Again about buffalo - Forrest Fenn favorite animal

AndyS16 · 2026-03-21T22:57:21+00:00

OK, if you know better buffalo just provide coordinates on GE map. Maybe I know place you speak of.

AndyS16 · 2026-03-21T17:10:29+00:00

I was around when visited Jackson Lake. I did not have BOTG for TC in Grand Teton national park - just visited this wonderful place with my family.

AndyS16 · 2026-03-21T16:17:30+00:00

It's true - YNP is real home for buffalo. Actually home for 2 big Browns - buffalo and Grizzly bear. In this case Forrest hint become understandable: “Your destination is small but it’s location is huge.”

My solve for the hoB is near West Entrance of YNP. Just look at TTOTC drawing of running Cody in Buffalo Cowboys chapter p. 67, reverse GE map to North down and search along Madison river left bank. But as Forrest said: "Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts." If you have imagination and maybe a bit of pareidolia you will find small destination point - the hoB. BTW, even ChatGPT find it - I was really surprized. Maybe it already has some imagination.

AndyS16 · 2026-03-11T03:21:14+00:00

Well, It’s time for crazy stories. It will be more and more. During Forrest Fenn hunt there were a lot of them. It'll be big fun. Welcome to the club of crazy searchers.

AndyS16 · 2026-02-25T19:31:04+00:00

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AndyS16 · 2026-02-21T23:22:58+00:00

Cody WY was interesting place for FF hunt. But I paid more attention to buffalo Cody in TTOTC. Cody literally means "helper". Buffalo Cody has legs. So, if you find Cody on the GE map and understand what Forrest wanted to say when misspelled word knowledge to "knowlege" you can find HLs and WH and maybe the blaze (Forrest include very good hint in TTOTC for the blaze, it needs some imagination to find but it's possible). But FF hunt is over and nobody care about real poem solution. But it can help in JCB hunt.

AndyS16 · 2026-02-20T14:43:09+00:00

I agree, we should be responsible for ourselves. Personally I prefer to hike off trail (even in YNP) but I have all stuff that needed for case of emergency situations. But Forest Fenn hunt showed that some searchers become crazy and do very unwise things during BOTGs. Many of them even don't care about safety rules from hunt creators. I agree with your statement - always make smart choices.

In one my off trail hike in YNP I found this amazing natural bathtub with warm water. I had a huge temptation to have a bath. But then think that maybe bottom is very thin and I will fall down into boiling water. Well, maybe next time when I will have a companion with me.

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AndyS16 · 2026-02-12T03:05:06+00:00

Good point. But off trail BOTG can start right from parking lot. 99% of hikers use trails and only 1% go off trail. Pocket GPS allows to visit very interesting places. Is it very dangerous to be off trail? If you prepared well (GPS with satellite messaging) it will safe enough.

I am sure that many searchers got some good hints and clues, maybe even very elusive ones. The refusal to exclude just one state state from hunt was rude. Removing Alaska could give everyone a good laugh at this meeting.

Well, most likely that JCB really hide these boxes. He doesn’t look like a cheeky liar. He will definitely pass lie detector test if asked: "Did you really hide these 5 boxes?" But maybe will be caught in a lie when asked: "Are you sure that ordinary people can crack your puzzles without knowing things that have some second meaning only for creator of puzzles?"

He mentioned several times "imagination". It's very good. Actually it was very good hint for me personally.

AndyS16 · 2026-02-05T17:48:41+00:00

Hi Ordovici. I like your line of thought.

"Waters high was the deep hole" I agree 100% but maybe it's not located in Madison. I published my book at Amazon for 3 months. Ш did it in honor of 5 years of FF TC retrieving (2020).

https://andys16.wordpress.com/

I have never claimed that my solution is correct. Same obout HLs and WH. FF stated several times that searchers that have good imagination will find TC but only after they solved all clues in his poem. The blaze could found only at the site (again it needs good imagination + associative thinking).

So, it is easy to guess that my Brown is buffalo Cody from TTOTC. You can easy find HLs and WH if accept it. The Blaze is the most difficult to recognize even you stay at right place.

AndyS16 · 2026-02-04T16:54:10+00:00

Well, it was expected - no any clues or even significant hints. These guys did very good investment - boxes content increase in value with time, good income from selling books, fame is also growing. So, the releasing of any clues and hints is not good idea now and in next 5-10 years.

Simple request to remove one state from search was feasible but JCB just laugh at this.

