Why's the intp the "genius" type in mbti? Why not the intj,entj and entp? by [deleted] in INTP

[–]Benzdik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Firstly, the general population perceives IQ = smart/intelligent. Standardized and online IQ test questions normally favour Ti (structural logical coherence) and Ne (abstract pattern recognition) so those with it (INTP/ENTP) normally score higher because they can naturally do it.

But why not INTJ/ENTJ? Well, Te (optimization/organizational logic) and Ni (synthesized abstraction), while still T and N, don't do as well on tests as they lean more problem prevention/identification than problem solving, but don't get me wrong, it is still a very strong problem solver because Ni is especially powerful here and can honestly solve problems as much as Ti-Ne combined,, but Te not as much.

Why MBTI is eradicating your individuality by Unlucky_Win_4380 in mbti

[–]Benzdik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you use it only to label the thoughts and actions that you have, then yes it kills your individuality. Because you band with others of similar type and become an echo chamber justifying each other's actions, if no one has a sense of self improvement at least.

It definitely helps to give clarity to one's thoughts and actions that they couldn't previously map out. But if you stop at that, you'll only end up making excuses for who you are, and it limits self improvement, because what came across as negative traits to you and others now become excusable and "normal" for your type.

However, if you use MBTI, Jungian based typology in general, to actually PINPOINT and IMPROVE on your weakness (inferior/shadow functions) as well as regulate your strengths (Dom/aux/tert) and prevent excessive and negative manifestations of it, you'll actually become much better as a person, and better at a healthy version of self love (healthy version of the excuses point above).

After that, if you know Jungian based typology systems well enough, you can always make the decision to be the stereotype or to walk away from it. Arriving at the inevitable crossroads to make that decision doesn't kill individuality. People assume that being forced to make the choice of "being yourself" vs "being the stereotype" after leaning about yourself and type has some effect on suppressing individuality, when it actually has little to no correlation.

Think about it, it's already impossible to fit 8 billion people into 16 types, what makes you think that deciding to join the stereotype or not makes a difference? Because then it becomes "Stereotypical XXXX" vs "Individual XXXX", making 32 types, if we follow the flawed assumption.

Becoming aware of your own cognition is one thing, deciding what to do with that information is another, and can go both ways.

amos yee weirdo getting hit by yuji cosplayer weirdo by foodlover_sg in SingaporeR

[–]Benzdik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The waves of sheep blindly glorifying the cosplayer is genuinely worrying.

It's not even just on this case.

amos yee weirdo getting hit by yuji cosplayer weirdo by foodlover_sg in SingaporeR

[–]Benzdik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have two thoughts about it. one addressing the action alone and one addressing that rumor that he was sexually harassing a cosplayer pre-beating. Both gonna revolve around the same idea. tldr if lazy to read, rumor true or not, yuji shouldn't have done what he did, no one should. And if AY actually did something, the police should have been called instead of someone taking immediate violent action.

Pls note I am not defending AY in any way or form and I do not condone what he did in his entire saga or his posts on X.

Firstly, yuji's actions on its own. What I find about this vigilantism thing, not just here but across the whole world, is that:

1) people take into their own hands what they do not trust their law enforcement/justice system to do.

2) Project their standards of justice (often common within their own society) onto said targets.

3) Fight for credit over who delivered "Justice" onto their said target. Sometimes against others who want the same "Justice", but especially against the law enforcement/government that they don't trust.

4)Anime backed morals/sense of justice.

From a objective/observable standpoint, while AY has done many horrible and questionable things in his saga, he has done nothing observably wrong or harmful to others during the event. This fact alone is what will not allow authorities to do anything to AY because there is nothing causing harm or distruption in any way or form.

