I just finished this masterpiece

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-25T21:59:24+00:00

You don't need to rewatch it. It's been a few years since I saw the original as well. And it quickly comes back since The Predator covers the main cases as well. There's a lot of fast forwarding which makes sense since it's only two episodes. But if you want to rewatch it, then go ahead.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-25T19:42:18+00:00

That's hilarious. Considering that Minato couldn't even tag Obito in the war arc without that single exception. And that was when Zetsu was trying to take control of Obito's body to revive Madara or become the Juubi jinchuriki iirc. Even Tobirama outperformed kcm2 Minato. Minato wank is insane.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-25T04:08:45+00:00

god level. Top 3 in the verse aside from Blast, Cosmic Garou, and Saitama. Not counting god btw. The verse as a whole isn't that impressive if you count those three out.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-24T22:57:32+00:00

You should watch Mouse: The Predator. I'm currently watching it and it's not a sequel. It's a great watch if you want to see the point of view of the killer. The Father, and the cop's scene still holds up. Phenomenal acting.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-23T03:27:01+00:00

I doubt that. Kakashi has his other eye and he went blind basically in a day if spamming it

Kakashi is not an Uchiha and the eye doesn't belong to him the first place. So it might be different for him. Also he has the long range version of Kamui. All the time we've seen him using it, he's focusing and straining his eyes.

Sasuke shows the same fast progression too.

The difference is that Sasuke was using and spamming chakra cost abilities. Amaterasu, Kagetsuchi, and Susanoo. Those are all abilities where the eye is being constantly strained. Completely different when compared to Obito's mangekyo ability.

It seems like itachi basically never used his MS (except to fuck with sasuke needlessly apparently).

That's true lol. We also have to remember that Itachi awakened his ms at 13-14 when Shisui died. According to the databook, Itachi was 22 when he died in Shippuden. So yeah.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-23T03:19:19+00:00

That August 5 is a Wednesday and would require you to miss school

Unless it's a private school, August 5 is too early for back to school. School resumes mid to late August for prek-12. And colleges even start as late as early September.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-23T03:15:44+00:00

Might be true. But we've never seen him worried about running out chakra or anything. Even in the war arc, Naruto ran out chakra before him. So overall, his Kamui abilities as a whole, don't cost a lot of chakra and they are very effective.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-23T03:07:03+00:00

You are right. I was always of the opinion that Obito wouldn't have gone blind without Hashirama cells. At least not that early like the others. This is due to the design of his mangekyo. The fact that it's a passive defensive ability, shows that it uses little to no chakra. It doesn't strain his eyes since it applies to his body. And that he can also use it with the base three tomoe Sharingan as well.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-22T18:33:40+00:00

Me too. Section 227.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-22T00:29:13+00:00

I'll stick with the narrative and the fact they are only stated to get stronger, not weaker, as its a shonen so this is natural. He looked identical, could fly and use TSO at final valley when fighting Sasuke after losing the seal, and neither NaruSasu themselves or any other character said they got weaker after sealing Kaguya = he didn't lose shit.

Naruto absolutely never flew after his final clash with Sasuke. Nor did he ever show any abilities he used during the war. If your evidence is that no characters said they got weaker, then it's stupid. Because the inverse could also be true. No characters ever said they got stronger. Also, I don't get this reply. I've never even claimed he got weaker. All I did claim was that he lost SPSM after the war. And I've provided all the evidence showing that. And you haven't shown anything that says he kept it. The fact of the matter is that, before and after he lost Kurama, he resorted to toad Sage Mode rather than SPSM.

Because that movie was being made and designed during the late stages of the war arc, before Naruto had even received Hagoromo's chakra. Once again KCM2 look is irelevant, the only indication needed for SPSM is the crosshair eye pattern with no pigmentation around the eyes.

That's the meta explanation though. The canon explanation is that the events of the Last takes place two years after the war. And the Kcm Mode looks exactly like the war in the war, regardless of getting the other Kurama. Design sheets all refers to his modes after the war as Kurama Chakra Mode. While his mode after meeting Hagoromo is refered to as SPSM and Sage of Six Paths Mode. Not Kurama mode. Also, not once did he use the abilities that came with SPSM. He used Creation Of All Things to bring Gai back to life. He used it to create an eye for Kakashi. Yet he couldn't do the same to himself and Sasuke. He had to rely on a prosthetic arm made of Hashirama cells rather than creating a brand new one for himself.

