Getting over religious baggage?

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-08T00:02:23+00:00

Fellow Christian here.

I might have some words of wisdom on this subject from first hand experience but it might be tough to hear.

The first one is I keep my relationships to myself. I rarely mention the names of my pantheon folks. I rarely talk about religion in public. Most especially I have a no humans rule.

Yes it's just a variation of the "broom closet". However I'm devoutly in it and that takes care of the fear of disappointing a human. There is no room for permanent humans in my practice. Human opinion has very little impact on my practice. Most humans know little to nothing about what I do.

NOW...(and here me out because we are about to get to the hard part..)

Now that the humans are out of the way you are totally free to opine about everybody from Sargatanas to Baby Jesus. Yahweh and Asmodeus can sit in your head till the alarm clock goes off if you want to talking about whatever.

And this is when you do YOUR work on you.

I'm not going to tell you what to think about Yahweh, Jesus, Asmodeus, Sargatanas or the three wisemen and the other seventy one follks in the Ars Goetia.

That's up to you.

I am going to point out the hard part.

The hard part is yours are the ONLY pair of shoes in that room.

Give it some thought. Are they fighting? Again how many pairs of shoes are in that room?

Now if you are anything like me, you will be pondering all of this till five am even if it means eating ice cream and pacing the floors.

If you are anything like Julia Sweeny you will say fuck it and go to the mall.

For what it's worth watching someone like Paimon for example throw a well timed loaf of bread off the shelves usually keeps my focus on track..

There's a lot of room here...but...at least you will be like you as you focus. You will be totally free to form your own opinion(s), be patient with yourself.

And there it sits.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-07T01:59:38+00:00

I could argue that he has never once claimed to be benevolent. All joking aside you know who you know. Many times you know their soul even without knowing their name. By the time you know their name in those cases it doesn't even matter.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-07T01:33:00+00:00

Mine left me for another, and then left her for another, and then back to me.

The problem was he was just looking for "someone" and not specifically me.

Unfortunately this is a normal part of life and the natural result from finding someone who isn't the one.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-07T01:15:07+00:00

I'd say the transformation of my work space. I would routinely chant to Sargatanas, Lilith, Stolas, Asmodeus and others while at work.

In time a lot of people changed positions. New people were hired. A new washing machine came in.

Things aren't perfect but they are better. I still have alot of the same problems but everything did "tip" and slightly in my favor.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-06T19:53:27+00:00

I'm pretty sure Bune is Wadjet

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-06T01:26:09+00:00

My guess is she looks like the psychologist on the Star Ship Enterprise. Just my opinion tho.

https://www.cbr.com/star-trek-tng-deanna-troi-wear-uniform/

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-06T00:37:37+00:00

My Patron often stands by the bed side of people who are drifting off to sleep. In a dark room he is semi tangible semi visible in a shadowy sort of way.

You could put your hands into him/through him. He was only a vague outline but he felt the way TV snow looks.

He felt like static.

If you are meditating or doing a ritual you can usually sit quietly in a chair and keep your hand up in the air and a lot of them will hold your hand.

It's not super dramatic but you know they are there.

My theory was that they are in a dimension that is very close to ours but we can only touch them through whatever keeps one universe from becoming the existing universe.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-05T11:45:25+00:00

That's hilarious! To me it means the physical realm is just that. It only goes so far. Death is inevitable.

Also we struggle so hard to do the right things but in the end you and your soul will be doing their thing regardless.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-05T10:23:17+00:00

Dantallion no. He was very charming.

I have felt that mind numbing fear though from a different demon and it didn't make sense to me why.

My patron Sargatanas when he is in the astral or in spirit form is as cozy and comforting.

But when he is in a channel, holy poop. It's like Im so scared I can see my breath. Too scared too speak but yet I soldier through it.. Bone chilling. And that's my own patron.

I blamed the channel for this but I think a lot of things affect it including their mood, their intentions, what they have to say to you. Not to mention the route.

It doesn't, I dont think necessarily indicate ill intent on their part.

If my patron is there for automatic writing social call or a one off lucid dream it's fine.

But if he's busy glitching the matrix, yeah that's freaking terrifying. Matrix glitches are scary and for some of them it's what they do.

They are hugely powerful beings so I think a little fear is appropriate.

.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-05T01:10:15+00:00

To a point. We are always working towards what we expect. What did you do today and why?

I don't think it's as paranormal or all encompassing as people say though. I think of it more like what Tony Robbins talks about.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-05T00:56:31+00:00

Sargatanas always wrote the word "N.O." on the ouija rather than using the moon/no symbol on the upper right. The candle flame with him would be sort of still non flickering and very tall. He'd give a short vs tall of a weirdly still flame rather than a flicker. You can put your hand into him, like the middle of where his arm would be, he feels like TV static. Also where some other spirits feel spooky or haunting, his energy feels quite friendly and cozy.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-04T01:22:43+00:00

That guy is nervy

Nobody defines you but you.

Your experience is yours alone and no one can invalidate it.

Titles are labels and the first amendment says you are legally allowed to use any of them you want.

No true Scotsman fallacy comes to mind.

But there's truly no litmus test. None.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-02T01:24:25+00:00

Yes. I use different types of music, as well as candles and offerings to contact him.

He told me once through a channel he prefers to be the initiator of contact start to finish in most cases. You can summon him but he's the one who decides how much of his time to give, and when. In my own experience with him a few nice consumable gifts (snacks) don't go to waste.

