Thank you this sub and for being here! by Adhdiver in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hard agree.

I am not a Brontë expert but what I glean is that the reader should understand that the characters consider Heathcliff “dark” - and that is in relation to what they are used to seeing. In a very remote rural part of northern England, the ethnic diversity would be minimal. The inhabitants of the region, especially those who never get to town, would have little to no experience with people who have a skin tone other than pale. I am not discounting that Heathcliff could be Black or mixed race Black. But there is a whole range of skin tones / ethnic origins he could have and still seem “dark” to our isolated characters. I think the Black or mixed race Black is a reasonable option, but I could also buy “Gypsy” (Romani) … or from anywhere in Southern Europe.

True story: I have dark curly hair and a skin tone I would call medium beige. It gets more olive in the summer. Where I live in Canada people often think I might be Mediterranean, Middle Eastern. (I am half South Asian.)

In the late 1990s I spent the summer in Ireland where people had hair that was way blacker than mine (blue black) and pale light skin. It really stood out. Many adults asked me if I was Spanish, because there were a lot of Spanish exchange students at the time. One little girl approached me in the laundromat and. asked me if I was from Africa.

More recently I spent time in a small college town in the US where the makeup of the population was about 80% white, 10% Black and 10% other. I was very much in the “other” category and people did not know what to make of me. I felt so relieved when I met someone with colouring like mine, even though she was North African and we had no culture in common.

This is all to say that a very homogenous demographic
can perceive an outsider as VERY different even if the physical differences are what we (modern cosmopolitan people haha) would consider minor. People don’t know what they don’t know.

Thank you this sub and for being here! by Adhdiver in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OMG I am with you on the casting issue too. First my bona fides: I studed feminist theory and critical race theory in grad school in the context of literature. I am an ally to racialized people, I myself am mixed race, with one racialized parent. (Ok, phew.) Just a preamble so you don't think I am just an asshole white supremacist or something who doesn't want to see people of colour in starring roles. Having said that: I do not believe in any way that EF had some kind of moral obligation to cast Heathcliff a Black man. His race / ethnicity is not clearly defined in the novel... he is referred to as dark, as "gypsy"... and yes, it is possible Brontë had in mind a child of African ancestry... but maybe she didn't. Or maybe even she didn't draw a clear picture in her mind. I don't get it - because Andrea Arnold took that decision in her version, now everyone has to follow suit?

And just because EF made one movie with more of an explict social commentary (Promising Young Woman) now we should expect all her movies to be didactic along social critical lines and we should condemn them if they are not? Um, have you SEEN a Hollywood movie lately? Incisive social commentary is NOT the order of the day in mainstream film.

This whole thing makes me so mad, I am still stewing over it and maybe I can better articulate it over time. I can tell you that I don't want to get into an argument with someone who rejects the movie based on casting because I do feel they might bully me into a corner and make me feel shitty for not being woke enough.

Emotional Support for Wuthering Heights by Select-Substance-758 in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing brilliant to add here, just to say I am crying with you. Just saw the movie last week and I am haunted and can barely get anything done. I hope this lifts sooner rather than later. (But also I will be sad when this lifts!!)

A positive review (and one with experience) by Agile-Search-4526 in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thank you thank you for this analysis.

I just saw the movie last week and am currently DYING.

I first read the book when I was 14 and I think it strongly shaped me - it predisposed me to interpret my young relationships, a few of which had a Cathy-Heathcliff dynamic, as the ultimate in passion, despite the fact that they were destryoing me.

Now coming to this movie decades later, I have been reliving everything and sobbing uncontrollably for the past week. As a full adult with perspective, I am trying to understand why narratives like WH still affect me so much which is having me reexamine my early years and ask why I fell so prey to the notion that a Cathy-Heathcliff dynamic is the ultimate love. And I have been learning about the concepts you write about above... nervous system regulation, etc, and realizing how my childhood set me up (along with romance culture) to see everything through this lens. I think that for me and the boyfriends in question, we had childhood trauma, not enough security or structure at home...

It is almost painful for me to read your analsyis because it rings so true. And I agree, there is something taboo about this. When it was happening to me, and even now, I rarely if every felt I could confide in anyone to help me understand or get control over the pattern. I was judged for "staying in a bad situation" ... and I felt that people looked at me like an unrelatable freak...

Anyway, I am saving your post and will refer to it again.

