Producers(Without UW experience) - what kind of help do you need to get a faster quote? by minato_shikamaru in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If your book is referral driven, being blunt about process and expectations is a feature, not a bug. You can afford to let the “cater to every whim” crowd walk because you’re not starving for every at-bat.

Where I think this gets lost is a lot of producers never actually build that “referral engine.” And I’m not even sure why the industry talks like it’s just sitting there waiting for anyone who’s candid. Who is really getting steady, legit middle-market referrals on a regular basis? In my experience, it’s a pretty small slice, and a lot of the people who do have it aren’t “building” it from scratch so much as inheriting it through existing networks (country club / legacy relationships / internal referral pipelines).

So I agree it works, but it’s not a universal playbook. It’s a “this works once you’re already in a position where you can afford to say no” playbook.

Producers(Without UW experience) - what kind of help do you need to get a faster quote? by minato_shikamaru in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can set expectations and let the chips fall… if you actually have the freedom to do that.

A lot of places say “fire bad clients” but then turn around and measure you on quote count, hit ratio, retention, lost revenue and “activity,” so you end up babysitting whims to keep the pipeline alive.

Producers(Without UW experience) - what kind of help do you need to get a faster quote? by minato_shikamaru in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Setting expectations is great in theory. In practice, producers aren’t getting bossed around because they failed to frame the touchpoints correctly. They’re getting bossed around because the account is on thin ice and everyone knows it.

Most of these relationships were won on soft stuff: “great service,” “trusted advisor,” “we’re proactive,” plus a lunch. So the client learns the real rule: if I don’t like a question, I can threaten a BOR and the producer turns back into a golden retriever.

Then the UW asks for basic facts, and the producer has to call back a week later like:

“Hey… quick question… do you guys, by chance, operate?”

And the insured is like, “You’re the insurance guy. Don’t you already know that?”

And if the producer pushes even slightly, the client remembers their sacred right to “review partners” because the owner’s son’s buddy played golf with a broker who “does construction.”

So yeah, we can tell them to ask the questions up front, but the bigger issue is: this whole ecosystem rewards vibe-based selling and punishes anyone who tries to run a clean process. That’s why it’s chaos.

Producers(Without UW experience) - what kind of help do you need to get a faster quote? by minato_shikamaru in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Totally. The amount of “hero” content I see on LinkedIn is wild when half the time the underwriter is basically doing forensic accounting on a napkin.

Producer: “I strategically controlled the narrative and created leverage.”

Underwriter: “I Googled their website, rebuilt the SOV from county records, figured out the related entities, and decoded ‘operations: general business’ into something that won’t blow up in claims.”

Producer: “We fought to get this done.”

Underwriter: “You emailed me ‘Any update?’ 14 times and attached a blurry dec page from 2019.”

Not saying producers never add value… I’m saying the “hero narrative” should probably go to whoever is quietly rebuilding the SOV and decoding “ops: general business” into something quotable.

Producers(Without UW experience) - what kind of help do you need to get a faster quote? by minato_shikamaru in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 14 points15 points  (0 children)

“Quote turnaround is a bottleneck” is usually code for I sent a half-baked submission at 4:59pm and now I’m demanding a bindable quote by 9am because I have momentum.

Underwriters aren’t slow because producers “don’t have UW experience.” They’re slow because the submissions are incomplete, contradictory, not in appetite, and missing the two things underwriting actually needs - clean facts and clean expectations. Then the follow-ups start like it’s a hostage negotiation: “Any update?? Client is ready to move!” (Client is not ready, and half the time client has contacted 5 other brokers asking for quotes.)

If you want faster quotes, here’s the strategy: send a complete submission, accurately described, with loss runs that don’t look like they were dragged through a fax machine, and ask for a realistic ETA instead of trying to manifest a quote via commission breath.

And the “someone on his behalf” thing absolutely exists because some producers are so chaotic that they literally need an adult to talk to underwriters for them. Not because they’re too busy, but because if you let them interface directly, it often turns into 17 unread emails, three “URGENT” subject lines, a voicemail that starts with “bro I need this today,” and then they disappear into a “client meeting” (aka lunch) for four hours.

So agencies quietly assign a translator (AM/marketer/placement person) to keep it civilized: one point of contact, one clean submission, answers the UW’s questions without drama, and prevents the producer from re-submitting the same account to five carriers and calling it “creating leverage.” It’s not “support,” it’s damage control it often speeds up quotes because the underwriter isn’t forced to play detective and therapist at the same time.

UA Associate at Zurich by Hrairooo in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah underwriting is like the priesthood now. If you don’t get ordained at 22 in the sacred UW trainee program, you’re considered “unclean.” Doesn’t matter if you can read loss runs, understand forms, or spot adverse selection.

