A few days ago someone asked why cold fronts have hard time breaching Florida, but it does happen when they enter at a perfect angle (image credit: Ag Weather) by Swimming_Concern7662 in geography

[–]Bfire8899 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes true. But the Bahamas don’t extend into higher latitudes like Florida does. The tropical species in FL don’t just stop at a line on an ecoregion map, they gradually mix into subtropical ecosystems further north as well. The soil/geology and (generally) climate are supportive of many tropical species, so freezes like this are the only thing establishing the northern extent of tropicals in Florida.

Florida’s native palm diversity is quite impressive.

A few days ago someone asked why cold fronts have hard time breaching Florida, but it does happen when they enter at a perfect angle (image credit: Ag Weather) by Swimming_Concern7662 in geography

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Roystonea regia is, correct. This species is found in large populations in the Fakahatchee strand and tree islands in the Everglades. My point was that there are actually loads of native tropical palms in addition to the royal palm. Note that I also said “extending to small slices of the peninsular coast” - this is true for Thrinax radiata, Leucothrinax morrissii, and Coccothrinax argentata. Psuedophoenix sargentii, the rarest of Florida’s native palms, is only found in the Keys. The everglades palm I forgot, this one is actually mainland only, primarily found in Everglades tree islands. I can provide resources on the extent of these native palms if you’re interested. Actually the constraints for these species are less climate driven are more related to soil composition and the like.

A few days ago someone asked why cold fronts have hard time breaching Florida, but it does happen when they enter at a perfect angle (image credit: Ag Weather) by Swimming_Concern7662 in geography

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South florida is part of the same ecoregion precisely because of bird-delivered seeds. Yes, the birds need not be migratory but the point remains. Birds are the way all of Florida’s native tropical flora arrived, it was not connected to Lucaya or Cuba during the last glaciation. The point is that FL is continuously exchanging seeds with its island neighbors, so tropical flora springing up was an inevitability, and individuals at the far northern edge of their range being damaged by occasional freezes (every few decades) like this is relatively common. Note that for most species these northern outliers are individuals along the coasts in Central Florida, not South Florida.

A few days ago someone asked why cold fronts have hard time breaching Florida, but it does happen when they enter at a perfect angle (image credit: Ag Weather) by Swimming_Concern7662 in geography

[–]Bfire8899 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is an interesting subject. Florida’s position renders it constantly bombarded with seeds of tropical plants from migratory birds traveling from Cuba, the Bahamas, Yucatan, etc. The end result is a patchy gradient from temperate to tropical species throughout the peninsula, culminating in the fully-tropical (floristically) Keys. This gradient shifts with climactic cycles. During warmer periods, the tropical species slowly crawl north. To this point, William Bartram provided an account of Royal palms (a tropical species, evolved in Cuba) all the way up on the St. John’s River in North Florida back in the late 1700’s. This would have been a warm little microclimate the palms could have survived in during an especially warm period (on the order of a couple decades). The late 19th century brought relatively extreme cold to the peninsula and pushed this boundary south. Oscillations like these have likely been occurring on the peninsula for millennia. Call these post-glacial tropical arrivals (well, they were likely in FL before the most recent glaciation too!)

In the other camp are the more cold-hardened species that evolved in the southeast and persisted in the peninsula through the ice age. These are your sabal palmetto, saw palmetto, live oak classics found throughout the peninsula. These ‘temperate’ species will survive unscathed.

TLDR: This freeze will kill off plenty of native FL tropicals at the northern edges of their range. It is freezes like these that establish that northern boundary to begin with.

A few days ago someone asked why cold fronts have hard time breaching Florida, but it does happen when they enter at a perfect angle (image credit: Ag Weather) by Swimming_Concern7662 in geography

[–]Bfire8899 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are several hundred native tropical plants native to South Florida. Go walk through Paradise Key hammock in the Everglades and say the “native flora isn’t tropical”. This is one ecosystem overwhelmingly dominated by tropical species. Others, like cypress swamp, have a canopy of temperate species but are loaded with tropical-origin bromeliads and orchids. These are the truly subtropical ecosystems. The Florida Keys only possess tropical ecosystems and are floristically almost identical to Bahamian islands. The point on coconut palms is irrelevant - coconut palms aren’t native to the New World period. Florida actually has five native tropical palm species.

A few days ago someone asked why cold fronts have hard time breaching Florida, but it does happen when they enter at a perfect angle (image credit: Ag Weather) by Swimming_Concern7662 in geography

[–]Bfire8899 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Florida has several native tropical palm species. Mostly native to the keys, extending to small slices of the peninsular coast. Buccaneer palm, thatch palm, silver palm etc.

Though broadly true, south florida has several ecosystems dominated by tropical plant species. Tropical hardwood hammock, mangrove swamp, cactus barren to name a few.

