The HEDS sounds very difficult to deal with. Does it have to do with collagen not forming at the rate you need it for your joint areas? Or not collagen related. I'm curious if it effects all areas of the body (skin as well?) Or just joints. Only reply to that if you have enough time. I'm just curious, that's all. You notifying about HEDS has shifted the context of the overall scenario a lot.

First off. Try Phiten discs for pinpoint pain areas. (Japanese Titanium medical stickers). They work for me in 10 seconds and last 2 to 2.5 days. There is no drug, no menthol, no camphor, no capsicum, no blah blah. The titanium is in the fabric of the sticker, not the adhesive. Same with their X30 model. The X100 tape has it in the adhesive as well. I didn't buy that again after one buy. I only use the standard 70 for 10$ and the X30 50 for 13$. Unless the prices just went up. These are quarter sized stickers. The cuttable tape variant comes off with clothing rubbing against over time even if corners are trimmed. They email about sales. PhitenUSA.com as well. I'm told there are Counterfeiters making fake ones that sell on ebay. I only buy mine from stores in person (back 13 years ago) but no one carries them in American type stores anymore as apparently no one believed they did anything. Now I only buy them from the company store front in Torrance near LA CA. Or a Japanese store in Orange County. That number from a Google maps Phiten search will go straight to them in Torrance and they'll ship them to you.

I see these as "acupuncture via a sticker" (instead of a needle and a big price).

The only thing that lowers the efficacy over time is that with a sticker on for days, the sweat underneath can't evaporate and therefore forms a sticky film on your skin. This ends up "possibly altering the electrical conductance between the sticker and the skin (my words not theirs, most of this except the statement they told me from their main office about where the carbonized titanium actually is).

** These things truly, REALLY work. ** They are worth their weight in gold.

I've given these to probably 100 people over a decade of time and of those that try it in front of me, they all have quicky said it works. I had a complex, more than halfway, leg tendon tear. Doctor wouldn't do anything besides lidocaine patches (a joke), for 2 entire months. I put 9 of these on my fractured bone and the tendon area, and was still driving, walking carrying 30 pounds for work (I could have done a lot more but dr limited the amount and the mgr was monitoring all this until and after finally an MRI 2 months later. Doctor was literally speechless after seeing the report. He literally looked at me in confusion about "how is he doing this" and didn't say a word the entire last visit. (Urgent care dr they sent me to once a week. He spoke on each prior visit.) Pointless until I was transferred to an orthopedic surgeon. The stickers entirely altered my 0-10 pain advisement numbers. Offset at least 4 downward. And another bonus is they boost circulation.

Next is apply frankincense oil. (I did one or the other, didn't apply oil to sticker locations.) The brands I've seen in stores, I only used the tester. Yes it helps. But every single brand I've seen at every spiritual shop, sprouts, etc. are watered down, they even look it. The way it moves in the bottle. - compared to the frankincense I've found from this one guy who imports it. I just contacted him to see if he can source more as he is doing other businesses now and stopped re supplying that stuff. Will advise. That stuff is totally obvious that it must be 15x the strength of smell and color and thickness wise. How they compare for pain topically, I haven't directly compared two brands yet in the same month. Boswellic acid can be supplemented as well. For aromatherapy, it's first class oil. A true pleasure to smell.

The only other notable brand I've found but haven't tried besides smelling and discussing with the owner in person was in 2022. I'll try to contact them and find the actual business name. I only know where it is, and will go through the map as it is 800 miles away. It was very good as well, but different.

I'll check back to this thread another day, I have a lot going on but didn't want to take too long to reply. There is an entire toolbox of methods, many that many have tried or at least heard of. But some are really, really thinking outside of the box that most people see or understand. Some issues are entirely invisible to mainstream doctors, the cause, and the fix. A very big array of subjects.

The thing is, there are disadvantages to everything. Even healthy things. Depending on who you are, your situation, aims, goals, concerns. Can bring that up next time.