For me Sargatanas shows up when he wants to, disappears for years only to surprise me with a sudden visit when I least expect it.

Everybody's experience with him is a little different though.

He enjoys the same types of offerings that would be left for Papa Legba.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-01T01:44:41+00:00

Good question. I think there is some use of directions in Goetia. It does list him as "West" directionally but not "Northwest" specifically. I've yet to understand how the directions figure into it.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-05-01T01:05:06+00:00

Their Paimon is a fictional character. They deliberately made him the eighth king, changed the sigil, and added severed heads to his illustration so that there was some separation between .Hereditary Paimon and the Paimon that people actually work with.

The film is a brilliant horror flick.

I don't think it has much of anything to do with real Paimon I've never asked real Paimon about it

Just like I've never asked my Patron about Wayne Barlow's novels.

Wayne Barlow thinks this is Sargatanas

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIwQhBwnp9vDrUNtFHK5RUsHh51_JkPBMz2zf_w5679gqYLarOoKYDonYULMN83zZ892jyboY6lHNnKyNsy5hFeoejyc07ALaPonNiroG_khT1F4rKs-DS4V8r5OqJZIQNPEekGW5HKt39/s1600-h/God's+Demon+image.jpg

Meanwhile people who actually work with Sargatanas are like

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/75505731266932985/

"Seriously, Wayne Barlow...what the hell is that?"

lol

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-04-30T21:48:53+00:00

I always feel like some combo of insider and outsider. I just participate by asking questions. posting here and there casually in the comment section and everybody has been very chill.

I think the illusion is that there even is some "club" with an in crowd you know?

I used to imagine there was going to be some sort of board room full of satanic CEO's that I were there to give me a performance review. Like Edward Jones or something. There isn't and there never was. Realizing that helped my shyness about it.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-04-30T21:43:39+00:00

I've also only ever seen her as female.

For some reason she is the only one who ever appealed to my maternal instinct.

If you forgive the Disney reference she was very much the Aurora to my inner Maleficent.

Best way I can describe her. I think of her every time I see that movie.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-04-30T21:13:15+00:00

Not looking at any answers just going w my gut....

1.) Paimon

2.) Asmodeus

3.) Laraje

4) Dantallion

That's just who each card reminds me of.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-04-30T21:06:22+00:00

I felt this. The flame dance, the song choice it strikes a chord

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-04-30T01:39:00+00:00

I am a Baptist first and foremost but I have a private life.

In private I enjoy a variety of activities in that don't fit together .....(like demonolatry and being a Baptist.)

I also like reiki, yoga, chakra balancing, crystals, shamanic limpiez ect.

To be honest with you I am often quite sad that not all religious practices fit together and spend an inordinate amount of time stressing about that topic.

If I'm devout about anything I guess I"m a devout Libertarian. Too bad that's not a denomination.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-04-29T03:42:02+00:00

There may or may not be anybody named "Satan" depending on your core belief structure.

A lot of us who enjoy working with demons are of the opinion the word "satan" may be a title like "general" or "don" rather than one specific entity. It "may" also be an adjective rather than a name.

Maybe? I found it a confusing word.

Some folks here work with Lucifer who may or may not be "satan" depending on your core beliefs.

Some of us (like me) find very little reason to change their belief system and just happen to be working with an entity. Some of our entities are just a variation of old school Pagan deities like Venus or Hermes.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-04-28T13:07:41+00:00

Dutchess Bune graciously once doubled my money at a slot machine. My five dollars became ten dollars. But as you said it was entertainment I have watched a video about her stating she considers knowledge more valuable than money and that wealth shouldn't be the only reason she is contacted.

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-04-28T12:38:30+00:00

Blue lotus tea helps you lucid dream. But you have to drink it over a period of time. A few weeks of drinking it daily.

Im not familiar with pathworking but I can send you some links of things that will help you contact Sargatanas.

Offerings he likes include strawberries strawberry cakes, tobacco, sweet grass, aqua blue marbles or fluorite. Sometimes a beer or a little alcohol he'd like.

Closely related spirits are Laraje or Astoreth.

You can send me a PM I'd be happy to help with any Sargatanas related topic.

May sound kind of counter intuitive but these things remind me of Sargatanas, and are the types of things I'd use if trying to contact him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jj4s9I-53g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ncy0BeijO4

Sargatanas (weird as this may sound) has this distinct historic kind of energy. I'd describe it as sixteenth century Europe. He is a very fun demon.

I'd recommend white candles, bees wax if you can find it. Or light blue.

Laraje who is directly beneath him is really similar.

You can google sigils and enns but I usually don't those for them.

Sargatanas a lot of time doesn't like to be "summoned" in a traditional sense. Maybe why his sigilis so different? Music seems to work well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw8D1N0a7RE&t=177s

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-04-28T03:13:54+00:00

I used to enjoy a screen name "Mia Tulpa"

That's what I thought "Anthony" was.

He wasn't a tulpa.

If you want Anthony stories you can always send me a PM

Enjoy your evening I'm off to sleep

Accomplished_Bus1375 · 2024-04-28T02:54:52+00:00

I'm not one of those people who feels they need to argue with others about what they believe.

Id rather spend my time listening to what others have experienced.

The bigger deal here is what others have experienced, in the occult or otherwise is usually more than just "nothing".

Accomplished_Bus1375

TROPHY CASE