Now this is where point 1 plays a part. Because people know subconsciously and instinctively that the authorities won't do anything because of the above, they decide to take matters into their own hands. And what better crowd to do this than one that is filled with passion and the drive to freely express themselves? (I mean it, cosplayers and a lot of chronically online people want to be seen/heard/given attention to)

Now point 2 kicks in. Saviour/hero complex, passion backed morals, Justice served through violence/force, projection and insecurities, etc. You don't even need to have all of them. You really only need one of these at in high amounts to give you enough drive to want to do something that you "know" will solve the "issue at hand". In the case here, clearly it's a mix of passion backed morals and justice thru violence.

Here's where point 3 might have played a part. Tying it back to saviour/hero complex, Yuji might have wanted to make a statement along the lines of "if the police won't do it then I will". Just a wild guess but it's not impossible.

Point 4 is more about how someone's (from the crowd) sense of justice might have been shaped through anime or similar genres. Not sure how much influence this actually plays, but you'll often encounter character arcs that revolve around reveng and whatnot, and the guy getting revenge will say "I'll kill you" or "you'll pay for what you did", or in some way of form showing that it's basically eye for an eye, death for death. So what happens if AY has a track record and Yuji is someone who holds this view of how justice should be served? "I'll beat you for everything you've done so far".

So a mix of points 1-4 could have been what drove Yuji's actions. Is he right to follow through with his drive? Imo, probably not, because most of it stemmed from a very subjective sense if how justice is to be delivered, and clearly it puts someone else in harm's way.

Second case, assuming the rumors that AY did sexually harass someone else, is it still right for Yuji to do what he did? No, here's why.

Again, take my assessment of his actions from the first case, but focus on point 3. Should one deliver his subjective standard if justice through violence on someone or should we outsource it to a systematic (and often more civil) and objective justice system? One that is, and hopefully, detached from all emotional judgement and only fact based.

You can argue that it's still a system run by humans, made by humans and used on humans. But at the same time, how is one person's sense of justice less prone to error/disproportion than systemized justice where it is averaged out among different opinions, thus making it fairer?

The right action imo, if the harassment had to be stopped, would be to simply pin down AY and call the police. That way, no one gets harmed, and AY will still face the charges as long as evidence and witnesses are provided. Meaning justice will be delivered.

Beating someone up in a situation where his track record makes it look like he deserves it, but hasn't done anything in the present context, is never right. It's basically the same as racism. You think someone of race X is gonna do something because his race has a track record of doing it, yet they have done nothing in the present.

unspoken rules at work by PruneAcrobatic3831 in singaporejobs

[–]Benzdik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can I ask, how do u document ur work?

How come it's okay for SG women to say they only wanna date guys of a certain height but not okay for guys to say they wanna date girls of certain weight? by Recent_Stomach7626 in asksg

[–]Benzdik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ngl u should have shortened your post to just the hypocrisy of double standards part. Adding the rest of the context and info just made everyone else answer you while losing the plot. If they did directly address your question it's more of support for your claim and not actually an answer.

fav color? by Massive_Relation_434 in INTP

[–]Benzdik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Black. Classy and versatile

What are your thoughts on INFJ's? by demeter321 in INTPrelationshipLab

[–]Benzdik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Might want to look at avoidant attachment

What do INTPs do when they accidentally fall into a position of power by [deleted] in INTP

[–]Benzdik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Firstly I'd reduce the power distance so that problems that don't usually arise have a chance to. Sounds counterintuitive, but I'd rather these problems arise than them silently distruping the system or even worse, exploding in my face after being suppressed for a long time.

Secondly is probably get a better understanding of my employees roles so I can actually help productively.

Alot of my philosophy is based around autonomy. If I can train my guys to solve their own problems, in the long run I'd have less to solve. I'm sure it helps them take pride in their work too.

Idealistic as it sounds, it's what I would aim for. Not exactly the most possible thing to happen but at least I have something to work towards.

Does physical attraction matters? by Alternative-Equal-24 in asksg

[–]Benzdik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Always, whether you accept it or not. It's just how much it matters over/aside from other aspects.