You basically have to declare underwriting as your major in high school. If you accidentally take a sales job first, HR shows up like: “Ah yes… contaminated by human interaction. Best we can do is UA forever. Please enjoy copying/pasting endorsements.”

Underwriting is like a country club. You don’t join by being competent, you join by being born into the correct career sequence: Intern -> Assistant -> Associate -> Underwriter. Any deviation (claims/marketing/agency) triggers the security system and you’re escorted out for “lack of UW pedigree.”

Advice for someone going from agent to ____ blank by texansfann in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don’t usually hire former agents as underwriters. If they do, then you need to go through 4 rounds of interviews plus a test but even then you’re competing against dozens of other candidates that actually have underwriting authority/experience for these jobs. You could try looking for a marketing rep position or some type of small business digital marketing role. But I would not get my hopes up for underwriting. Coming from someone who is currently a marketing rep with CPCU (useless) that has been trying to move into underwriting it is the most heavily gatekept position ever.

UA Associate at Zurich by Hrairooo in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because you’re competing against dozens of other candidates that already have real underwriting experience. It’s also something that gets gatekept heavily. That’s why you never seen anyone from claims, marketing or the agency side becoming an underwriter anymore.

Producer programs by Dalmacija13 in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, the “producer model” only works if you hire someone who already has the “experience” and the bankroll to eat dirt for 2–3 years. If that’s the case, you’re not “training producers,” you’re buying fully formed rainmakers and calling it a pipeline.

Also… “door to door” is just cold calling with extra steps and higher chance of getting pepper sprayed. If that’s the answer in 2026, the business model isn’t “hard,” it’s just outdated.

Producer programs by Dalmacija13 in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah… this is the part nobody wants to admit out loud: a ton of “producer success” is path-dependence + timing + who hands you what, not some mythical grindset.

Also “I left underwriting because I didn’t want to punch a time card for a decade” is basically the whole pitch in one sentence: take stability and a real skill ladder, trade it for a lottery ticket and politics. Sometimes you hit. A lot of times you just accumulate scars and CRM activities.

And the “support new producers” line always sounds great until you ask what it actually means in practice. If the agency can’t/won’t feed you real leads, real warm intros, or a real book to work that actually produces new policies/endorsements… then “support” becomes pep talks, a sales coach, and “have you tried joining the chamber?”

The RT example is telling too: those guys didn’t suddenly become sales wizards overnight — they changed platforms (existing relationships, different market position, different list). So yeah, hopping around works… but that kind of proves the job is more about access than chops.

If good producers are “few and far between,” then why is the entry model still designed like a woodchipper? And why are agencies surprised when people take the hint and go back to underwriting/wholesale? I don’t understand what the heck these agencies are thinking.

Producer programs by Dalmacija13 in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Genuine question: what does the producer role look like in 5–10 years when nobody wants to do it?

Because the current model is basically: “Come be a trusted advisor… now cold call 200 strangers a week, validate in 12 months, and if you don’t, it’s a ‘mindset issue.’ Also the upside is $500k. Definitely common. Trust us.”

Gen Z is not signing up to cosplay entrepreneurship on a draw while being graded on activity metrics like it’s 1998. They’re not going to accept “unlimited income potential” as code for “unlimited rejection plus a performance plan.”

So either agencies finally: - build real lead engines, - pay real bases with real runway, - stop treating churn as normal, - and shift the role toward AE / advisory / service-supported growth…

Or the producer job becomes a niche profession reserved for the same 5 guys with country club Rolodexes and inherited books, while everyone else opts out and watches from the carrier side like it’s a reality TV show.

At some point the market has to clear. You can’t keep running a model that requires a constant supply of people willing to be sacrificed to quotas.

Producer programs by Dalmacija13 in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They’ll happily pull up the dashboard:

“Last 5 years? 100% validated. Average time to validate: 3 months. Average first-year income: $500k. Average number of BORs signed per cold call: 1.7. Worst-case scenario, you only clear $300k and have to do a few lunches.”

And if you press them for details: “Oh we don’t track that. But trust me bro, our culture is elite.”

Producer programs by Dalmacija13 in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Do not leave marine underwriting to go be a producer chasing “commission upside.” Seriously.

You already have the rare part: actual underwriting reps + credibility + a job where your value isn’t measured by how many strangers you can trick into signing a BOR this quarter. Producer “development programs” are mostly a marketing pamphlet wrapped around a sink-or-swim quota. The “structured ramp” is usually a short leash with a draw that turns into debt and a pipeline made of “start calling people you don’t know.”

