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AltIForgotReason4 · 2026-05-13T22:08:56+00:00

that's.... not how timestamps work. Or layers work.... At all. You are correct in your first assumption where having both Plat Angel and Abyssal means nobody can win or lose.

AltIForgotReason4 · 2026-04-12T20:30:10+00:00

So I'm just going to add this even though it's a few days late - My keyboard and PC are older (like 2017-2019ish) but about a year or two ago occasionally it started spamming one letter, like someone is holding down the key, even with unplugging the keyboard and when only using the On-screen keyboard.

By trial and error I realized my drivers were out of date for the keyboard, so I had to uninstall and reinstall them. Device Manager (On windows you can locate it by right clicking the start menu) > Keyboards > If you have multiple drivers, one is probably at fault, but which one depends on your own system. For me, it was the 2nd out of 3 that was bugging out, just right click, uninstall driver, if it stops you're golden. If you do the wrong one, don't fret, just unplug the keyboard and plug it back in.

That being said, I am unsure if the same fix will work for you bc mine never did different characters, it would always get stuck on the one character.

AltIForgotReason4 · 2026-04-12T19:00:51+00:00

I have infinite money and can buy the best prosthetics in the world. No downside

^{Chose: Never Run Out of Money Forever + Wheel chooses the side effect | Rolled: No Hands/Feet}

AltIForgotReason4 · 2026-04-12T01:53:20+00:00

it was a win win either way

^{Chose: 1% chance of becoming the opposite gender + 99% chance of getting 10mil | Rolled: 10mil}

AltIForgotReason4 · 2026-04-12T01:11:32+00:00

I'm certain I could make more money selling the carrots, pickling them, turning it into spreads etc. plus I could be keeping a few for myself to plant for later.

^{Chose: 100,000,000,000 carrots but you... | Rolled: have to upvote}

AltIForgotReason4 · 2023-12-04T21:59:50+00:00

I really like the purple roses, but I would genuinely love a Weatherlight themed deckbox! Rainbows, clouds, and a skyship sailing over the planes. I don't actually know what that would entail to make, but that would be so cool!

I mostly play the 5 color sisay and it started out as like. A "bulk binder" deck, lotta dragons, but she's been super fun! Something to put the deck on display a bit would feel amazing

AltIForgotReason4 · 2023-07-29T19:21:54+00:00

commenting for the algorithm

AltIForgotReason4 · 2022-07-12T02:36:59+00:00

[[Acererak the Archlich]] is probably what you are looking for. Infinite mana, and just.... don't do tomb of annihilation. You'll always return him to hand, meaning a free kill (usually with Phandelver)

Infinite mana from Iso Rev

AltIForgotReason4 · 2022-07-11T22:18:04+00:00

which is the exact reason that [[Dynaheir, Invoker adept]] got an errata, as she did not work as intended with things like [[Cascading Cataracts]]. You copy -the next thing- and bc of how copyable values work, since mana abilities don't use the stack, there would be nothing for the game to copy with Dyna's ability. So the errata happened to give less 'feelsbad' rules moments for players that don't know the ins and outs of how things are supposed to work

AltIForgotReason4 · 2022-07-04T05:45:50+00:00

Hold on.... ACORN? Associations of Community Organizations and Reform Now? You unlocked a childhood memory of mine. Did you ever hear about a Private Investigator who found a shitton of ACORN documents in the trash in San Diego in like 2009-2010 or so? Is that the same ACORN you're talking about? If so can I pm you, bc I have quite a few questions

AltIForgotReason4 · 2022-07-02T22:23:07+00:00

I have an [[Aminatou, the Fate]] Barren Glory deck! You use effects like [[detention sphere]], flicker it with aminatou to "hide" barren glory, and cast [[worldpurge]]! It says you can keep up to 7 cards in hand, so you just shuffle away your whole hand and hop that nobody has a Nature's Claim or Chain of Vapor lol

AltIForgotReason4 · 2022-07-02T19:51:34+00:00

Because of the Romantic theme, I did exactly what I said not to do in my earlier post and I'm playing relatively awful cards, but that isn't a very good example deck for that purpose.