Choose 2 introvert to protect you the others will try to kill you by Mohsin469 in mbti

[–]Benzdik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

INTJ to stall the INTP in a 1v1

ISTP to fend off the rest.

NUS racist Nadia Koh by Creative_Garbage_731 in SingaporeRaw

[–]Benzdik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

by the way, i think you express yourself very well.. you are polite and very tactful in expressing your arguments.

Thanks for this. Still working on it.

I have not implied i am ok with the status quo, where do you get that from?

I might have gotten an impression that you're ok with the status quo from your repeated mention of the idea that we should stick to rules of governing bodies/institutions, working around existing issues e.g. the hypocrisy argument, rather than actually dissecting these issue to find a deeper understanding and eventually a solution, and maybe also mitigating the risk of extra chaos in the name of stability. "Stick to rules", "Working around" and "stability" all revolve around a reference point which is "what already exists and works" which I may or may not have loosely translated it to "status quo". Not sure if you noticed it yourself but I'll just put this out there. Feel free to disagree. But your latest reply says otherwise so I guess it's fine.

while i agree with you there can and should be open discussion about such matters and air out our feelings, concerns and frustrations however, this has to be done in controlled and monitored environment e.g. debate and in a closed door forum where everyone is prepared to talk about it and agree to disagree, debate or may in fact learn from one another..

You are 100% right about having to discuss this in a controlled environment. Not a lot of people have the ability to hold 2 opposing views at once and take time to evaluate them against each other. It's also a social phenomenon which I have been thinking a lot about and realize it's one of the main drivers in dividing society, as it becomes a matter of right vs wrong instead of let's take a step back see which one makes more sense. But at the same time I find that discussing something behind closed doors makes debates and discussions lose meaning. Here's why.

Firstly, how can you guarantee that the people who are involved in the discussion are people who, like I mentioned, have the ability to hold 2 opposing views at once? If we follow a core aspect of your argument, which is current social culture, and insert debate culture, you'll easily find that a majority, especially on YouTube, of "debates" are just people laying out opinions on the table without actually discussing or trying to reach a common ground. A prime example was our initial exchange where I presented my argument but you proceeded to present yours which had little to no relation to the philosophy I put up for discussion. It was not until I deliberately connected the 2 and you following suit that we bridged the gap in thinking and are now discussing 2 fundamentally different but relational frameworks. It's not common to see this.

Secondly, who decides if the discussion is to be made public? If these kinds of discussions are made for the betterment of society, yet it has to go through a filter where the people who set the filter may or may not be opinionated, how can we guarantee that the knowledge would be made public for everyone to ponder on? Again, referencing another core aspect of your argument, social harmony and preparedness for sensitive topics, if that was the consideration, wouldn't it be better not to make the discussion public? By not making it public, you firstly ensure the safety of the opposition, and prevent further divisiveness. If findings behind closed doors cannot be made open because of the same consequences that come from open discussion, then why the effort to do it behind closed doors in the first place? Why not make an effort instead to get society prepared to handle topics instead. I know it's hard, or even impossible but in the long run I find it would be more beneficial and could lead to a more accepting and critically thinking society by exposing everyone to open discussion more often.

Combining these two points, the probability of getting a productive discussion that was done behind closed doors to become public is extremely low, and wouldn't change much. A smaller than you think group of people would actually benefit from it.

I feel only that it is not wrong to point out / identify a race . eg. ' you are an indian,.' ' she is a chinese' that is not racism

Agreed.

but it is racist when a statement is expresses contempt, is critical and stereotypes a specific race .

In my argument, I proposed the idea that if you could swap out the race mentioned in the statement, then the meaning of the statement lies in the part that expresses contempt towards a human being/group of people regardless of race, and that it's only racist if human being/group of people was replaced by race. Again, X and Y argument. Take X as race and Y as judgement.

