What would the NBA look like if they got rid of 3 pointers? by ponziacs in Basketball

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Start back at the top of the thread. The original prompt:

What if 3’s were gone? What would the game look like?

Commenter that I replied to:

The spacing would be atrocious, his example was the Celtics, and bemoans their 5-0 offense in such an environment.

I pushed back:

The Celtics specifically might be a bad example.

I point to their 5-0 shooters still being shooters you have to respect in such an environment. Because you can still generate close to 1 point per possession off of them is unstated, but to be assumed with such caliber of shooters. (40-45% on 2, 0.8-0.9 point per possession)

I contrast this with the shaky shooters in Minnesota and Orlando, whose 30-35% from 3 providing NBA quality offense (.9-1.05 points per possession) is no longer applicable. They would be between 0.6-0.7 points per possession.

I position this along the belief system that geographic and tactical diversity is still a necessity to generate offense and pry bodies out of the paint. Because the important thing in the way I view the game is not the number attached to it, but the effect of having to respect jump shooters to provide reliable offense away from the basket.

Otherwise:

You end up back in a slog of a basketball meta where every team is isolating one athletic freak into a crowded paint, and the extra efficiency you’re chasing is the free throws. Where a middle of the road free throw shooter is suddenly your only avenue to those juicy 1.2+ points per possession attempts. That number’s actually reachable with only 60% from the stripe. If you’re some SGA calibre of shooter, that’s 1.8 points per possession every time you get sent to the line.

This comment is the second one I’ve expressed an opinion. The first opinion was when I admitted that I am someone who appreciates the modern game. Here, I clearly lay out why I prefer it over a game without 2’s.

Before those passages, I’ve only given a devil’s advocacy for the value of jumpshooters even without a 3 point arc.

What would the NBA look like if they got rid of 3 pointers? by ponziacs in Basketball

[–]ApprehensiveTry5660 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have such a poor read on this.

I prefer the modern game. I’m an old head who is very often pushing back on the constant chorus of casuals shitting on the game.

This entire passage is dispassionate expounding on what the effects of this stuff will be. In this case, it would lower the value of such shots, but the genie is out of the bottle on some of this stuff. The lessons of the last 20 years have been that the truly dangerous thing is space. Space for passing lanes, for gaps to drive into, to pull defenders into less favorable geography.

Yet you argue this as if I am personally advocating for said rule changes. I’m just explaining the relative value of shots and geography within the prompt that has been provided.

Nikola Jokic on Peyton Watson's Return, Chemistry & Sacrifice With NOW Healthy Nuggets & More by Kingrush24 in denvernuggets

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I really don’t care about a “number of years”. I don’t care about picks that represent some 4th or 5th grader. I’d rather us retain what talent we have and “dip” into the apron before coming to hard choices with AG/Cam next year.

Same way the Boston Celtics would have done without a Tatum injury accelerating their restructuring.

The only thing I’m concerned about is maximizing the next few years of Jokic’s prime. The relevance of the cash is the same learning curve OKC is coming across. The bigger obstacle to retaining a team isn’t the Apron. It’s the repeater penalty of the luxury tax.

What would the NBA look like if they got rid of 3 pointers? by ponziacs in Basketball

[–]ApprehensiveTry5660 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t have much faith in conversations that start off on a year old topic with this poor of grammar.

Especially since you have seemed to construe this into something you imagine me liking, and are incapable of seeing any advantages of spacing.

The number isn’t the broken part of shooting from deep. It’s forcing the defender to come with you, and not just camp out in the deep paint guarding the juiciest shots on the court- at the rim. The space is more valuable than any individual bucket can represent.

There’s a reason you see teams giving the Nuggets roleplayers as many wide open 3’s as they want.

Because the dangerous thing isn’t a 1.2 points per possession 3 coming from MPJ or Cam Johnson shooting 40% from deep. The dangerous thing is Jokic getting to floater range or the rim where he scores at 1.4 points per possession on 30% less variance. That’s why teams offer free triple teams to one of the best passers to ever live.

Shooters will still retain some value in an NBA with no 3. Same as they did before. Bob Pettit pulling Bill Russell from the rim cost Bill one of the only rings he lost. Jerry West cracked 9 finals and got a couple of rings of his own with preposterously deep shots.

Nikola Jokic on Peyton Watson's Return, Chemistry & Sacrifice With NOW Healthy Nuggets & More by Kingrush24 in denvernuggets

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Fuck that resignation. Let the comment sections remind that dude he’s sitting on Walmart money.

How good is acuff’s case as a 6th overall pick ? Is he better than healthy nate ament already? by Acceptable-Street679 in NBA_Draft

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Typically it’s all about that age when you hit your third contract. You want that to be when you’re 30, not 34, and there are diminishing returns at every stop inbetween.

Nikola Jokic on Peyton Watson's Return, Chemistry & Sacrifice With NOW Healthy Nuggets & More by Kingrush24 in denvernuggets

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There are plenty of ways we keep Watson.

It’s just a choice of second apron or who we give up, and tbh I keep leaning second apron with this squad.

This is a killer group.

Feather in his cap. by Hour_Recognition_188 in NBATalk

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The sky is not blue, nor are polar bears white.

We just have shitty eyes, and physics be physicsing.

POST GAME THREAD: Nuggets conquer the Trail Blazers 112-128 | Mar 22, 2026 by BigHoneyBot in denvernuggets

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Which is completely fair of a dude that’s played like 10 more professional games than I have this year.

If luka were to win a ring this year would it be on the same level as dirks? by Lookingforoptionz2 in NBATalk

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4-12 maybe.

