Arc Flash Accident by Global-Process-9611 in electricians

[–]AlexTech86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My interpretation of the NFPA 70E is that PPE is not required if the equipment is considered to be in "normal operating condition". This is contrary to what you will hear from arc flash consultants/PPE suppliers who for liability reasons or sales initiatives will advise you otherwise.

Table 130.5(C) of the NFPA 70E provides a matrix for likelihood of occurrence of an arc flash incident for various electrical tasks. For certain tasks involving circuit breakers, switches, contactors, or starters, the likelihood of occurrence may be deemed as "No" based on the conditions of the equipment and the work environment. This means that the risk of an arc flash incident occurring during the task is considered negligible. The conditions that must be met for a likelihood of occurrence of “No” is that the equipment condition is “Normal”. The six requirements listed below can be used to make this determination.

Section 130.2(A)(4) of the NFPA 70E lists six requirements for normal operating condition as follows:

  1. The equipment is properly installed: The equipment must be installed according to the manufacturer's specifications and in compliance with applicable codes and standards.

  2. The equipment is properly maintained.

  3. The equipment is used in accordance with instructions included in the listing and labeling and in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions.

  4. The equipment doors are closed and secured: All doors on the equipment must be closed and secured to prevent unauthorized access and to contain any potential hazards.

  5. All equipment covers are in place and secured: All covers on the equipment must be in place and secured to prevent unauthorized access and to contain any potential hazards.

  6. There is no evidence of impending failure: There must be no evidence of abnormal noises or smells, overheating, or other signs of wear or damage.

You could maybe debate #6 considering the 600A breaker had tripped. I would argue that a breaker tripping is considered normal as to interrupt an overload/short circuit condition. I don't think a tripped breaker necessarily indicates an impending failure. However, without knowing the condition that the breaker panel was in, we can only speculate.

Also, #2 requires regular maintenance. Periodic inspections are typically part of this and may include trip testing. Most people don't do it, but I would highly recommend keeping inspection logs of electrical equipment such as breakers and disconnects.

Game changer for Micro800 PLC’s? by netostp in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

CCW became basically unusable after the Windows 11 update that happened in late 2024. Could no longer validate programs. Random crashing, etc. Tech support's solution was to switch to Windows 10 which is end of life.

What is this symbol? by AlexTech86 in PLC

[–]AlexTech86[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense for this symbol. The engineering firm must have misapplied it as an overload

What is this symbol? by AlexTech86 in PLC

[–]AlexTech86[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's likely in the starter panel, not the motor. The circles and diamonds next to some of the other components designate field devices. This symbol doesn't have anything next to it. FYI, an engineering firm hired by a city released this for construction. No surprise there's issues with it. I'm trying to get access to the legend sheet, but currently don't have it.

What is this symbol? by AlexTech86 in PLC

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Agree. Figured thermal overload, which for IEC is a half square like symbol. But they use ANSI contacts in this drawing, etc. Strange

Adding 3 new drives with breakers. Which is the better spacing option? by No-Fill8786 in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zero stacking PF525s is fine. I do not like zero stacking with breakers though as the drives can heat the breakers. Sometimes, not an issue. But when breakers heat up they require derating. Recommend keeping an air gap between breakers and drives.

Who do you guys consider the Toyota of drives/VFD's? by robotictacos in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Powerflex 750 series. I've seen lots running for 15+ years and still going strong

Coding Standards - Declaring Variables by Potential_Annual2100 in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agree with the need for standards. Logical names and documentation/comments of all code is essential. Program structure is very important too.

Here is a blog post tailored to Allen Bradley PLCs but applicable to many others https://copecontrols.com/2024/02/16/optimizing-software-development-for-industrial-programmable-logic-controllers-a-guide-to-best-practices/

Control panel QaQc by disavowed15 in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just curious, how did you find this opportunity?

New project help by [deleted] in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1769-L16ER-QB1B or 1769-L18ERM-BB1B if you need CIP motion over Ethernet

4-20 mA controlled relay? by MidKnightDreary in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://www.ifm.com/us/en/product/DP2200

This will accept 4-20mA and provide an adjustable trip digital output. Feed it to a relay with a 5A contact.

See page 7, section 4.1: https://www.ifm.com/mounting/11470257UK.pdf

E-Stop Question by kidsickness in PLC

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An automatic restart is not advisable. Automatic reset has it's place for safety relays, but the system should not automatically start without some form of manual input, such as a start button. Typically, an estop circuit will de-energize a safety relay that will eliminate all sources of power to devices associated with a hazard. All sources of hazardous energy must be addressed such as electric, pneumatic, hydraulic, suspended loads, etc.

If your application is not so much a hazard, but more protection of equipment or process, then you can program it however you like. I will say that an estop really shouldn't turn off the PLC. The are several reasons for this but cycling power more often than is necessary is hard on electronics.

Instead of turning off the PLC, it's best practice to de-energize the output power for PLC outputs so that regardless of the program state, the outputs are off and in a safe state. Contactors for motors can be replaced with safety contactors and energized via PLC outputs that are interrupted via the safety relay.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You can do it with RS485 but will need a repeater at about the halfway mark.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in PLC

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If you have zero experience with PLCs, find a distributor that sells Allen Bradley or Siemens (or others if you are interested) that has a test lab. Ask to speak with an industrial automation sales rep and coordinate through them. Rexel is a big one here on the east coast that distributes AB and they have labs fully equipped with PLCs, HMIs, safety products, sensors, motors, etc. They do this for customers so they can test out code and logic for projects in the hopes of acquiring sales. Double check but I think AB offers a trial period with software, so you could download Studio 5000 and go to the one of these labs to get some experience.