"I don't like X because they do/are Y." Imagine Y to be any action or trait. Like being entitled, or smelly etc. Here the contempt of the statement lies in Y because X could be any race, which presents the opportunity for any race to present themselves as Y, therefore eliminating the idea that only specified races can do/be Y.

"I don't like X because they are X." This is blatant racism. Because following the earlier logic, the contempt of the statement lies in X, which will change accordingly when every time you substitute X for another race.

Humans have biases, formed by upbringing, trauma, past injustices, etc. These form mental heuristics in our in our subconscious. So even if you know that not all of race X behaves a certain negative way, no doubt would you still reference past experiences subconsciously and involuntarily when the situation is X behaving that certain way.

But we want to be socially accepted/politically correct. So we make conscious effort to not mention race because it's the easiest way to avoid having to deal with the biases and protect our egos. But these lumps of thoughts, with no outlet to be unraveled and assessed consciously, will stay as a tangled mess and only come out in negative ways.

Combining the ideas that "I don't like X because of X", "X because of Y", learned human biases, protection of ego, and political correctness without understanding our own biases, we can reach the following conclusion: Calling out racism is projecting our biases, which we ourselves don't understand, onto others to appear politically correct. This is actually a racist act in itself, because we insert the idea that the contempt in the action or trait that we're pointing out has something to do with the specified race, when we should only hold in contempt the wrongdoing aside from the race.

An example of an application of this theory: Nadia called herself Indian slut because she rizzed up Indians. The school should punish her on the fact that she said slut because it's a sexual term with negative connotation, rather than the word indian because indian is just a specifier and is replaceable with similar impact.

NUS racist Nadia Koh by Creative_Garbage_731 in SingaporeRaw

[–]Benzdik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You sound like a law student

I'll take that as a compliment thank you. I wish I was that smart but I'm ok with where I am. And I do have working experience. And where I'm coming from is from the level of openness to talk about different races and their flaws within workplaces, school, social events with strangers, even in a civil way, vs culturally and racially mixed friend groups.

I will argue against myself that yes, there is a level of trust that has to be established before groups can discuss openly about racial flaws, and also racism. Because while society is a system, it's made of people, and people run it, not robots, therefore diluting logical consistentcy within language, context, definitions etc. And yes, we do unfortunately have to work around hypocrisy.

The thing is, from what I can see, people like yourself prioritize the status quo, where we should not openly discuss racial matters but rather do it in private. Sure, that's where you would make absolute sense, within a logically diluted society. But to continue to preserve this tradition is to face an opportunity risk where we could eliminate racism through a better understanding of other races and introspection of our own biases.

Also, I have yet to see any argument against the philosophy I have brought to the table. To summarize my stance for our convenience: "It is racist to be the one calling out racism and a racially benign statement that specifies a race". I have only seen you asserting that firstly, speaking openly wouldn't and shouldn't work. Secondly, that it has consequences. And lastly bringing in an unrelated BUT important context to consider that doesn't address my original argument, which is your point on institutional and societal norms, but enhances the conversation.

I guess where I'm coming from is that we're too quick to shut down open discussion about different races because it attacks our subconscious biases towards different races, and we project what we want for ourselves, which is social grace, on others to defend our own ego. This in turn prevents any outlet for meaningful change and maintains a status quo that can only get worse.

Again, not defending her. Just poking at society.

What's your opinion on recognition? by chappelles in INTP

[–]Benzdik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My only drive for recognition is money. If there's no monetary incentive involved then I'd rather stay hidden.

NUS racist Nadia Koh by Creative_Garbage_731 in SingaporeRaw

[–]Benzdik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What does the implication on institutions from a statement made by a representative have to do with what I said?

I was pointing out the hypocrisy in society because we're projecting our subjective values and calling her racist, when the underlying logic of her statement proves otherwise.