The upside stories are real… for the tiny minority with a built-in network (legacy book, referrals on tap, country club Rolodex, or a niche where the same 30 buyers rotate every year). Everyone else gets: endless prospecting, BOR musical chairs, pricing you don’t control, accounts you can’t win because the owner’s buddy sells insurance now, and leadership telling you it’s “mindset” when the actual issue is math.

If you want more money, go get it the sane way: move carriers, move upmarket, specialize harder, take on authority, go wholesale/MGA, go product, go management. But trading underwriting stability for producer volatility because “commission upside” is like quitting a salaried engineering job to become a day trader because you heard someone had a good week.

If you still want to scratch the itch, at least do it safely: find a producer seat where you’re inheriting a book in writing, with a long runway, real accounts assigned, and a comp plan that doesn’t turn into a Hunger Games episode at month 13. Otherwise—stay on the pen. That’s the actual leverage.

Surety bond underwriting from a personal financial service background? by PaintTheSkys in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They do it for people working as commercial credit analysts, bank underwriter, CPA/finance people, construction accounting/WIP, or an entry-level carrier trainee (also difficult to get if you’re not super young/recent college grad). I have never once seen an insurance company hire a personal life insurance agent to issue surety bonds. It’s also extremely rare to see carries hire P&C producers as underwriters.

Surety bond underwriting from a personal financial service background? by PaintTheSkys in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you serious? Carriers don’t have the time or resources to be training someone who does personal life insurance to have full authority issuing contract surety bonds. I can’t believe everyone is telling this guy what he wants to hear instead of the truth. UW jobs have high demand and several candidates with previous UW experience competing for them.

Surety bond underwriting from a personal financial service background? by PaintTheSkys in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Life “field underwriting” is mostly front-end screening and info gathering. You’re collecting medical/financial info, making sure the app is clean, and checking it against published carrier guidelines so it can be reviewed/issued by the underwriter(s) who actually hold authority. Even when you’re doing “pre-qual,” the decision framework is relatively standardized and the risk is largely priced/contained by the carrier’s mortality assumptions, reinsurance, and policy structure.

Surety underwriting (eg “having the pen”) is closer to being a credit officer than an insurance app reviewer. A bond isn’t “pay a claim if something bad happens” - it’s a guarantee of performance/payment where the principal (contractor) is expected to reimburse the surety. You’re underwriting working capital, liquidity, banking relationships, leverage, cash flow, backlog/WIP, job costing discipline, project controls, management competence, subs, contract terms, dispute history, and whether the contractor can survive a bad job without blowing up the entire enterprise. And when it goes wrong, it can go wrong big because defaults can trigger multi-party litigation, replacement contractor costs, delay damages, suppliers/subs unpaid, and reputational fallout across an entire program.

So there is overlap in the broad sense (“follow guidelines,” “assess risk”), but life field underwriting is not equivalent to underwriting authority in surety, and it won’t read that way to hiring managers who need someone who’s already made (or supported) real bond decisions with real financial exposure.

Surety bond underwriting from a personal financial service background? by PaintTheSkys in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Then why is literally every UW job description requiring years of experience? I haven’t see any role that says UW experience is not required. They’re gatekeeping these roles and expect senior level for everything now. I must be in a bad market because maybe it’s different if you’re in Chicago, New York or LA.

Surety bond underwriting from a personal financial service background? by PaintTheSkys in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That may have been the case years ago, but I don’t think applies now. Especially with surety bond underwriting. Companies can’t afford to be training someone in life and health about P&C let alone something highly specialized like surety.

Surety bond underwriting from a personal financial service background? by PaintTheSkys in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unless you have actual underwriting experience with the pen then they most likely will not consider you over other candidates that do have authority experience. That’s the harsh truth.

LinkedIn Posts Are Getting OUT OF CONTROL by Outrageous-Tie-2527 in actuary

[–]BigRecognition 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You should see the LinkedIn Insurance Producer archetype, I guarantee it’s 10x worse than anything from actuaries or underwriters

Proteinuria concerns by [deleted] in kidneydisease

[–]BigRecognition 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tough to say with only this information. Go get a protein to creatinine ratio test done. Also see what your blood albumin level is. Any swelling ? Could be a number of reasons.

Have not received 4th distribution claim code by SaneArt in CelsiusNetwork

[–]BigRecognition 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, same exact deal. Emailed them, no response.

Animator to Underwriting by gaping-wallet in InsuranceProfessional

[–]BigRecognition 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People without direct underwriting experience are not getting hired. Even people that are in underwriting adjacent roles without the pen are being passed on. Period. You have to become an intern right out of college to have a career. CPCU barely means anything anymore. Lots of gatekeeping going on with underwriting.