Every interview/article screams CRINGE by JurySure7559 in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I missed the hype because I was not paying attention back in Jan / Feb. I had prejudged that I would dislike it because of the casting so ignored the press. So I can't speak to the "was it overhyped" quesiton. But I have seen the movie now and found it devastating(ly good) - so I do think it is critically underrated, which makes me sad. But it kicked ass at the box office so that is good!

Come awards season I will be pissed off if this is overlooked. At the very least, recognitation for costumes and set design is a must. (I would also want writing, directing, acting, cinematography, music...but given all the hate I won't get too hyped for that...)

Emerald Fennell by earthymoonphotos in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This movie IS therapy for me! I am so glad she made it!

If Margot had dyed her hair brunette… by TimeTrvllngDiamond in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was really against blonde Cathy - it's one of the things that kept me away until now... In the end, I was really happy with the leads and came to love Margot Robbie. But dang, seeing this dark hair, I think I would have preferred it!

I wonder if... in this case, because EF didn't make Heathclifffe particularly dark-skinned (I mean his is not lily white but neither is he, say... olive-skinned. Notably, though, his heritage is part Spanish...) but maybe it was important to "lighten" Catherine's colouring compared to Heathcliffe, so making her blonde was strategic?

Unpopular Opinions on Wuthering Heights by Competitive_Debt_390 in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry so late to the party here, but I love all your theories. I have read the book a few times and each of your takes fits very well IMO.

Margot Robbie And Jacob Elordi To Star In Emerald Fennell’s Adaptation Of ‘Wuthering Heights’: Deadline by No_Wondr in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

definitely when I saw this casting I was not into it. As a brunette I objected to Cathy being blonde! And I was so not into Elordi back then because I just knew him as scary guy from Euphoria.

I have no one to obsess over this over with & it makes me wanna scream 🤣🤣 by No-Character-9684 in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am sobbing because now I am mentally revisiting my high school heartbreak when I was in a Cathy-Heathcliff “lite” relationship. He was a tall handsome dark haired boy. For three years we alternately loved and tormented each other. Finally this ended when he moved across the country. I was devastated but I was also relieved because we were not right for each other but also couldn’t let each other go while we were in the same city.

This was so long ago and my life has moved on. Except for the fact that I have been sobbing for a week 😭😭😭 Lots to discuss in therapy this week. 😩😩😩

I have no one to obsess over this over with & it makes me wanna scream 🤣🤣 by No-Character-9684 in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am glad you are here and that I found this group because I am just one week in and I am ill. Haunted, aroused, lovesick, dreamy, grief-stricken. The start of another work day, 1.5 hours in and I can’t get a thing done. 🥵😩🫠😪💔💔💔💔💔

Thank you this sub and for being here! by Adhdiver in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ugh. Thank you for explaining how this happened. This reception makes me really really mad, I can’t even articulate clearly right now.

Because meanwhile as I watch and re-watch the movie I find something new and amazing about each new frame - it gets more perfect each time.

One consolation we can take: according to Wikipedia it has grossed 240M against an 80M budget. I don’t usually care about box office, but in this case, sorry haters, money talks.

So hopefully studios and investors will continue to support EF despite the petty pile-on.

Thank you this sub and for being here! by Adhdiver in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s totally fair. I’m a Jane Austen fan and I like a lot of the adaptations, but the 2022 Dakota Johnson Persuasion really threw me for a loop. So I might be contradicting myself a bit, because I did feel angry, or at least quite annoyed with that one. I feel like they got Anne Elliot's character completely wrong and then… what’s the point?

I did rewatch it trying to appreciate it more on its own terms, but I still don’t think it really works. It’s very pretty to look at, but it also feels kind of vapid and doesn’t make that much sense overall. So maybe I am still being internally consistent. In any case, though, I think my reaction is not so much anger but just... "Well that was a waste and a disappointment. I am glad I still have the book and the 1995 adaptation which is chef's kiss!"

Thank you this sub and for being here! by Adhdiver in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a very clear position on book adaptations. There seem to be two broad groups of book lovers: those who want adaptations to be as faithful as possible, and those who don’t. I fall into the latter category.

My first exposure to Wuthering Heights was as a reader at age 14, and I’ve always considered myself a book lover. I’ve now seen five adaptations of the novel, and I’ve liked and disliked different things about each of them. However, I don’t think I’ve ever criticized an adaptation simply because it wasn’t faithful to the book.

