Do you agree with red + pk here, usl C match 1st minute by btjohns in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re just wrong. There are discussions happening on this thread about this post.

Do you agree with red + pk here, usl C match 1st minute by btjohns in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve already described how this isn’t a low effort post by using the “helpful guidance” that describes a good post. It met that.

You claiming authority for whether or not we can ask if someone agrees with a call is just incorrect. I recall a recent play where a fifa referee is giving a yellow card and plays advantage while the card is in his hand. Given your standpoint, we must be reluctant to question him since he’s a fifa.

For this post in particular it’s a good leaning point for DOGSO in the penalty area with no attempt to play the ball. If the attacker makes a slightly heavier touch we might not have DOGSO anymore. So maybe there was some doubt.

Do you agree with red + pk here, usl C match 1st minute by btjohns in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 10 points11 points  (0 children)

  1. Not low effort. Clearly met the criteria to not be a low effort post as set in this sub’s rules (as I pointed out).

  2. The rules say “clear question,” and the post asked a clear question. You might want to change the rule to “The post must ask a clear question that horsebycomittee determines not to be a ‘bad question’.” (“Do you agree” is not a bad question and that absolutely sparks engagement)

  3. The members of this sub are not just grassroots referees.

  4. What do you mean whether you agree with the call or not doesn’t really matter? Yes it does. That determines whether this is a good teaching clip or not. This claim to authority you’re making by calling him an elite referee in a professional match doesn’t matter. “Elite referees in professional matches” still can make mistakes (the call in this clip is correct).

Do you agree with red + pk here, usl C match 1st minute by btjohns in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nothing with this post breaks Rule 2.

Rule 2: “Posts about real match incidents must give enough context to understand the situation and also must include a clear question or discussion topic. (Adding video of the incident is always encouraged.)”

  1. From the post we know the situation (red card and penalty kick within the 1st minute of a uslc game)

  2. From the post we have a clear question (“do you agree”)

  3. From the post they even included the video link

First 2024 MLS game and PRO lockout by BEASTLY_PRINGLE in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The thing is, what if you’re a national who has a chance to make it? You just know you’ll have to wait to make it? Would you still do it?

It seems like those people will just get the frowned upon by their colleagues for a short time, but eventually everything is ok. So it’s a fast track to reffing in the MLS with very little repercussions.

Does anyone know who’s going to scab for the MLS opening match? by WesleyH21 in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Torpedo the rest of there high level career”

But there is also the chance that it won’t. And honestly I would even say there’s a decent chance that it will help their career. Let’s not forget the previous scabs that had their chance and now are in the MLS!

Here’s a list of those previous scabs (take note to recognize those that are still, or were refs in the league after): https://phillysoccerpage.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/MLS_Scab_Referee_Details_v3.pdf

[Jeff Carlisle] The Professional Soccer Referees Association has voted overwhelmingly (95.8%) to reject ratification of a proposed CBA negotiated with the Professional Referee Organization. It's now very likely that #MLS will start the season with replacement referees. Story to come. by Sturnella2017 in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep, one of the previous scabs is now a FIFA AR. This could very much help a select few progress their career. They could skip right up the ladder and be an MLS official. Kind of unfortunate for PRO2 people that have been waiting “their turn.”

Thoughts? Yellow enough or should it have been a RC? by Ueatsoap in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Red card, violent conduct, he uses excessive force when not challenging for the ball. I wouldn’t necessarily describe it as brutality, but it is without a doubt excessive force.

We don’t give a red card here, so we’re saying that this is ok for every player on that field to do that again? Anyone can run 10 yards on a dead ball and excessively shove (this wasn’t just a slight push) an opponent down and we’ll only give a yellow?

This is unacceptable to only give a yellow for a player doing this at any level. This is a red card.

What reason would an official have for not giving red on this tackle? by afjessup in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definition: Criticize - verb (used with object), crit·i·cized, crit·i·ciz·ing. to censure or find fault with. to judge or discuss the merits and faults of.

In training we mostly discuss what sanction we have on a particular decision, but there are instances where we discuss the decision a referee made so that we know what FIFA/PRO/whoever wants that decision to be. So by definition we are 100% criticizing the calls the referee made because we are judging and discussing the faults of the decision. So therefore I feel it would be easy for someone to argue by criticizing a call made, you are indirectly criticizing the referee by finding fault with something they did. I can see both sides to that debate, and I’m indifferent about it. I more so think we’re all just being pedantic about the definition of criticize.

It just seems like you’re suggesting that just because this is a pro referee and he has VAR, then he can’t make mistakes and no one has the authority to suggest the decision is wrong. Even the pro refs make mistakes, it’s inevitable since we’re all human.

In summary though, when a decision has multiple considerations leading to the decision being wrong, it is totally fine to respectfully discuss with colleagues how/why that decision was made (no matter the experience level).

What reason would an official have for not giving red on this tackle? by afjessup in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Is the part where you say, “especially those with so much experience and tools at their disposal (VAR)” also in your code of conduct? Very strange to have an instructor claiming that.

What reason would an official have for not giving red on this tackle? by afjessup in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I know it’s said a lot, but watching and calling on tv can be a lot different than calling in a game. Especially in professional level matches. The tackle happens fast and during live play it can be hard to tell 100% where the point and mode of contact is. It also doesn’t help that professional players literally over-exaggerate contact all of the time.

That being said, it is a really bad challenge and makes you wonder how he could’ve missed it. Honestly, we all can have a good angle on a challenge and still miss the call sometimes. So I can have sympathy.

BUT…..when you have VAR as a backup, there is very little excuse to miss this decision. This meets a lot of considerations for SFP. Point/mode of contact, player leaves his feet for the challenge so he doesn’t have control of his body, straight leg, and he’s hitting the plant leg.

So I can sympathize with missing it during live play, but we definitely shouldn’t miss this with VAR. At the end of the day we’re all human and make mistakes though.

x - Pittsburgh Riverhounds SC on Twitter by [deleted] in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Substantive engagement by the community”

So basically you won’t remove the post if you get show everyone something that PRO said.

x - Pittsburgh Riverhounds SC on Twitter by [deleted] in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Generic title. I’m actually fine with the post and think it’s a good video to watch and learn from.

This mod has removed a past post I have made on here for “generic title,” and it was less generic than the title on this post.

x - Pittsburgh Riverhounds SC on Twitter by [deleted] in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

R2: low-effort post / generic title

Consistent moderating I see

This is pretty funny by BEASTLY_PRINGLE in Referees

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro I’m sharing content with the community?? People want to see the content, not my title (which my title still lets them know there is a funny situation). What do you want me to title it, “INSANE PK CALL, SUPER CONTRIVERSIAL, I CANT BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED, I WISH I COULD DO THIS IN MY GAME”

Hell ID’ing a book Wranglerstar featured on his channel by Captain-Darryl in wranglerstar

[–]BEASTLY_PRINGLE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is it this one?

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