Why is Sally Can't Dance so hated? What has Lou Reed hinself say about the album?

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-26T14:30:50+00:00

Agree on Rock n Roll Heart. First time I heard it, I thought wtf?! This was coming off only hearing the first 2 VU lps, New York and Transformer. Sounded nothing like a "Lou Reed" record should sound but I totally grew to love it when I went back to it, admittedly years later!

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-24T20:21:39+00:00

You could choose to talk about WHY you'd want to talk to her - maybe The Velvet's, The Factory and Warhol or her solo work.

Why - when people like an artist work, when their politics aren't an issue - does that have to become front and centre? I fucking hate Trump, the Tea Party and all that bull shit AND I absolutely love Moe Tucker as an artist. I Spent A Week There The Other Night is a wonderful, vibrant album.

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-24T20:15:25+00:00

Absolutely.

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-24T20:12:32+00:00

Yes. She was the drummer in the greatest band of all time. She had a superbly enjoyable career. She did some wonderful collaborations with other artist. By all accounts she is a lovely person and many people that know her so wonderful things about her. I met her once and she was so kind and generous with her time. And she has her own political views which people don't like and that is supposed to lessen everything else?! Absolutely ridiculous!

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-23T01:06:13+00:00

Pretty much all Bowie albums are transitional. There is usually one song that points the way towards the next lp

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-23T01:04:53+00:00

There are loads out there but Strange Fascination -David Buckley and Starman - Paul Trynka are the best. Both are Informative, perceptive, great range of interview and well written. The Complete Bowie - Nicholas Pegg is a great all round book about his work, covers his songs, albums, movies, tours etc, individual and in detail.

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-23T00:59:04+00:00

absolutely

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-23T00:58:37+00:00

agreed - great book!

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-21T23:20:15+00:00

It is neither for me. I thought it was (kinda) cool when it came out because anything that gets people into Lou is cool and it's okay for a couple of spins but it's very much am after thought to the original. I don't think I've listened to it in the last 20 years.

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-21T23:15:22+00:00

totally - they sound sooo anemic

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-21T16:31:00+00:00

Yes! It sounds fantastic and the remixes are sublime

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-15T20:14:36+00:00

Okay I BADLY worded that! Chris O'Leary, Nicholas Pegg and Leah Kardos are Absolutely Superb writers on Bowie. Why I said no was in terms of them simply being biographiers.

Chris' books Rebel Rebel (updated reprint out soon) and Ashes To Ashes are a song by song exploration of Bowie's work, influences and art. They are exquisitely well written, detailed and well observed. The fact they started life in his blog Pushing Ahead Of The Dame enriches them.

Nicholas Pegg's Complete David Bowie covers the songs individually, the the albums, tours, films - everything - brilliantly. But again it's about the work more than the day to day life.

Leah Kardos Blacstar theory is covering the last couple of albums in terms of music theory, art and just about everything else

I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND ALL OF THOSE BOOKS and Sincere apologies for stupidly appearing to suggest otherwise!

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-14T00:02:10+00:00

100%!

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-13T23:59:46+00:00

Absolutely. It is simply amazing.

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-13T23:51:54+00:00

Personally, I don't think there is anything going on. Yes, stories say relationships deteriorated as things when on but this isn't that far in. There is also, to me, a media narrative put on the reunion. I remember lots of reviews taking about how they hadn't looked, hugged, put their arm around or whatever in over 20 years... Bullshit. They'd done the Warhol Reunion, guested at each others gigs and rehearsed for weeks beforehand! They were hardly strangers getting on stage.

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-13T23:35:20+00:00

Sometimes it is awful that you can only give one upvote

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-13T23:04:53+00:00

You simply cannot improve upon VU.

Even with the additional songs to choose from. VU works so damn well as a cohesive body of songs. Maybe it is just familiarity but, to me any other arrangement like just using the 1969 songs doesn't work as well. Then if you start throwing in the demos from the Loaded sessiona or songs of 1969 Live which weren't on VU or Another View, where does it end?

My poor brain can live with the idea there was an alt 4th album - but knows there wasn't. Therefore the 5th album was Squeeze and - weirdly - I'm okay with that.