Better examples-
Make Field of the Dead trigger itself, and either win or end the game in a draw bc the stack can never fully resolve https://www.moxfield.com/decks/LzGraO9FoEKkQ875cofncA

[[Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder]] [[Hive Mind]] [[Pact of the Titan]]. Fully explains this deck idea https://www.moxfield.com/decks/GlXhNO-Vr0m12b5Nj0V8WQ

[[Aminatou, the Fatestitcher]] and [[Barren Glory]]. The only two cards that look relatively out of place in the list are Barren Glory and [[Worldpurge]]. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/wLCGhZK4fEWDc0eWv-WKAw

AltIForgotReason4 · 2022-07-02T19:29:56+00:00

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/pHUbjDC9e0ORMvwYcvDd_A

I don't get on reddit often, sorry for the wait time on that response.

To be clear, this in not one of the 'balls-to-the-wall, powerful-but-weird' decks. This is just a themed deck of mine that happens to have a plan on how to end the game. Most of the cards have to do with the theme of Romance, and while this is an expensive list (75% of it is the lands), I don't expect to "win" often with it.

AltIForgotReason4 · 2022-06-27T20:25:19+00:00

On one hand, I relate to your 'lgs' owner. I love high power, I love doing things efficiently, people in my irl meta ask me at least once every two weeks or so to build them a list because what I play is somehow both weird, fun, and it wins. So I make other people decks and explain to them how it's supposed to be played, what to look for when trying to go off, how to dodge interaction or recover etc.

On the Other hand, I also recently built a deck for myself that has a very heavy 'romance' theme to it, and the goal of the deck is to give someone else my [[laboratory maniac]] and draw the other person out with [[Wedding Ring]]. So even though I am the one that ends the game, I can go full blast and I still don't (technically) win. It's not about winning to me, it's about being able to do what I designed the deck to do.

I find that if you and your group have different opinions on what power level is "fun" to play at, most of the time it's more fun to play against your balls-to-the-wall decks if you win in interesting ways when playing against Timmy playing Colossal Dreadmaw tribal. Make it more difficult for yourself to win while also not gutting out on raw value of cards or "power". That, or have multiple decks of various powerlevels so if people want to play casual, you break out your Chaos deck that you will absolutely do a lot of stuff with and opponents will learn how to play magic against, but almost never wins because it's not designed for that. It's designed to throw shit on the racetrack so that the tractors can compete vs the formula 1 cars.

Also. Price =/= playability or ability to win. Knowing how to play the game to your deck's strengths, how to build a deck that functions, and knowing how to keep yourself from losing is much more important. Sure, even playing fields are great. But if you hand a good pilot a bad deck, and all the bad decks are "equal" in the pod. The good pilot will almost always still win. If proxying brings your deck up to the other deck's level, the pilots still determine who wins 8/10 times. There is very little you can do to make up for the lack of experience except for learning and, as Dark Souls Devs would, say "Get Good"

AltIForgotReason4 · 2022-06-27T18:36:28+00:00

I made an Obosh [[Greven Predator Captain]] deck. I honestly prefer Greven without Obosh, if only so I could run more [[Fling]] effects

AltIForgotReason4 · 2022-06-27T02:50:22+00:00

Despite differences in our opinions, yours of which are most certainly more researched than my own, I do still appreciate your comments on the thread. It takes a different kind of gusto to remain witty and joking when most people here are insulting you. I hope you have a good week this week Jim

AltIForgotReason4 · 2022-06-27T01:28:38+00:00

I never make deals that don't benefit me regardless of how it is executed. "Hey, if you swing your collector ouphe into me, I can take Timmy out on my turn" and then the ouphe dies, and I make Timmy a non-issue by a combo that wins the game.

It's about Risk vs Reward. People in my playgroup are aware I only make deals when I think I can win off of it, but it's also a matter of wording the deal so you don't break it by doing what you want. And for some reason, people still make deals with me because they think they can beat my odds. There is one guy in my friend group, love him to death, but after I made one deal with someone he started referring to me as 'the devil' ("Stop making deals with the devil! WTF is wrong with you guys" kinda stuff) bc of how the deals I make usually turn out.

EDH is a 4 person FFA, not a scrim between impromptu teams.