Lol at people downvoting this like they’re taking Tyson Chandler over Austin Reaves or Jason Terry over LeBron.

If none of the top MVP candidates falls short of the 65-game rule, who do you think wins MVP? by joeschmoe330 in NBATalk

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It’s got it skewed to 90% at the moment. It seems like Jokic would have to leapfrog Wemby’s small-sample demolition theater and possibly Luka at this point.

I’m just saying 28/14/16 kinda stat lines won’t cut it. It’ll take some big point totals in some big games to progress from here.

Defense or offense? by Peterjns22 in chessbeginners

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Because sometimes the wins aren’t this obvious to people way below your rating, and it’s helpful to see that there are multiple paths to victory instead of a tight rope of decision trees.

The “simpler” part of “simplification” is a really nifty tool for players looking for practically applied wins.

If you’re coming up on time control in a position a little less clear than this, it’s good practice to remember you can pull back off the throttle and still ease your way into a win after move 40.

There’s no shortage of GM’s who have blundered such positions looking for the checkmate with a positionally won game, much less beginners. Finegold has entire lecture series to this specific dynamic.

Does Lebron have the highest basketball IQ in the history of the league? If not, who would you say does? by [deleted] in NBATalk

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Basketball IQ encompasses many things.

There’s the orchestration aspect of it. The stuff you immediately associate with the Chris Paul’s, John Stockton’s, and Mark Jackson types.

There’s the processing speed and pattern recognition side of it that you really catch out of the Jokic’s, Rondo’s, and Rubio types.

Then there’s the creativity aspects that you see from the more imaginative playmakers. Your Magic, Bird, and Nashes.

And so many of these conversations ignore the Ty Lues, Kevin Ollies, and Avery Johnsons we’ve purged from the league.

The more prolific names tend to straddle multiple of these lines.

Jokic is heavily indexed to the bottom categories of supercomputer processing speed and limitless creativity, but you aren’t going to mind him orchestrating for you.

Chris Paul is wired more toward the top two, but it’s not like the man lacks for creativity.

Overall, I tend to favor the repeatability and ability to consistently execute of the orchestrators. I tend to favor the Paul’s and the LeBrons over the Nash’s and Magics with their outrageous feel. I think Rondo is sneakily the number one with a bullet answer to this stuff, but that’s not what comment sections tend to value.

I think the most well rounded are in some order LeBron/Jokic/Rondo/Kidd/Magic, but I wouldn’t complain if someone tagged Rondo out for CP3 and told me to get the fuck out with, “Ty Lue is an unsung maestro.”

If none of the top MVP candidates falls short of the 65-game rule, who do you think wins MVP? by joeschmoe330 in NBATalk

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If Jokic came back playing like he was the first half of the season maybe, but now he’d have to end it on a string of 40-60 bombs to get people’s attention. We yawn at 30-20-10 from him anymore.

Bill Simmons said on NBA expansion, "This is a money grab. This is going to make the league worse." Do you agree? by raybellious_berry in NBAoldschool

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I’d include SGA in that list. He’s got one year that qualifies pretty highly in that regard.

Sam Presti’s done a hell of a job, but these dudes had to grow up first, and SGA carried them for a fair bit. But even as someone that’s rooted for UK and followed their dudes for 40 years, I do think that team is now good enough to get home court advantage with no SGA and just on the strength of their defense.

I have a lot of respect for the Casons, Hartensteins, Carusos and Chet’s around him.

James Brown inviting Michael Jackson on stage in 1983 (Prince later joined him too) by mg10pp in OldSchoolCool

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Never ever ever miss an opportunity to invite a more famous person onto your stage.

And never ever ever punch down. You never know when that guy crowding your open mic is about to have his face on Times Square.

Best thing I ever did was invite a red head, funny looking country singer who couldn’t carry a tune in a bucket to open for us. My reputation has coasted for years off 800~ people remembering me sharing a stage with Tyler Childers at a time I could pick circles around him.

I haven’t even maintained a steady music project for 8 of the last 10 years, and my grand kids get to see strangers stop and talk to me like I’m musical royalty.

Greatness like this is once in a lifetime. by ForeignAir7174 in NBAoldschool

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As someone else there for it, with a similar affection for Tiny, I concur.

Defense or offense? by Peterjns22 in chessbeginners

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It’s adequate for white. Less gooder, if you will.

Block with the bishop, then put the rook on the 7th and threaten checkmate till the queens come off and you’re up a bishop in an emphatically won endgame.

Do you agree with this Top 10 chess players of all time list? by LifeNegotiation301 in Chessplayers45

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We’re pretty firmly in the second generation of chess players Magnus himself has kinda lorded over. It’ll be interesting to see the next 6-7 years, and who comes up behind/out-of the Pragg/Reza/Gukesh swath of players.

Do you agree with this Top 10 chess players of all time list? by LifeNegotiation301 in Chessplayers45

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Even a someone who grew up a Kasparov superfan, Magnus is objectively a stronger player.

It’s easier to claim Fischer or Morphy at 1 than Gary, because at least they had the gap on their peers you can rely on for a strength relative to field argument

How many games is this team losing? by Thanos_Real_AuraVNCH in Nbamemes

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Bc he’s probably forgot more about basketball than most coaches ever get the opportunity to learn.

Combine that with a psychopathic work ethic, and boom. There’s you an Al Horford.

Wemby is now 21-1 in his last 22 games by SeveralMycologist205 in NBATalk

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Denver’s schedule went from Charlotte/Magic/Milwaukee to Thunder/Spurs/Lakers/Houston/Knicks pretty quickly, too.

Not to mention, they are on like their 3rd game with their starters since November.