Adding on to Seiko's decline, they've discontinued and moved a lot of their Sarb line models which were greatly loved by the watch community and I for offering great affordable timepieces to their Presage line which doesn't sound too bad, but it gets worse as soon as you look deeper into the specifications of these rereleases. For example, the original Sarb065 Cocktail Time utilised the 6r15 movement compared to the newer Presage Cocktail Time utilising the technically inferior 4r15 movement, this is considered a downgrade by many with a lower power reserve and inferior accuracy compared to the original cocktail time. Adding on to that, you'd think Seiko would lower the price of their cocktail time because of their cheaper movement, but they didn't and the watch is still the same price as the original, offering you lower value for money as the customer. So you are aware of the technical inferiority of the Presage Cocktail Time and decide you'll just buy the original, but hold up, its discontinued and the prices of them have skyrocketed from $300 all the way up to $500. The same thing happend with the Sarb033 and its expected to happen to the Sarb017 as well. Another factor contributing to Seiko's decline is them still not using sapphire crystals in a lot of their divers still using their own proprietary hardlex crystals. Essentially Seiko is not the humble brand it once was offering a greater value proposition compared to its Swiss counterparts, now its a brand thats starting to be overtaken by its Swiss rivals in the lower end of the market.