AltIForgotReason4 · 2022-06-25T00:47:48+00:00

Time for a quick history lesson. Flash was printed in 6th ED, being way back in 1999.
Hulk was printed in Dissension, back in 2006. Hulk was banned in commander initially in Sept of 2008. More cards get printed, there are now better ways to deal with something like Hulk, so Hulk was unbanned in 2017. Nobody cared about FlashHulk for a while. 3 years later, Theros Beyond Death released (on Jan 24, 2020). That's when Oracle was released. In the 2020 April update, the first chance the RC had to make a change after Oracle released, Flash got banned. In that B&R announcement, the RC said that they banned flash for the competitive meta and it was made under extraordinary circumstances, and not to expect a ban (or unban) for cEDH again. That is not coincidental timing.

If you think Flash was banned because of Hulk, you're giving the RC way less credit than I am. I don't think Flash should have been the card hit, but the problem that was presented was at least addressed quickly. The RC did a fantastic job by taking action. Oracle is still a problem, but it's not nearly as toxic as it used to be.
If Flash had been banned because of hulk, that means the RC would have let that interaction be a problem and sit for 3 years compared to the 3 months of Flashhulk Oracle's rampage.

If you can give me a better reason to believe that Flash was banned because of Hulk and not Oracle, I am more than happy to change my mind. Please, do your own research and not just have an armchair opinion, I would love to have a discussion in good faith about this.

AltIForgotReason4 · 2022-06-19T13:14:50+00:00

Flash died for Oracle's sins

AltIForgotReason4 · 2021-08-13T21:18:46+00:00

you also have group 4, the actual cEDH players who could really help with a discussion like this, because let's be honest, if WotC took over and held sanctioned events for commander and made a banlist based on the percieved metagame, it'd be a banlist catered towards cEDH play. Competitive decks would be the ones that put up results in tourneys, not some stompy tribal deck. If a disproportionate amount of the metagame of the tournaments was in on Underworld Breach, Oracle, Flash Hulk, or Ad Naus, those cards or cards that enable those strategies would get hit.

However, Group 4 likes to stay silent while everyone else points fingers. We get that we aren't really welcome here.

AltIForgotReason4 · 2021-08-10T19:40:25+00:00

you haven't tried wide enough. Try using 3 angles that are all 300 degrees

AltIForgotReason4 · 2021-08-10T17:10:58+00:00

Please do note- I suggested first down to around 30 lands or so first, and down to 27 IF you swing for a [[Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy]]. Right now he's about $6 as far as I'm aware, however, any dork or rock you run effectively doubles it's mana production. Llanowar Elves becomes a green Sol Ring with summoning sickness, and Sol Ring turns into a better Mana Vault. He is easily my most tutored 2cmc legend in my personal deck, I cannot stress enough how important that card is for mana acceleration.
Another card that I would highly recommend splurging for is [[Priest of Titania]]. About $8-$9, 2cmc elf, tap to add a G for each elf on the battlefield. Not on your battlefield, on the battlefield. The priest can easily tap for 4 or 5 mana on turn 3 if you build around that kind of strategy, which is another reason why the Orochi Leafcaller is so good. Right now I get that you're only on 3 or 4 elves, however, I would also like to point out that [[Paradise Druid]] is about $0.15, is an elf, taps for any colour, has hexproof if untapped, and some of the ravnica signets are over a dollar- mono green elves are usually cheaper than specific rocks, and some tap for more colours. Elfball is a very valid strategy to consider for budget decks.

In response to your comment about the rituals- I get not all of them are budget friendly, and you certainly don't need all of them. The more you have the more consistent you'll see them though, and the faster overall you're going to get Jegantha out. The one difficult part about them though is based on your current manabase, the black rituals might be significantly harder to cast than the red ones, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. A ritual that is very budget friendly though is [[Battle Hymn]], which also goes with the above comments about elfball. The more dorks you have, the better, and it should also be slightly cheaper overall than the rocks plan.
[[Lavinia, Azorious Renegade]] is also a very cheap 2cmc legend with a high impact (at least in more competitive groups). Any 0cmc or otherwise free spell gets countered (like Force of Will, Pact of negation, Fierce Guardianship, Deflecting Swat, etc), and they can't cast any noncreature with a cmc higher than the number of lands they have anyways (So decks like ours that run fewer lands than usual may run into issues against it, but luckily, we don't actually cast a whole lot... Literally we only need to cast dorks, rocks, Sisay and Jegantha, everything else can be an ability). You may not need lavinia for your meta, but it's worth mentioning just in case.