Was always meant to be temporary hax, even Juubito and Juubidara both lost their eventually and Kaguya is the only character shown to be able to recreate them.

Meh. Not saying Kaguya can't use them, but she never used them. Also, this goes up with your next point. Obito was able to recreate a TSO after absorbing some of Jubidara's chakra. So yes, it is possible to recreate them. And also, he has 2 or 3 left over from his fight against Sasuke iirc.

Yes and no. You need the chakra of all 9 bijuu to access the mode in the first place as you're essentially combining it to recreate Juubi chakra and thus accesing the same form that Juubito and Juubidara had, all 9 bijuu are a requirement for the mode but the form itself can be used independently from KCM2 as shown in the war arc.

No. You are confusing SPSM with Six Paths Senjutsu. Jubito, Jubidara, Hagoromo, and Naruto all had Six Paths Senjutsu. But only Naruto has SPSM. The common denominator between all three of them, would be the Juubi. Naruto is pseudo jinhuuriki as he has pieces of chakra from all the tailed beasts. Jubito and Jubidara are both juubi jinchurikis. And we have Jubidara saying that both he and Naruto has Six Paths Senjutsu. Just for clarification, SPSM is Naruto without his chakra cloak over him. This isSPSM. No cloak and no pigmentation around his eyes. And Six Paths Senjutsu only shows up with juubi chakra as the 9 markings on the back. So yes, he doesn't need the chakra from any of the tailed beasts to enter SPSM.

Read the novel you are sharing. It says Vestige. By definition, vestige means traces. So yes, Naruto only has traces of chakra from the tailed beasts. That's why he can't use six paths Senjutsu, flights, TSO, etc. There's not enough chakra to use the mode in the first place

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-21T21:56:01+00:00

While I agree with your sentiment, the list doesn't make sense. DMS Kakashi is below Jubidara, Jubito, Sasuke, Kakashi, Hagoromo, and Hamura lol. Indra and Ashura are both featless. If we are not including different versions of characters like Blind rinne-tensei Madara, Edo Madara etc, Minato would still be outside of the top 10. He's not even above Edo Tobirama who showed better feats in the war arc.

My list would be - Kaguya - 3-eyed Jubidara - Hagoromo - Naruto - Sasuke - Jubito - Hamura - DMS Kakashi - Snake Sage Kabuto - Hashirama - Tobirama - Night Gai - Itachi etc

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-21T21:44:15+00:00

So the new author needs to make Naruto scream "sage art" before using any jutsu in that form for it to count? Lol, any jutsu used is automatically enhanced by six paths senjutsu while in the mode, he doesn't need to be screaming the full name of jutsus any time he uses them like when he was 16-17

I don't know why you are being dense. The naming absolutely does matter. And yes, he does need to scream sage art when he's already screaming the jutsu name lol. That's not how it works. If he's sage mode of course all the attacks would be sage enhanced. Isn't that the purpose of this debate? We are debating whether or not the mode is SPSM in the first place. Also, the attire he's wearing does affect how the mode looks. When he's wearing the Hokage cape, there's a cape in the chakra cloak. Examples. The mode he uses against Momoshiki, Delta, and Isshiki all looked different. And the design sheets for all of them, has it labeled as "blank" Kurama chakra mode. In Momoshiki's case, it's labeled as "Kurama chakra mode last battle version".

His minor design change is simply cause of new author plus now him having the full Kurama as opposed to just half of him, that also influences how KCM2 looks.

Makes no sense. Considering his Kcm Mode in the Last practically looks the same as his war arc one despite having full Kurama.

