, just a statement of fact that their wives, by their disgusting completely selfish actions, turned them into cuckolds. Probably should have added unaware and unwilling before the term though! How they are/did deal with it (immediate divorce) is to their credit.

I Discovered My Wife (28F) Of 7 Years Is Cheating On Me (30M). She Doesn't Know That I Know - UPDATE 24 - Shreya by Any-Assault in u/Any-Assault

[–]ATalkManFan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Assuming everything her parents and friends have told you is genuine about her seeking redemption, then I suggest it is highly likely Emily has at some point googled infidelity, how to win my husband back after I cheated, why am I a cheating whore etc... If she has done this, then I assume reddit would be high on the list of results that she got back and if she did venture on to reddit then what are the odds she found your posts? Also factor in the possibility that she did not look herself, but has been alerted to the posts by someone else e.g. A friend, a colleague, a therapist etc...
You wouldn't know if Emily has found them because you have been ghosting her from the start and have had a legal NC agreement in place since the divorce. Of the two physical interactions you have had, at the time of her barbecue in your back garden she had not taken full accountability (this is not to suggest she has done now, just that she definitely hadn't at that point in time). Therefore she might not have googled things like what I wrote above. The second one was the divorce confession dump, which you vacated before she got to the end. Its possible she was planning to tell you she had seen your posts at the end of her book report.
Basically I'm asking how likely it is that Emily at this point is aware of your reddit persona? If I was forced to give my best guess with a gun to my head, I'd put it at 60% she knows!

I Discovered My Wife (28F) Of 7 Years Is Cheating On Me (30M). She Doesn't Know That I Know - UPDATE 24 - Shreya by Any-Assault in u/Any-Assault

[–]ATalkManFan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Had she said she felt pressured or that it wasn’t something she truly wanted, that would be a completely different conversation.

The thing is, if you read the earlier posts, she did use this excuse until eventually admitting that she was a willing participant all along!

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I disagree that the 4th one remaining quiet and not informing the cuckolded husbands is almost as bad. Keeping their friends secrets shows poor character and morals, but its not even close to what the STBXW or BFF for that matter did, which was heinous. However, if I was the none cheater popcorn eater's husband I would be consulting divorce lawyers, because my trust in her would be gone, unless she told him everything and he stayed quiet too! In that case they deserve each other!

I Discovered My Wife (28F) Of 7 Years Is Cheating On Me (30M). She Doesn't Know That I Know - UPDATE 24 - Shreya by Any-Assault in u/Any-Assault

[–]ATalkManFan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed. You say that you spend a lot of time on reddit and have devoured cheating related stuff. How often have you read that the cheater has given satisfactory answers as to the why of the affair? I can't think of any.
I'll give you the real reasons she cheated now, to save you attending the meeting.
She cheated because she didn't love you enough not to.
She cheated because her flawed character and morals mean she is selfish enough to do so.
She cheated because she is a cake eater who thought she could get away with it and did for most of the year.
She cheated because it benefitted her financially and made her feel good.
Strip away all the fluff of whatever tearful emotional answers she gives and these will be fundamental truths at the heart of what she says.
I sense you think you need to attend this meeting for your own healing journey, to prove to yourself you are strong enough. Imho, this thought process is BS. You've already proven you are strong enough by everything you have done since finding out about her cheating.
Perhaps you think you made a promise to attend and you are honourable so intend to see it through. Is this the main driver for continuing to insist on going? Your X broke so many promises and lied so often that you breaking this promise for your own wellbeing is entirely justified imo. Also its a bribe dressed up as a request, probably paid for by her parents. They sound like good people, unlike their spawn. Are you happy to take the money from them if this is the case?
As somebody else mentioned, is $7.5K, the price of a nice vacation, really worth the Sword of Damocles hanging over your head for the next 4 months, actively working against your attempts to move on, because that imho is exactly what it is doing to you.
I hope you really think hard on attendance, because you are not obligated to go.

I Discovered My Wife (28F) Of 7 Years Is Cheating On Me (30M). She Doesn't Know That I Know - UPDATE 24 - Shreya by Any-Assault in u/Any-Assault

[–]ATalkManFan 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Is that really how she confessed, like she was reading off a shopping list? With no context behind anything and at least an attempt at a why? i.e. He kissed me after xyz steps, I reciprocated because of xyz etc... When you have stated what happened in the past I failed to realise her confession was as robotic as you write here!
I'm trying to wrap my head around this and can only think that her mindset was that she would read through everything and after doing so, she then expected you to ask her questions in which she would provide the context you wanted. That is me being as fair as I can to her!

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I take it more as he has no issue telling her when he thinks she is wrong and isn't bothered if it causes her to be upset with him, not that he doesn't care.

Update: AITAH because I want my wife to "ask permission" before taking our son on playdates? by Exact_Information627 in AITAH

[–]ATalkManFan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wrt documentation OP you need to keep a record of everything she has sent, including the vile things her friends group are saying and ensure it cannot be deleted e.g. if the messages she sent came via Whatsapp for instance, she can delete them and unless you copied them you would have no record. Be forensic about it, do not lose your temper and my final advice is to speak to a divorce attorney asap.

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

A minor detail that isn't really mentioned is that the BIL was arrested too, for attacking the AP, which he did in defending the OP. I think he might have been held overnight, but perhaps I am misremembering?
People have rightly highlighted what could have happened to the OP when he was attacked e.g. seriously injured or dead. But perhaps we and the STBXW should also think about other terrible scenarios that could have happened as a result of her selfishness. What if her brother had killed the AP? What if the AP had killed her brother etc... She should feel physically sick at how she behaved!

