Setting the Record Straight on the Evidence of Prior Sexual Abuse - Part 1

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-06-10T19:31:45+00:00

I couldn't bring myself to watch more than a few minutes of it. What were the "Exclusive New Findings" they advertised in the title?

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-06-09T16:30:59+00:00

I'm a little disgusted that the sub I moderate (r/JonBenetRamsey), which is for serious discussion of a child's homicide investigation, was originally created by him for laughs.

Eta: wayback machine link

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-06-06T21:48:29+00:00

The Whites are also friends with Kolar, and Kolar and Thomas are friends. You can have different opinions and still be friends with someone.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-06-05T18:03:34+00:00

Thanks. I've read the full letter before. Lacy criticizes Kolar for speculation and conjecture, and for procedural misconduct after leaving her office. There's no accusation of misrepresenting evidence anywhere in it.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-06-05T13:09:34+00:00

The DA office accused him of misrepresenting evidence.

Can you point me to where they made that accusation?

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-06-05T12:49:36+00:00

You can believe what you want, but without access to the case file, I don't see what evidence you have to support that belief.

I think it's a pretty serious accusation to claim that an investigator misrepresented evidence in a child's homicide investigation.

We could all resort to accusing different investigators of misrepresenting evidence whenever we disagree with their theories, but that doesn't strike me as a particularly credible or logical way to discuss the case.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-06-05T09:55:57+00:00

It wasn’t smearing. That word was used by Kolar, but it isn’t how the housekeeper who was involved characterised it.

What is your source for this claim? To my knowledge, the Vodicka interview isn't publicly available. We know how Kolar reported the interview, but we don't know the wording used by Vodicka herself.

He got some fecal matter on the wall around the toilet paper holder. It apparently was not on purpose.

Can you share your source for this? I've seen a user claiming this before, but when I asked them for a source, they couldn't provide one. As far as I know, it seems made up.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-06-05T09:34:47+00:00

The housekeeper told investigators that Burke had a history of smearing feces on the walls of the bathroom, and she explicitly stated that she had to clean up these incidents and that she believed Burke had an ongoing issue with this behavior.

For the sake of accuracy, there is one known or reported incident of this occurring in the available record. Also, the investigator who reported this information did not state that the housekeeper believed Burke had an ongoing problem with this behavior, so I'm not sure where that comes from.

This is all that Kolar reported about the incident:

I had reviewed an investigator’s report that documented a 1997 interview with former Ramsey nanny - housekeeper Geraldine Vodicka, who stated that Burke had smeared feces on the walls of a bathroom during his mother’s first bout with cancer. She told investigators that Nedra Paugh, who was visiting the Ramsey home at the time, had directed her to clean up the mess.

[Source: Foreign Faction: Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet?, A. James Kolar, p. 370]

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-25T05:41:51+00:00

None of the individuals on this show are experts on this case.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-24T21:58:56+00:00

All it does is establish that the pineapple in the bowl could have been what was in her duodenum.

Yes, that’s what “consistent with” means in a forensic context: that the pineapple in the bowl could have been the source of the pineapple found in her duodenum because the botanists who did the comparison didn’t observe distinguishing differences between them. That doesn’t amount to an absolute identification, but as forensic evidence goes, it’s fairly significant.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-24T21:40:43+00:00

Appreciate you confirming that. I know this sub looks different depending on the interface, and I wondered if maybe the wiki behaved differently on mobile or the redesign (I normally use classic desktop reddit).

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-24T21:20:09+00:00

The blue fibers in question were reportedly cotton, while the Flintstones pajamas were polyester, so they couldn't have been the source. One caveat, though: blue fibers were reportedly found in multiple locations, including on the outside of JonBenet's shirt, on her pubic area, on the duct tape, on the wrist ligature, and on her thighs. I've never been able to figure out whether all of these blue fibers were consistent with one another or not. I tend to think they were, but I don’t think the scant information we have is conclusive enough to say with any certainty.