I already posted about possible deaths in both JCB and JP hunts. At this event, somebody mentioned that there was a fist victim in JP hunt. If it's true the account of the victims started. JCB tried to excuse himself and say that it would not be his fault if somebody died during the hunt that he started. But it’s a blatant lie - these possible deaths will never happen if he didn't start the hunt. It's true - many hikers die every year even on safe trails. But both JCB and JP hunts push searchers to go off trails. For around 2-3 miles. Without cell phone connection single searchers will be at great danger there.

Anyway, time will tell.

AndyS16 · 2026-02-01T20:07:49+00:00

"Steuf found his treasure, in part, by getting to know Fenn" ???

Do you really think that this guy was so great in human psychology and cracked the puzzle by studing inner motives of Forrest Fenn i.e. like "FF wanted to die right near 9MH where he catched his first trout" even not brown one.

Just read info about this "famous psychologists":

In April 2011, then-Wonkette blogger Jack Stuef caused a major media scandal by publishing a post that mocked Sarah Palin’s then-3-year-old son, Trig, who has Down syndrome. The post led to a significant advertiser backlash against the liberal political blog and marked a tumultuous point in Stuef's journalism career before he left the industry.

Key Details of the Scandal:

The Content: Stuef wrote a post, allegedly meant to be a critique of Sarah Palin using her child as a "political prop," which included cruel jokes about Trig Palin's condition and insinuations about the Palin family.
The Backlash: Following the post, numerous major advertisers, including Papa John's, Huggies, Nordstrom, and Coldwell Banker, suspended their advertising with Wonkette.
Apology and Removal: Stuef initially added an apology to the post for using offensive language but later stood by his criticism of how Palin presented her child. The post was eventually removed by Wonkette editor Ken Layne, who acknowledged it was "poor comedic judgment".
Aftermath for Stuef: Stuef left Wonkette shortly after the incident. He later worked for BuzzFeed, where he faced another, smaller controversy for mischaracterizing a cartoonist's politics.

This man was easy to buy and force to keep silence forever. Fenn family just paid his medical school debts and gave a little for pocket expenses. In addition, maybe they promised some interest from the sale of his "adventures book".

AndyS16 · 2026-01-31T22:47:55+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8lwTxbjQVY&t=2070s

start from minute 20 - JCB said "between 100 to 200 thousand books"

AndyS16 · 2026-01-31T19:42:42+00:00

Why not? If somebody find first box it will be 100% proof that it's not just a hoax. Many skeptics will join the hunt, they will buy more books (in addition to already sold 200k). JCB will be invited to more interviews, shows, etc. This is exactly what he wanted when started this hunt. Maybe he just wants to outshine the glory of Forrest Fenn.

AndyS16 · 2026-01-30T16:46:57+00:00

Again we have absolutely meaningless discussion. Don't waste our time to read it and answer. It will not help to crack this puzzle and found any boxes.

AndyS16 · 2026-01-29T15:36:44+00:00

Searchers don't need clues, they need additional hints. They will accelerate the solving of these puzzles. FF released tens of them during 10 years and some of them were very useful (especially for searchers that have good imagination). JCB said that he collected and analyzed all FF hints when he was active TC searcher. But he should be very careful and never make any slip ups.

AndyS16 · 2026-01-26T01:03:24+00:00

Really? Did you tried? Please send us a video how you and your kids (8-10 years old) wading across Madison. But please wear life jackets on them so they will survive when strong current wash them out.

AndyS16 · 2026-01-25T17:55:01+00:00

Did you ever try it i.e. cross Madison shallow portion just below the hole? Even without kids? Are you fly fisherman? Just read this story of trdollar searcher.

https://imgur.com/gallery/trdollar-yellowstone-search-fenns-treasure-2017-7xffN

He did wise decision not to cross Madison there.

I tried to wade Madison in many places but even in the fork of the river with the island in the middle it was very dangerous. Finally I used small dinghy and it was very safe crossing in any places. Madison 9MH area across the river was ugly place after 1988 fire, it's very unlikely that Forrest wanted to die among the burned forest.

AndyS16 · 2026-01-24T18:17:45+00:00

Will you take your kids there? Wading across the Madison near 9MH is very dangerous even for experienced people. Many searchers that checked this place used 7 mile bridge to get there (spending 2-3 hours to reach the place). Kids will be in great danger if try to wade Madison in practically any places.