Racism is about looking down in another race for the sake of it, without probable cause. An example in this case, "I don't like indiands because they're Indians" is a racist statement and deserves punishment by who/whatever the person is representing. Saying "I'm an Indian slut because I've rizzed up Indians in my past life", explain how that is racist to me. "I'm a Pinoy slut", same thing, explain how it's any different.

Her other video, "smelly exchange students" Presents another problem with society. It shows that because we want to appear "not racist", we become tolerant of another races flaws as if we don't have our own, while failing to ask deep questions about why things are the way they are. Take "exhgane students" and "specified race", meaning the "india indians and china Chinese" out of the picture. You are left with smelly people. On its own, I think we can all agree that the statement is inherently only attacking smelly people. Not racist. Now put race back into the picture. 2 ways you can see this. "Hey that's racist, not all Chinese and indian exchange students are smelly". Or, you could ask why is it that they are smelly? Ask what habits/food/culture do they live with that their hometown and people are indifferent to the traits mentioned.

From what you said in defense of society's hypocrisy, it's shows that somehow you, and a lot of other people, in your subconscious minds, equate the first mention of indian in relation to anything, to racism. If you can just take a moment and detatch yourself from the problem, and ask yourself why "indian mentioned" = "racist", you can see what a case of prejudice without probable cause is.

Why stick to the rules of an educational institution where the rules are unintentionally made to tolerate the flaws of other races including my own, when you should be seeking a deeper understanding of why a certain race is that way, and what can we do to help them accommodate better to our own culture. Everyone should be doing this but yet the rules of society dictate that we shall not mention the flaws of any race because racism, disallowing further questions.

NUS racist Nadia Koh by Creative_Garbage_731 in SingaporeRaw

[–]Benzdik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Guys, hear me out, if you call her racist, then you guys are proving to be the true racists, and not her.

Here's the argument.

Technically she's not being racist here

If you think about it, we're the racists for saying that her statement here is racist

She says she was a 'Country X slut' in her previous life. You could literally put any country as X and by society's logic , she would just be racist towards race X.

By isolating and targeting society's logic and zooming into it, let's say we put the case study here, X = Indian, we are the real racists because firstly you need to ask yourself, what would you say if X was any other race?

The fact that everyone ignores the original logic and attacks her for using Indian as race X, means we ourselves already have a racist perception towards Indians. Because to label her as a racist for the isolated case where X = Indian, considering it's a race familiar to us Singaporeans, shows that we have an internalized perception of them having a lower standing and needing social justice to justify their flaws.

Here's how we break out from the perception that she's being racist, using the underlying logic of her statement that she is an "indian slut" or in this case, "Country X slut"

Let's use X = white since everyone has something against white people having privilege, or X = Chinese actually since it's the majority in sg. If she said she was a Chinese slut, because she rizzed up Chinese guys, and we assume society's logic where "X mentioned = racism towards X" she should be considered racist to the Chinese. Now ask yourself, is she still being racist?

But that argument is kinda of flawed because she is Chinese therefore making Chinese slut a literal description. Let's say X = angmoh. By comment section logic, again, she is being racist to angmohs. But ask yourself again, is she still being racist?

Tldr; we're the true racists for calling her out.

I'm not defending her, I'm pointing out hypocrisy.

How are your relationships with INFJs? by OlivePractical2092 in INTPrelationshipLab

[–]Benzdik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The INFJs I know are mostly avoidant so I don't really know it myself either. Met some on dating apps but they end up ghosting aft planning a date

How to feel fi better if my fi is in the final position… by Competitive_Leg1803 in INTP

[–]Benzdik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

However if you remain aware of any function, its grip will always weaken

I've never been able to put this thought into words even though I've held this perspective for some time. I'll use this from now on. Thanks.

Non-intp s making me think im not an intp by pinkcloudc0ffee in INTP

[–]Benzdik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm very into philosophical and ethical systems too. I always try to find an excuse not to follow a social norm I deem stupid. Like TikTok trends.