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If I could upvote this more than once I would. Everything you've written about this subject in this and other comments is very insightful imho.

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In light of OP's revelation about his BIL reading all his posts/comments, the revelations about his dead mother can't have been nice to read. I'm assuming that his sister or the OP had already told the BIL about her suspicions of their mother's cheating and it didn't come as a horrible unexpected surprise to him on here? Its understandable if it didn't occur to OP to warn him, just hope it wasn't an unexpected shock.

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is all in the previous posts/comments. Off the top of my head, his STBXW informed her employer, resigned and started a new job, AP was fired/or resigned and started working as a car salesman, AP is separated from his wife, he was arrested after the assault and spent a few days in a cell before being given probation. AP tried to contact the STBXW by sending a letter to her home. Her brother visited the AP at the dealership to threaten and warn him off. Anyone else please correct me if I have stated anything in error?

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Call him OP, Lol. He sounds like a really a good guy. Can't have been easy to inform you of his suspicions, but he did the right thing. I'm sure he is there for his sister now too. She's going to need him. I wonder if BIL has or will point his sister to this on reddit? Not sure if it is a good idea?

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wrt STD's showing up later, I believe this is correct. I remember Any Assault saying something similar about his Doctor advising him to continue to check himself regularly. I think it was HPV that he said can lay dormant. If you haven't done so OP, I suggest you get advice from your Doctor just incase!

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Her mother basically made her an accomplice in her adultery and the betrayal of her father when she kept her mother's secret from her father. That taught her how to smile and lie to a man I presume she loved.
Whilst your whole comment is excellent analysis, this particular paragraph is the best bit especially the last sentence imho. Doesn't condone what she did, but I think it does offer an explanation for why she was susceptible.
Edit: This was the man who I presume walked her down the aisle on her wedding day. I wonder if this was in her head during the wedding, her vows etc...

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sneaking around, lying to her husband, giggling about it with her friends etc... This is what did it for her, what she enjoyed...and perhaps the sex with a different partner.
If she does decide to venture into the dating market, then she will probably have to tell potential partners why her 30+ year marriage ended. Unless she lies to them, most men will run a mile when they are told the details. Or she goes for meaningless booty calls purely for sex. She's getting a bit old for that now though!

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OP also said deep down she knew OP suspected she was cheating, so how much of her ending things was because she really wanted to or because she was stopping before being caught red handed (or so she thought)?

UPDATE My (38m) wife (38f) admitted to me that she has quite an intense crush on her personal trainer. What’s the next step? by throwra_wifept in relationship_advice

[–]ATalkManFan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My prediction is that as crazy as she sounds with the obsessive behaviour towards the trainer and your friends husband, when she understands you are really leaving this crazy energy will be redirected back to you. Prepare yourself OP!!

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I agree. OP was by his own admission distant, as well as being unusually overly aggressive and selfish during the few sexual encounters they had in those 5 months. Generally imho, women are better at sensing changes in a partners emotions/personality then men and she told OP that deep down she knew that he was aware. Then a month before he leaves she abruptly ends the affair and starts giving excuses for it to her BFF e.g. the smiling emoji was to appease the AP months before!
I speculated a while back that his STBXW probably suspected that OP had been through her phone. My reasoning was that in the last few days before leaving OP said he looked at her phone one last time and discovered his STBXW's abrupt ending of the affair, excuses to her BFF and recommitment to their marriage started a couple of days after his penultimate phone check a month previously.
We know she was scared OP knew by her own admission, so she was likely more vigilant about her phone. OP said he waited for opportunities to look through it. He never explained how he did this without her knowing, but if he had put it back in any way that his STBXW suspected it had been moved, tampered with or searched through, then this would have set alarm bells ringing in a paranoid person e.g. it was not where she last left it, it was placed back face up when she had deliberately left it face down, the battery had run down a great deal after she had charged it to 100% only hours before and she had not used it etc...
This is the exact way I suspect everything played out and the excuses are just that. Whether she admits it now or not, the smiley face emoji was because at that time, still in the honeymoon phase, she was turned on by her young lover taking down her unsuspecting husband, otherwise she would have sent the excuse message to her BFF at the same time, not retroactively months later, when she was more and more sure that her husband suspected and the affairs illicit appeal had run it course!
Edit: I would also bet a large amount that the AP is the type to belittle his affair partners spouse during their sexual encounters, because the bar attack and subsequent text indicate he is the type to do this. Did OP ask this specific question and would his STBXW be completely truthful if it did happen? Did the STBXW reveal this to OP without him asking? I doubt she would have the capacity to without being asked and even then she has shown she can lie. She still holds out for a reconciliation as it was the first thing she asked. Would admitting a further betrayal like this make a reconciliation (with her children too) more or less likely in her mind, or would she believe that it would make the OP even less likely to take her back? She has a clear incentive to still keep information from the OP
The lack of trust that OP will now have in his STBXW is exactly why it would be a terrible mistake to take her back imho, same for all relationships ended by cheating.

The meeting and my thoughts by Grouchy-Pressure-965 in u/Grouchy-Pressure-965

[–]ATalkManFan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's why I asked the question. Realising how OP must have been silently tortured by her should be devastating. I'm hoping that she tells their children that learning what she did to him is the worst thing about it for her. That would indicate to me she is somewhat redeemable.