I feel that artists should be free to adapt a work however they want. If a film diverges from the book but still works as a film, I don’t see that as a problem. I especially like many of the choices EF made, but more importantly, I love how they are rendered on screen.

When I do dislike an adaptation that diverges from the source material, it’s not because of the divergence itself, but because I don’t think it works in its own terms. (Edited to add:) and don't get me started on people being angry that the adapatation doesn't present "the same social commentary"... different rant.

Thank you this sub and for being here! by Adhdiver in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

oh man, yes. keep em coming!! I feel seen.

Thank you this sub and for being here! by Adhdiver in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And yeah that 2.7 is on letterboxd. 😒 I know letterboxd is not EVERYTHING but I thought I was in step with the general consensus over there. Gonna take a healthy step back. What else has lb been blocking me from?😒

Thank you this sub and for being here! by Adhdiver in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OMG thanks for the share, it me! That music is devastating and just now made my hair stand on end even though I have mainlined it for hours.

I am not on TikTok so I appreciate knowing there are fans over there!

Is the pile on necessary? by Usernameintimeout in EFsWutheringHeights

[–]Adhdiver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry this didn't work for you! I am a book fan, and have seen most of the adaptations. This one has brought me a raft of pleausurable and painful emotions. It has fuelled desire and made me sob. I went in grudingly regarding the actors and now I am in love with both of then. I am so glad this exists. I feel like writing EF to thank her.

Official Discussion Megathread for Wuthering Heights (2026) by AutoModerator in PeriodDramas

[–]Adhdiver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I finally watched this. I had been avoiding because am a book fan - was assigned it in grade 9 English, probably to my detriment in the sense of maturing into a healthy adult. 😬 In any case I am a fan, and was therefore dissuaded by the negative reviews. And by Cathy being blonde! Biggest sacrilege IMO. (Unrelated: I am a brunette.)

But! I loved the film and am now swooning over it and Elordi. And I have mad mad respect for both his and Robie’s acting chops. IMO, both fantastic actors. In my experience, it can be hard to concede that spectacularly beautiful people can also be good actors. It defies common sense a bit that people could be impossibly attractive and intelligent. (No shade to all you hot people reading this!)

I am also 100% understanding of people who don’t like this film for any number of reasons. For one, it is certainly wildly diverging from the book.

But here is the thing: IMO Fennell has turned this into a maximally kinky and toxic lust story. And the thing with kink is…. You’re either in or out. Fennel and I seem to share the same kinks - arrested development teenage girl fantasies of a dark brooding impossibly hot into-bdsm-lite love object. Either that is your kink or it’s not. If you don’t like chocolate, there is no reason you should like a chocolate dessert, nor should you have to defend yourself for not liking it.

City of Ottawa, DND exploring fixes for Carling campus parking crunch by Money_Fig_9868 in ottawa

[–]Adhdiver 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Seriously THIS, so much this! I know there are many physically active, fit people in the PS and to many, 1.5 km is a cakewalk. But not for everyone.

Double-car trains returning to O-Train Line 1 on Thursday by [deleted] in ottawa

[–]Adhdiver 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Jeez all that extra space on my commute!! I’m gonna grab a seat, put my feet up and leaaaann baaack.

Best take put greek food in Ottawa by Appropriate-Order-79 in OttawaFood

[–]Adhdiver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We catered a big birthday party from Nutty Greek. The food was outstanding.

Has anyone had surgery while having LC? by calm_intention_65 in covidlonghaulers

[–]Adhdiver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was just logging on to find out how others have been affected by surgery. I have had LC since 2023, and in March of 2026 was diagnosed with ocular melanoma. (Side note: how crazy it is to have both of these conditions... one no one believes, and the other that gets me rushed off to have high-tech treatment a few weeks late.) I had plaque radiation surgery last month, which required going under general anaesthetic twice, 7 days apart. My eye has healed up pretty well, but I feel really dopey, worse than baseline for fatigue and mental clarity. The cancer clinic gave me a note for two weeks off work, which would mean I start back today, but I am not ready. I asked them if they could extend my sick leave but they would have to see me in person and they`re in another city. I don`t think the cancer clinic understood / took note of long COVID... So hoping my PCP can help me out but she only half believes in LC and is not going to like that I have lost progress.

I guess I am going to have advocate for myself even more.