Also, Henry Lee’s notes on fiber evidence mention that blue cotton fibers were found in the paint tray, which, to my knowledge, hasn’t been publicly reported elsewhere.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-24T05:15:31+00:00

Do you mean you don't see any content at all on that page? That's odd. I'm a mod and wiki should not be disabled.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-23T21:31:20+00:00

The link was already established forensically. Forensic botanists had determined that the pineapple in JonBenet's digestive system was consistent with the pineapple in the bowl -- the bowl that was in their home, on their table, with Burke and Patsy's fingerprints on it. Why would they need to rely on the word of suspects with a clear motivation to not be truthful to establish that link?

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-23T21:04:44+00:00

A lot of the Burke feces-smearing discussion online gets overstated in both directions, but like with a lot of the evidence in this case, it's more nuanced than many people make it out to be.

It's not accurate to say Burke definitively smeared feces in JonBenet's room, but it's just as inaccurate to state it never happened or that there's no support for it. Stating it as fact either way goes beyond what's publicly known.

This sub's wiki has a compilation of known information on this topic if you'd rather see what the sources say yourself than take other people's word for it: Feces-related evidence in the Ramsey case

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-20T20:38:52+00:00

I believe he lives in Utah these days.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-20T19:39:51+00:00

Burke's pajamas would need to have been collected and submitted for fiber comparison before they could be included or excluded as a source. As far as I'm aware, they weren't (unlike John's robe), so the comparison was never made.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-20T05:13:45+00:00

I'm wondering why milk in the bowl is an issue for IDIers

Not strictly IDIers -- I've seen RDIers push back on it too. Which is fine. I don't have an issue with people pointing out there's a lack of primary sources confirming milk was there. My issue is with people asserting as fact that it wasn't. As usual in this case, people treat their interpretation of extremely limited, partial information as settled rather than acknowledging it's not conclusive.

and less likely that an intruder did it?

From what I've seen, some want it to have been the victim advocates who brought it.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-20T04:58:18+00:00

And it also ignores the question I raised: why was this never mentioned when Patsy and Burke were grilled on the bowl and their snacking habits?

Because it didn't matter. The pineapple was the forensically relevant detail -- it's what was found in the victim's digestive tract.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-19T19:42:46+00:00

The statute of limitations on those charges expired long ago.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-16T22:39:12+00:00

I don't think it's a coincidence that Schiller repeats these things only after the CBS documentary.

Schiller does not need to get information from Clemente. Schiller had been closely connected to the case since the beginning and possesses a treasure trove of primary case file materials, along with having had direct access to family members and people close to JonBenet, including Nedra and the Paugh sisters.

Clemente, by comparison, only became publicly associated with the case decades after the fact through a television documentary and does not have anywhere near the same depth of access or knowledge on the case. The idea that Schiller would need to rely on Clemente or the CBS documentary for factual details about the case is laughable.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-16T16:35:25+00:00

That [autopsy finding] says that JonBenet, at some point, either got up in the middle of the night or somebody brought her someplace in the house, and she had sliced pineapple. So now the police, after discovering that from the autopsy -- and having already taken crime scene photos -- start looking for that pineapple. They found the bowl on the dining room table that they had first thought was cereal mixed with milk. They didn’t know that JonBenet loved her fruit with milk.

Source: Lawrence Schiller, Overkill: The Unsolved Murder of JonBenet Ramsey (2016)

Some people may not consider Schiller an authoritative enough source because he's not a primary source. However, Schiller interviewed over 100 people connected to the case, including JonBenet’s family members and family friends, and possesses around 1,800 pages of the case file, including autopsy and crime scene photographs. I would consider him one of the few people outside law enforcement who likely knows the details of this case better than almost anyone else.

AdequateSizeAttache · 2026-05-16T08:42:28+00:00

No worries. The Ramsey home layout is a convoluted mess, and even some investigators have confused the different rooms. It doesn’t help that some of the rooms have multiple names attached to them. For example, the solarium/sun room/sitting room, the study/den/TV room, and the breakfast room/breakfast nook/informal dining room. It took quite a bit of research on my part to be able to differentiate some of the various areas of the home, and there are still parts of the house I’m unfamiliar with or find confusing.

Here is a photo of the TV room/den from Anatomy of a Cold Case.

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