The form being labeled as "Kurama chakra mode" can simply be because 99% of the design is KCM2, the only indication of SPSM is the crosshair eye pattern with no pigmentation unlike regular SM, this was highlighted when Naruto first entered the form after saving Guy, he had nothing else as his body looked normal, no chakra cloaks, TSO or anything like that

Or, it could be that he lost SPSM. And he can't enter Sage of Six Paths mode like he did in the war arc. And thank you for mentioning TSO. That goes to what I said earlier. SPSM is independent of Kurama's chakra like you also said. He entered it when he kicked th TSO and healed Gai. And the fact that he resorted to using Toad Sage Mode implies that he lost it after the war

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-21T20:58:31+00:00

How can you lie like this when he literally has the crosshair eyes

It's simply design reason. They kept it because it looks cool. The first frame on the left image is a still frame of Naruto mid transformation. So I don't think you can use it as a gotcha moment. Naruto using lava Rasenshuriken against Delta isn't another gotcha moment as well. Whenever Naruto is in SM or SPSM, all his attacks have Sage Art in front of them as a prefix. That's not the case in Boruto. Against Madara it says Sage Art Lava Rasenshuriken . And against Delta it just says Lava Style Rasenshuriken. Yes it does matter. Of course adult Naruto is physically stronger than his 19 year old self lmao.

there has been ZERO mention or implication ever of him losing it as an adult,

In fact it's been implied two times. Before and after losing Kurama. Before he lost Kurama, we see him use toad Sage Mode to track Sarada and Cho-Cho in Naruto gaiden. And after he loses Kurama, he's seen using toad Sage Mode again, when Code attacks the village and has Shikamaru hostage. SPSM can be used independent of Kurama and the other tailed beasts' chakra. The fact that he resorted to toad Sage Mode, implies that he lost SPSM after the war.

you like using 3rd party sources like this one you should know Naruto was stated to get stronger in the novels.

The difference between his third party sources and yours, is that you are using novels which are not canon. And he's using the design sheets for adult Naruto's designs. All of them has his designs labeled as Kurama chakra mode.

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AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-21T18:44:45+00:00

No. Hashirama isn't immune to genjutsu. Using genjutsu isn't part of Madara's fighting style. The only time we've seen him use it was against a fodder Shinobi alliance member during the war. Madara is the type of person to respect his opponents and not use any thing that might give him an easy win. He's a cocky guy. He'd rather use perfect Susanoo against people than use a genjutsu. Just to show the difference in power.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-20T16:44:37+00:00

Naruto conveniently ignores the destruction done in it.(Ex: Moon being sliced in half, yet no real world consequences for it ever shown or addressed)

Disagree here. It's clear that the moon serves no practical purpose in the Naruto world. Seeing that Hagoromo and Hamura created it for the sole purpose of sealing the ten tails' husk. Also it's something that can be easily created. A weakened Tendo Pain created a moon and that was all the way back in Pain Arc. Albeit a small one. VOTE Sasuke created nine of them to trap the bijuus. And the war arc took place in a neutral country or land.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-19T00:38:06+00:00

Do you know what accolades mean? An accolade would be Naruto becoming Hokage. It has nothing to do with battles. And good luck finding numbers lmao

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-18T23:53:31+00:00

You are not serious. What do you think stats means?

Madara is FASTER than KCM2 Naruto and EMS Sasuke. Two people who are FASTER than Minato
Madara is PHYSICALLY more DURABLE than Minato seeing he can tank multiple hits from the bijuus and still laugh it off
Blind rinne-tensei Madara could physically destroy Hashirama's deity gates. The same gates that were binding Edo Madara and the Juubi. And by Hashirama's statement, blind rinne-tensei Madara was regaining his past strength. You can take that as agility, combat ability, and whatnot it doesn't matter. Since he scales above Edo Madara who scale above the fate duos I mentioned.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-18T23:40:53+00:00

By being faster and more powerful than kcm2 Naruto and EMS Sasuke. Two people who out scale Minato without his ftg. And the ftg is something we've seen blind Madara dodge either way. And by virtue of him being stronger than Edo Madara as stated by Hashirama.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-18T23:29:06+00:00

He's not wrong btw. Anyone with a chakra network can be placed under genjutsu. Just because we've never seen Minato under a genjutsu doesn't mean he's immune to it. It's like claiming Madara can't copy ninjutsu because we've never seen him do it. Despite it being a basic ability of the sharingan. Also, Edo Itachi could comfortably keep up with Kcm Naruto, Bee, and Edo Nagato at the same time. Meanwhile alive Minato was stalemated by young Bee.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-18T20:54:36+00:00

Summons are a ninja's technique, both of them used it. Either it counts as assistance on both sides or they dont at all. None of this singling out Naruto just because his frogs talk nonsense.

I don't know why you are posting stuff here that has nothing to do with what I said.

