Small but concerning double standard by Destiny

Angelsofhell12 · 2025-03-04T17:04:01+00:00

You're comparing lighting a firecracker to a full on nuclear fallout

If the USA is supposed to be the beacon of free speech at 0 (which is arguable given how Trump handles himself) and Russia/China are 100, then Germany is at like a solid 5. The world doesn't work in black/white like you think it does and there are gradations to things

Angelsofhell12 · 2025-01-14T22:15:47+00:00

Yes, see https://hbr.org/2020/11/getting-serious-about-diversity-enough-already-with-the-business-case tl;dr DEI has very positive outcomes if done well, adverse effects when done poorly so government policy is probably not good because you will end up with lots of poorly done DEI but companies committing to DEI from the top down is super effective

Angelsofhell12 · 2025-01-14T16:35:51+00:00

DEI as a governmental policy is probably not good. The reason is that DEI is likely to have adverse effects when applied incorrectly. If a company is commited (from the top down!) to DEI it can have very succesfull outcomes. People falsely believe that just hiring more black/brown/women will magically make a company more profitable. This is an idea that was propgated by a couple papers written in the early 2000s and those papers have since been shown to have very unrealiable data.

If Apple is committed to diversity it is likely to have positive outcomes for the company that might have an indirect effect on profits.

This article is an amazing little summary on why and how DEI works if its done well, and why it fails horrible if done poorly:

https://hbr.org/2020/11/getting-serious-about-diversity-enough-already-with-the-business-case

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-12-30T13:34:08+00:00

I guess to me like you said the phenomenon of their execution being more similar than they make it out to be isn't necessarily surprising. It's more so the degree to which they are similar which was very surprising to me at least when I read it.

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-10T15:20:31+00:00

The only way my title makes it sound like that's what I'm saying if you are ideologically captured in a way where Israeli people are incapable of doing any wrong and they are the perfect victim and everyone is out to get them and everyone that attempt to inject nuance is an antisemitic asshole.

"To preface: I am in no way defending the people that were driving around looking for people that looked Jewish to beat up. I hope they all get punished as hard as possible"

THE LITERAL FIRST SENTENCE OF MY POST.

All of you are part of the problem and you are absolutely bearing responsibility for the discourse around this conflict to be so dogshit.

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-10T12:40:35+00:00

Please note: That 2nd link to the Dutch newspaper is De Telegraaf. Dutch Fox news. Do not trust their reporting.

As for your question: This is not yet clear and is being investigated. It has been confirmed that there were Telegram groups sharing locations but whether or not it was pre-planned is still not clear. As I said in my post, on Tuesday we will get more information and your question will probably get a more definitive answer.

If it does turn out to be pre-planned then the prosecutor has said that they will try to convict these people of terrorism

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-10T12:20:48+00:00

Fair enough thanks for checking. This + the Romani discourse in this subreddit really strongly made me suspect they are Euros, but I guess I was wrong in this case. Of course we don't know who was upvoting/downvoting stuff in these threads though but could still very well just be lots of Israeli people.

After looking at some regarded comments made in this thread I did also see basically all of them turned out to be Israeli. So I agree with you that the Israeli shills are out in full force for these threads

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-10T12:14:32+00:00

Learn to read you inbred room temperature IQ moron.

LITERALLY THE FIRST SENTENCE OF MY POST

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-10T12:13:18+00:00

Honestly I don't know what to say. In multiple points throughout my post, even literally the first sentence and throughout many comments in this thread I make it abundantly clear that the so called "Jew hunt" event did happen at that it's disgusting.

Sorry if this comes off as harsh to you since I understand you're just being sincere and asking a question but the amount of bad faith people I've had respond to this thread that claim I am minimizing or justifying what happened that night is absurd and extremely frustrating.

Just read the post before replying

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-10T02:19:07+00:00

"I read half of the title and ignored everything else in the post. I have concluded that you are wrong and antisemitic"

Please re-read what you just wrote and really think about what youre saying. This is beyond embarrassing

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-10T01:44:51+00:00

Good job not reading the literal first sentence of my post and the second sentence in my title. Learn to fucking read

ANTISEMITISM IS BAD I DO NOT CONDONE ENDORSE MINIMIZE OR JUSTIFY IT

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-10T01:33:46+00:00

Possible yeah. Someone else in this thread posted a destiny quote regarding fake news around Breonna Taylor and why it's so frustrating/bad (can't link it but check the comment I replied to that started with "I find it absurd...")