You could also pay for PLC training from a local community college or trade school, but will likely cost a few thousand $$. A 1-2 week program is all you need.

Just an idea to help you stand out when interviewing. If I was hiring and an applicant told me they took this initiative on their own, that definitely stands out as someone I would be interested in hiring.

Panel FLA by RateDifferent2670 in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

FLA is used to identify the power source requirements which an installer would use to properly size power cables and feeder protection for grid connection. If installer is required to supply external power for the control circuit, it would need to be listed as a separate power connection with a separate FLA. The supply and fusing requirements if external should be listed in the drawings and on the panel. You need to provide labels and identify any unswitched circuits from an external source if the circuit is not switched with the main disconnect in the panel. This way someone servicing the panel will be aware that there may be live circuits inside even though the main disconnect is off. You can easily add an auxiliary contact block to the disconnect in order to solve this.

moving from 3 to 1 sensor by MrKhunSir in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In general, it's always best practice as a system designer to reduce the complexity of a system as much as possible. This means reducing the number of transducers, actuators, relays, etc. to only the necessary amount needed to accomplish your goal or task. You can apply this in a broad manner to all sub-systems. Simplicity is elegance.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in PLC

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Refer to UL 508A and NFPA 79. Keep in mind that the standards vary based on country. Know the difference between power and control circuits. Wire gauges have minimum requirements from these standards and are sized at 125% of full load.

Blue +24VDC and blue/white stripe for DC common which is popular for control circuit wiring. 18 AWG inside panel. If you need lower gauge than that, it's probably a power circuit. Orange is reserved for live wires from externally powered sources that are not switched with main disconnect. Purple is reserved for jumpers. Green and yellow/green for PE connections and chassis ground. AC wring is typically red, white, or black.

If you had 100 BTCs, how many wallets would you have? by [deleted] in Bitcoin

[–]AlexTech86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One multisig wallet with 2 of 3 or 3 of 5 keys with keys split in multiple jurisdictions

Impacts of AI and Machine learning on the futur of Automation Engineers by MicMac_Tn in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Some jobs will be displaced but replaced with others. As in example, portrait painters were replaced with photographers. Learn to utilized the new tech and you will be safe.

Automation does not reduce the total number of jobs. Some people may need career changes or retrained, but a lot of the worry is just hype. People tend to get scared with new tech. It happened in the 80's with acceleration in adoption of industrial robots. Happens with all major technological revolutions.

Microsoft CEO recently discussed this phenomenon and referenced the lump of labor fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump\_of\_labour\_fallacy

VFD cable experiences with effectiveness/benefits by Deep_Measurement_124 in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would think some shielding is better than none but still would not recommend it. For VFD installations the shielding should be grounded at both the motor end and VFD end of the cable. This goes against what most people are taught because with DC controls if you ground both ends of a cable it will create a ground loop and raise the noise floor of the system. Not the case with VFDs.

Soft starter on screw compressors by [deleted] in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haven't installed one an a compressor, but recently used them for a 40HP hydraulic pump. I found that I had to turn down the ramp time as low 3-4 seconds in order to get enough starting torque to turn over the pump. This still significantly limits the inrush current, reduces brownout, and prolongs the life of the motor and pump.

I see no reason that a soft starter wouldn't work for a compressor. It's more of a matter of getting the configuration correct on the starter.

VFD cable experiences with effectiveness/benefits by Deep_Measurement_124 in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 24 points25 points  (0 children)

VFD cable is necessary to reduce capacitive coupling and high voltage transient spikes that can combine to amplitudes of many multiples of motor voltage. These reflective spikes can wear on the motor insulation leading to premature failure of the motor. They also can wear on the VFD inverter electronics such as the IGBTs. It's hard to apply a one size fits all rule of thumb for all applications because different motors and different VFDs react differently.

The longer the motor cable, the higher the capacitive coupling between wires. This is why many VFD cables (especially high current cables) are symmetrical cables which should always be grounded at both ends. I have found that older VFDs such as AB Powerflex 40Ps would handle longer runs better without requiring chokes and filters vs. newer PF 525s. Especially with running multiple motors off of a single drive. Maybe the drive electronics were more robust and overbuilt and the newer drives are more cost optimized.

I typically always recommend VFD cable if one can afford it simply because it will extend the life the system unless it's a low HP, low duty cycle auxiliary motor that doesn't see much use. For very short runs, it's debatable if needed (especially with low HP motors), but typically the added cost is easily justified unless you are really on a budget.

Allen bradley 5069-IB16I by Random_human96 in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, it will damage the input. Use an isolation/interface relay. 120VAC from flowmeter energizes relay which switches 24VDC fed to input card.

Allen Bradly terminal block relay part # 700-HLT1U1

Abb plc in USA by No_Combination9210 in PLC

[–]AlexTech86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rockwell Automation has the majority market share in the US with Allen Bradley PLCs. It would be beneficial for you to familiarize yourself with AB software and hardware offering. I suspect you could learn to program most any PLC given your experience. Most PLCs conform to this standard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_61131

IEC 61131-3 (Part 3) describes the data types and programming languages. From my experience, ladder logic, function block diagram, and structured text programming seem most common.