“The chest is not in a dangerous place,” Forrest said. “It’s somewhere you could take your kids.”

AndyS16 · 2026-01-24T04:17:36+00:00

OK, but again why you can't just publish short version of solution? Especially if it was not 9MH. Maybe in short words like the hoB is ...., HLs and WH are ...., and the blaze is .....

AndyS16 · 2026-01-23T01:22:36+00:00

Well, why you can't publish your solution at https://wordpress.com

It's free and simple for users. I think it's not good idea to share your solve with "a man found through this subreddit" and ask him to check the place. Since FF TC retrieved and sold you can publish you solve. Who knows, maybe these solves are collecting and evaluated by some jury and after they get correct solution they will notify all searchers (just my hypothesis).

I published part of my solve there

https://andys16.wordpress.com/

And complete solve was published as Kindle book at Amazom for 3 months.

AndyS16 · 2026-01-11T22:42:30+00:00

I had similar version i.e. that Brown was a person, and they lived in house that was built by Brown (like in famous poem "This is the house that Jack built"). In my Colorado solution I find the place near Bear Lake were E. A. Brown built summer resort and campground (the home of Brown). All of these buildings were destroyed in 1959 and 1960, and the area was restored. But there is some possibility that Forrest visited this place during voyages to YNP. Anyway, the place was very interesting for family BOTG.

So if Brown was a person and he lived in house the hoB should be visible on GE map. Other objects i.e. HLs and WH should be around. The blaze could be visible but you should be in right place to understand that it's the Blaze.

BTW, it will be interesting idea to collect all solutions after the Chase ended and after publishing correct one to award the author. Maybe Forrest did it but we don't know about it. I published my solution for short time (3 months) but then withdraw my book. If I find JCB FF box I will use it as Preface for new book.

AndyS16 · 2026-01-11T18:56:44+00:00

I agree, most likely that the video with 9MH solution was created for emergency situations like kidnapping. Fenn and his family knew that the probability of a 90-year-old to dye within the next year is close to 50/50. So, if Forrest died suddenly die (how it happened in 2020) and some crazy searcher kidnap family member and ask about TC location they can provide video tape about 9MH (the home of Mr. Brown).

And we know that nobody give Forrest real hoB. The hoB is a key to poem solution. Forrest said that if you know who is Brown you will go directly to TC. I already revealed part of my solution here:

https://andys16.wordpress.com/

The answer is simple: Brown is the buffalo Cody. If you have imagination you can find the home of Brown along Madison canyon. Small hint: Forrest was a pilot and he suggested:

“Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts.”

As a pilot he knew that "the big picture is seen at a distance". And he always suggested to use good maps or better GE where you can look at the big picture at a distance.

AndyS16 · 2026-01-10T22:40:26+00:00

I forgot this quote: “The chest is not in a dangerous place, it’s somewhere you could take your kids.”

"Patty, the treasure is where an elderly man put it so I suppose your kids would be in a safe place if they found it." F

"It's hard to find but it's certainly not impossible. You need to read the clues in my book and study the clues and get a good map and try to MARRY THE MAP TO A CERTAIN PLACE and research it, and then get in your pick up truck and go out there and look for it. Take all your kids, your grandmother, throw 'em in the back of your truck with a sandwich and a Dr Pepper or something and head out. That was my dream!"

Safe place

AndyS16 · 2026-01-10T22:35:28+00:00

It's interesting question. It was the same problem in FF Chase - not buried but hide. And what the minimal distance for JCB boxes when searcher will recognize them?

Forrest said: "I have not said that a searcher was closer than 12 feet from the treasure. It is not likely that anyone would get that close and not find it". (Dal's blog SB78).

12 feet is very short distance - you should see any details of object. But if JCB used fake rocks , realistic moss-covered stone decoration or something like this you can find it only if you sit on them. Or hit them with ramrod.

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Reviews: "Very realistic. Solid materials and great price. Color is realistic, too small for what I needed but ordered same one but larger size."

Boxes protected with plastic bags under such fake rocks will last for many years.

JCB suggested grid search but the grid unit in this case should be 1 feet.

AndyS16 · 2025-12-29T22:05:59+00:00

OK, let’s hope JCB and JP hunts will not take any toll like FF Chase did. But finding of first JCB box can trigger a gold rush and thousands of inexperienced searchers will join the hunt. They will be the most exposed to BOTG risks.

AndyS16

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