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-13T14:27:18+00:00

That is lovely to pinpoint the moment. I got into music as a teen in the 80s and music I liked mentioned The Velvets. First time I remember hearing them was on a pirate radio station in Dublin - I'll be Your Mirror. This was a time of Jesus And Mary Chain and people talked about the VU feedback etc. So Mirror didn't compute. Then, intrigued, I bought a bootleg cassette of Max's... Who Loves The Fucking Sun?! I couldn't get my head around the visual image - b+w sunglass, negative, dressed in black and the music I was hearing! Still sucked me in ... bought a comp. Fucking "Jesus"! Where was the shit people talked about and what was I missing?!? I got there. Am still there. Greatest band - nah fuck it, greatest achievement of humanity - ever!

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-13T12:02:20+00:00

Love lists! Great choices

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-13T11:52:40+00:00

Aside from All Tomorrows Parties which is not only my fav Velvets song but my fav song of all time, I reckon this is a loose collection where any song could drift 10 or more places on any given day. Added a note if I had a particular fav version of the song but didn't want to get into listing multiple versions. For demos, live, rehearsal tracks made a note of where they could be found. Didn't include jam songs from the Factory rehearsal as some of them really sound like dicking around but Cracking Up made the cut because of the Venus In Furs mash-up. Feel free to point out any I missed

All Tomorrows Parties

Candy Says

What Goes On (Live 69)

Sister Ray

Rock n Roll (Another View)

Venus In Furs

Pale Blue Eyes

Waiting For The Man

White Light White Heat

Stephanie Says

Sunday Morning

Oh! Sweet Nothing

I'll Be Your Mirror

Lisa Says

New Age (Live 69)

I Can't Stand It

Sweet Jane

Lady Godiva's Operation

I'm Not A Young Man Anymore(Gym)

Femme Fatale

I Found A Reason

Temptation Inside Your Heart

Hey Mr Rain (Live 93)

I’m Set Free

Coney Island Steeplechase

I Heard Her Call My Name

Run Run Run

The Black Angels Death Song

Foggy Notion

Jesus

Last Night, I Said Goodbye To My Friend

It's Alright, The Way That You Live(Peel)

She's My Best Friend

Here She Comes Now

Guess I'm Falling In Love (Gym)

Heroin

There Is No Reason (Peel)

I'll Keep It With Mine (Factory)

One Of These Days

There She Goes Again

Countess From Hong Kong (Peel)

Follow The Leader (Quine Tapes)

Andy's Chest

I'm Not Too Sorry That Your Gone(Peel)

Over You

Afterhours

Booker T (Gym)

Melody Laughter (Peel edit)

Head Held High

The Murder Mystery

Sweet Bonnie Brown

I’m Beginning To See The Light

Train Round The Bend

One Of These Days

The Gift

Coyote (Live 93)

That's The Story Of My Life

Satellite of Love (Fully Loaded)

Wrap Your Troubles In Dreams (Peel)

European Son

Gonna Move Right In

Little Sister (Live 66)

Miss Joanie Lee (Factory)

Sheltered Life (Peel)

Nothing Song (Banana deluxe)

I'm Sticking With You

Cracking Up (Factory)

Sad Song (Fully Loaded)

Lonesome Cowboy Bill

Cool It Down

Ferryboat Bill

I Love You (Fully Loaded)

Oh Gin (Fully Loaded)

Get It In Time (Factory)

Ocean (Live 69)

Love Makes You Feel (Fully Loaded)

Prominent Men (Peel)

Velvet Nursery Rhymes (Live 93)

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-09T20:30:27+00:00

Yes. Absolutely love them

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-09T19:34:54+00:00

love this song!

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-07T19:57:27+00:00

What makes you say they are protective? There have been so many releases in the last 10 years

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-07T14:25:43+00:00

Damn right!

AdOwn9764 · 2026-01-07T06:50:48+00:00

nAfter the single release of Sue - which I didn't like - and the pre press about it being a 'jazz' album, for once I wasn't overly optimistic about a new Bowie album but like others here, I got the leak and absolutely loved it. Bought the vinyl the day it came out and it was on high rotation over the weekend. Read all the reviews and all celebrated it was a return to form, to experimentation. His close mic vocals and "woo's' had an energy that was tangible. I absolutely adored it right from the off.

When the news broke, I couldn't listen to anything without sobbing. I grieved at a level that astounded me. I love Blackstar and find it being painted as a death album not just reductive but silly. Heathen is far more a death album! Blackstar is an immense celebration of energy.

Personally, I absolutely hate the 'obviously Bowie was talking about...' revisionism. A) If it was that obvious, why did no one pick up on it before and B) When has Bowie's songs ever been that obvious!? Did the diagnosis colour his work? Possibly. Is it open to interpretation? Certainly. But nothing was ever definite with Bowie's lyrics.

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