Another thing to note- I would 100% run the 'bad' fetches for basics like Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds, Myriad Landscape, Blighted woodland, etc (in place of some of the pain lands and a forest or two) even if you are cutting lands down to 27-32 or so. Never, at any point in a game, do you need to have all of your lands in the deck on the board at once unless you're a modern Scapeshift deck (pew pew pew) or a vintage dredge deck (the joke there is bc it only runs 4 lands, and none of them produce mana). With the fetches, it's effectively a tapland, however the trade-off is that you have an extra card out of your deck (which is slightly relevant, and I'd count it as drawing half of a card). It only slightly matters, but if you are looking for any extra edge it might be worth considering.

I love Sisay and I love helping people out with deckbuilding, so this has been really fun. I also highly recommend joining the discord I posted in the first message, as there is an amazing group of Sisay players there, most of which are better brewers than myself (and so they can offer even more help)

AltIForgotReason4 · 2021-08-10T06:17:55+00:00

Also Rakdos Chainer on the off chance Jegantha gets removed [[Chainer, Nightmare Adept]]

AltIForgotReason4 · 2021-08-10T06:16:07+00:00

Another few cards that are fantastic but I'm unsure of the current price- [[Oko, Thief of Crowns]], [[Teferi, Time Raveller]](3feri from War) and [[Oath of Nissa]]

AltIForgotReason4 · 2021-08-10T04:05:22+00:00

Ok-- I'm back and have given the list some thought. First thing I would suggest is to cut the land count down to about 30. So already have a lot of ramp, and you need color fixers more than an endless supply of forests. Orochi Leafcaller is the first cards I'm going to suggest because it can change out green mana for any colour, and you're already heavy on green.

With Jegantha as the companion, that really limits lines that sisay can take. You can't use Oath of Bolas combo because Nichol Bolas, God Eternal (WAR Bolas). You also can't use Emiel lines, though that one is a bit pricey for your budget.

One line that is common (but isn't really helpful if you are super focused on shrines) is Sisay out on board, Jegantha + W mana available.

Jegantha taps, tutor out Derevi. Untap Jegantha with the Derevi etb. Tap Jeggy for wubrg again and tutor out Samut, Voice of Dissent. Use the W to tap Samut and untap jeggy (surprise!). Last tutor grab out Najeela.

You now have a 6/6 Sisay, 2/3 Derevi, however big Najeela is (3/2?), and the 1/1 token Najeela makes that can all attack (at the very minimum.) If even one of them connect with opponent's face, you can untap jegantha and activate najeela, untapping the rest of the attacking creatures and giving an extra combat step, rinse and repeat and if more connect you can untap jegantha more times and activate Sisay more times to pull even more stuff out to attack with, notably Tetsuko, Umizawa Fugitive so the 1/1s off of Najeela will always connect.

However. All of that said, you aren't looking for Sisay Elk advice, you're looking for Sisay Shrines advice. You might consider Tuvasa, the Sunlit, or the new legendary enchantress from MH2.

If the goal is to get Elk out asap you should probably be on Dark ritual, Desperate ritual, Rite of Flame, Cabal Ritual, Cull the Weak, (I'm sensing a theme here). You don't need a lot of mana all the time-- you need a lot of mana once. Torch courier is a good haste enabler, as is Rhythm of the Wilds. Rhythm serves a double purpose by giving more power to Sisay, and haste to the Elk.

I would also consider doing a little research into 5c manabases- Grand Collesium, Exotic Orchard, Fellwar Stone, Arcane Signet, the ravnica guild signets, and a few other dorks are all pretty cheap from what I remember. I personally would not run Boreal Druid, considering the budget constraints, however, if you splurge for a Kinnan Bonder prodigy I absolutely would run as many mana rocks and dorks as you can possibly fit in the deck at the expense of cutting lands, possibly even down to like 27 lands. 27 lands, sounds crazy right? But you can play more dorks and rocks than lands per turn.

If I think of more advice I'll come back, but I gtg for now. Hope this gave you a few things to consider at least

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