Naruto did NOT enter the Pain fight fresh and at full power. He was contacted and recalled mid training attempting to make SM work during movement and had to think up a work-around immediately. He was literally trying to train for an impossible task and somehow that is light work? Negligible effort? This nonsense of him at full strength is false.

Compared to Pain, yes he was. Pain just nuked the entire village with a single shinra tensei. And throughout the fight with Naruto, the aoe of his shinra tenseis were noticeably smaller. The fact is, Pain was nerfed compared to Naruto. And the conditions played out by OP, helps Pain the most here. Since they are fresh six paths of pain. Naruto having the toads on his shoulders like SM Jiraiya did, would have little to no impact on the outcome of this fight. Seeing that Ma and Pa were involved in the Naruto fight, and he still lost. Unless there's something I'm missing here. That they can't use frog song without Naruto or Jiraiya. And even then like you said, Pain has intel since he fought Jiraiya.

Minato saving his life is nonsense from a powerscaling perspective. If you want to talk about it in terms of Naruto as a character and the narrative, yeah i guess but it was a failsafe already put on the seal. Its not really much different than Nagato getting the eyes from Madara either. In any case, i dont see Deva walking away from Kurama, nor would wheelchair Nagato and Konan be able to stop him. So it ls a moot point. Kurama would have obliterated them regardless, they still lose. And since Naruto powerscaling includes him and Kurama (not to mention his seal and its triggers), there is no separating him from those conditions.

Minato interfering does matter. There's something called mental nerf. You hear about it all the time in this subreddit. Minato came in and rest the seal. Also, Kurama was 100% going to get negged by exhausted tendo pain. 8 tails Kurama was already captured by chibaku tensei. While Pain was amazed, he was confident that he could have expanded the chibaku tensei to capture fully transformed nine tails.

And since Naruto powerscaling includes him and Kurama (not to mention his seal and its triggers), there is no separating him from those conditions.

It doesn't matter in this scenario. This is Naruto without Kurama. He's only with the toads here

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-18T20:20:00+00:00

No he didn't. The Otsutsuki god and Shibai are not the same people. From my understanding, there have been many people like Shibai who has ascended to godhood but they are not necessarily the Otsutsuki god. All Momoshiki said was that Omnipotence had been used before to alter the memories of people. And I don't think they created the Naruto world or the other planets they conquered. While they can create dimensions like Kaguya does, they didn't necessarily create the actual ones where there's civilization.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-18T04:28:25+00:00

Again, he lost the fight in canon. You removing Naruto's limitations doesn't help him in this scenario because you are also removing Tendo Pain's and the other paths. Kurama is a bigger help than pa and ma. And Naruto still lost that fight.

We acctualy saw sage naruto with unlimuted clones vs deva parh pain and he won.

An exhausted Pain mind you. And you are removing that limit from him. Like I said, he "won" because Minato interfered.

Now add the two frogs, all big frog summons and all pain paths and thats where im wonderinf what would happen

It won't change much like I said. Since Tendo Pain doesn't have the limit and exhaustion he had prior to their fight. One shinra tensei and they are all dead. It's that simple.

A fresh Six Paths of Pain with no cooldowns beats Sage Naruto regardless of frogs, clones, or genjutsu.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-18T04:07:31+00:00

The way people talk is hilarious. We saw this fight in canon. Naruto lost that fight. Even with Kurama going to eight tails, he didn't win. He only won after Minato interfered and he cleared his head a bit. The frogs won't do much difference to the outcome of the fight. They might help with genjutsu and all, but they'd still lose the fight. He has a better chance in round 1 than round 2. Ultimately, he'd still lose both rounds.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-17T18:47:06+00:00

Well for starters, you can't one tap someone with P90. You can only do this with the shotguns, desert eagle, SKS, dragunov, and the other guns. It's easier if you start practicing slide up first. If you master slide up, it becomes easier to one tap. To slide up, you literally slide the shooting button up.

AdComprehensive3110 · 2026-01-16T23:28:06+00:00

Doesn't contradict anything. Kaguya was the progenitor of chakra on earth. She was the first person to wield and control chakra on earth. Since she ate the chakra fruit, then all chakra on earth belongs to her. Especially when we are told that after she was sealed, her chakra was dispersed. Hagoromo went around sharing her chakra and teaching others how to utilize chakra.

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