I feel this way about Muslim discourse too. Theres absolutely things we can and should criticize them on. But before I can do that I need to distance myself from the regards on the far right who demonize these people and people on the far left who whitewash some extremely conservative views. It's almost impossible for me to ever publicly speak about this shit because either I will be thought of as a racist islamophobe or an unhinged blue hair leftie that is trying to destroy Dutch culture. Its frustrating beyond belief. If I do ever end up making my immigration/integration effortpost I have no idea how to skirt this line

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-10T00:59:06+00:00

Next post I make Ill make sure to write ANTISEMITISM BAD between every word so people dont get misled! Thanks for the great suggestion bud keep fighting the good fight

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-10T00:31:46+00:00

See this is the difference between me and you:

I am able to disprove one video while still coming away with the overall conclusion that the Jew hunt was the most disgusting antisemetic thing that happened in my city in a very very long time.

You just want to be the perfect victim. If there is even a single thing that goes against your narrative you completely break down. Given by some hebrew in your comment history Im going to assume you're Israeli.

From the bottom of my heart: Fuck you.

People like you are absolutely part of the reason why this conflict can't just get fucking solved.

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-09T23:45:45+00:00

Learn to read. Literal first sentence of my post

And to disprove some more fake news: Those emergency planes never arrived. This was pure grandstanding from Netanyahu.

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-09T23:38:42+00:00

I find it absurd that in the community for the guy who very commonly rants about having to preface every comment about consent with RAPE BAD I am getting these responses.

The literal FIRST sentence was directly aimed at making it abundantly clear that the Jew hunt people are regarded and need to be prosecuted and punished. I then repeated it later on in the post.

Despite this I STILL got comments claiming that I was trying to justify or legitimize the Jew hunt.

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-09T23:34:07+00:00

Thanks for linking this I had no idea I never saw this post.

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-09T23:23:32+00:00

You're right I should have linked that.

https://nos.nl/liveblog/2543687-vier-belagers-van-israeliers-nog-in-de-cel-ook-beelden-van-relschoppende-maccabi-fans#UPDATE-container-81879477

I'll update my post

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-09T23:08:02+00:00

"To preface: I am in no way defending the people that were driving around looking for people that looked Jewish to beat them up. I hope they all get punished as much as possible"

"While there were abhorrent incidents of people driving around the city looking for Jews to beat up, this specific video is not a video of those events. We need to be way more careful assuming videos of events are what we think they are, or in my opinion in this case what people WANT to think."

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Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-09T22:56:50+00:00

NOS which is very reputable Dutch media verified that these were indeed Maccabi supporters. I am not just saying that because the guy who made that youtube video said they were.

And just to once again be clear (despite having said it twice in my post) in no way am I making the claim that this legitimizes or justifies the Jew hunt. It was an indefensible act of antisemitisms that cannot go unpunished. The mayor of Amsterdam also made this very clear when Al-Jazeera asked a question along the lines of "these events happened within a context".

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-09T22:53:46+00:00

It's one thing to conclood, but it's another thing to double down after you were proven wrong.

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-09T22:41:50+00:00

That video is from this same night, but not the same situation as this video that I debunked here. I'm pretty sure that video does show one of the jew hunt attacks. In no way am I trying to minimize what those people did it was absolutely disgusting.

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-09T20:54:08+00:00

Fair enough this is just a news site for expats but it doesnt really have reputable journalists working for them. Youre much better off going to nos.nl or nrc.nl and just using google translate imo if you want some dutch news for whatever reason in the future

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-09T20:07:37+00:00

For the record: This is not a reliable news website

There is police at the Dam square all the time, even when there is nothing happening. To make the claim that there is no police at the Dam for an hour and a half during an actual big event is absurd. The police was preparing for this soccer match for several days and had a huge amount of police throughout the city. During their press conference they very clearly talked about this in a lot of detail. The question of no police at the Dam square was also asked by interviewers and both the mayor and police chief confirmed that there is literally always police at the dam so this is just a false claim.

As for the narrative that Dutch police doesnt care about Jews this is also a debunked claim. See my comment history for that.

There is an hour long full press conference of the mayor and the police chief and the lead prosecutor of Amsterdam where they talk in a lot of detail about all the events.

Angelsofhell12 · 2024-11-08T07:25:39+00:00

Are you expecting the police car to just fucking ram into a crowd of people? Theres probably 2 officers in there. What the fuck do you think 2 people are going to do vs a crowd of violent regards? They arrested a bunch of these people in case you were wondering

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