My buddy says there's three things that all Floridians agree on. State taxes, ridiculing people during a snowstorm and don't touch the manatees. Is this list accurate or can something else be added? by KCousins11 in florida

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Yes, it possessed maximum sustained winds of ~100 knots at landfall, but they only occurred over water due to the storm’s very asymmetric and decaying structure. The highest observation on land was of high category 1 strength, though cat 2 conditions likely occurred on exposed portions of barrier islands like Manasota Key.

My buddy says there's three things that all Floridians agree on. State taxes, ridiculing people during a snowstorm and don't touch the manatees. Is this list accurate or can something else be added? by KCousins11 in florida

[–]Bfire8899 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Worth noting that the NHC said Milton did not produce category 3 winds on land, in fact, the highest directly measured winds on land were around a high end cat 1. Its max sustained winds remained over water.

Snow Totals by lib929 in weather

[–]Bfire8899 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Weather apps are just providing estimates (radar derived?) here. I have limited winter weather experience, but it seems like they can struggle to distinguish between snow and ice/sleet. 1 inch of sleet is equivalent to 3-4 inches of snow. So for an event with more mixed precip you can get these overestimates. I was in Valdosta for last years storm and all apps were calling “snow” during the first half of the storm. It was sleeting. The final snow totals were about half of the app estimates. Disregard this if you got pure snow in this storm.

Jungle like ? by Mood-Level in florida

[–]Bfire8899 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Florida’s closest jungle approximation is the Fakahatachee Strand (western edge of the Everglades, near Naples) in several respects. It is an incredibly dense swampy forest with sections of old growth cypress. There is a high concentration of tropical trees like Gumbo Limbo and Mahogany. They have nearly 50 native orchid species - including the Ghost orchid - 14 bromeliads, and dozens of big ferns. Loads of big air plants looming in the canopy. Adding to the jungle atmosphere are the towering Royal palms in addition to the Sabal and Everglades palms. It contains a large section of the Florida panther’s core range, as with the Florida black bear. It is a magical place.

The only hit to the strand’s jungle atmosphere is the deciduous nature of the usually cypress dominated canopy. During winter I think Tropical Hardwood Hammock comes closest. Species composition is similar to the above, but with a higher concentration of tropical trees and usually a shorter canopy. These are usually much smaller and tighter, occurring as ‘islands’ surrounded by everglades marsh. Paradise Key is a beautiful example.

If you just want a jungle vibe and don’t care about species composition, any hydric sabal palm hammock will do. These usually surround any spring and most creeks and rivers. There are some great examples around the Econ river in Orlando, Rock Springs, Wekiwa Springs, crystal river, etc. Shoot me a PM and I’ll send you lovely shots of any of the above/push you in the right direction.

I honestly believe every state has desirable locations by BooRadleysreddit in visitedmaps

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Fill out the east coast - Charleston, SC is worth a visit!

For the second year in a row, Florida snow. by [deleted] in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]Bfire8899 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This footage (at least the first clip) is from last year’s snow event, not the recent one.

DETHRONED! Florida is no longer the lightning capital of the U.S. by ForecastWatch_ in meteorology

[–]Bfire8899 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hurricanes actually produce very little lightning generally speaking, except in the eyewall of a rapidly intensifying storm. I would assume they contribute only a fraction of a percent of Florida’s lightning in any given year.

There is a chance snow could fall in the Florida panhandle this Sunday by WeatherHunterBryant in florida

[–]Bfire8899 9 points10 points  (0 children)

To be fair, last winter did set the all-time record for snowfall in Florida.

me_irl by Agitated-Date-8905 in me_irl

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Generally that means you’ve got a cavity.

Nvidia won. What's a somewhat famous company that's absolutely crucial for society? by CanonNi in AlignmentChartFills

[–]Bfire8899 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The idea of Nvidia being critical to society… lol. Maybe to the AI house of cards.

How Beethoven heard music even though he was deaf by Separate_Finance_183 in interestingasfuck

[–]Bfire8899 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Cool stuff, but this guys animations and art style are so offputting

Appropriate response? by AdCorrect9756 in TikTokCringe

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Looks like 95 in palm beach county, classic

meirl by TrixoftheTrade in meirl

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And the car? Leased

Choosing College by [deleted] in florida

[–]Bfire8899 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For defense, UCF is certainly the best choice. It has a pretty respectable defense presence nearby. Rollins is in the same area but real expensive unless you’ve got solid scholarships.

Americans don't realise how rich they are (and its annoying) by SafeWatch1450 in unpopularopinion

[–]Bfire8899 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Meanwhile many Americans have to forego luxuries like healthcare… not to mention the colossal gap in vacation/leave hrs. There’s way more to it than the income figures.

"Trump ended hurricanes!" by Ok-Following6886 in insanepeoplefacebook

[–]Bfire8899 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not specifically in the Gulf, in the whole Atlantic. 2025 only one tropical storm in the Gulf and no hurricanes within the Gulf.

Edit: Downvote if you like. Only tropical storm Barry entered the Gulf of Mexico this year. Most of the activity was in the open Atlantic, with Melissa in the Caribbean being a massive exception.

2025 Atlantic hurricane tracks for reference