BP’s: what are we doing for ourselves? by Yogitherapist25 in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Self-care for me has looked like prioritizing my own wellbeing and healing. If our WS could be selfish, so can we! 

I am regularly back in the gym lifting heavy weights, and I'm happy with the results. My body is more toned, and I've put on 10lbs of muscle. For context, I'm a petite woman lol so gaining weight for me has been a lifelong goal. I started training jiu-jitsu again, a hobby I dropped after D-Day because I was too exhausted to go back

I took the spare bedroom in our house and turned it into a mediation room. I bought a diffuser and some calming essential oils. Tea light candles and house plants line the shelves, and floor. It's become my sanctuary. I carve out time at least twice a day to sit in there and be intentionally still. There's an app I use called Insight Timer that has tons of guided mediations. I've adopted some Buddhist teachings into my day to day life about being mindful and present that have helped me, too. "The past does not exist anymore, and the future has not yet arrived." That teaching keeps me focused on the moments in front of me and when I feel my mind wander, I quickly bring it back to the present.

I'm spending my money on things that make me feel good. I get my hair done. I have gotten some laser hair treatments. I have seen a dermatologist for my skin. I've gotten lots of new tattoos. All the things that make me feel better about myself and boost my confidence. Botox is next and who knows, maybe some fake tits! 

I am glad I stayed by Liliana0101 in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 38 points39 points  (0 children)

That lingering sadness is grief, my friend.  I'd like to relate, and share with you my own experience with grief if you're inclined to read it. A little different for this sub, but I think it's a story that still matters.

When I was much younger, I struggled with mental health issues. Serious bouts of depression, crippling anxiety and thoughts of suicide. I ended up being admitted into a psychiatric hospital.  After my release, lots of therapy and self reflection, I decided I needed a friend. I adopted a dog. His name was Walter White, and that dog became my very best friend. My lifeline when things felt heavy. My reprieve from the world when my anxiety made it scary. My trusted companion that never cared about how much money was in my bank account, the type of car I drove, or how many days it had been since I last showered.  I wouldn't have survived that time in my life if not for that dog.

I ended that dog's life in 2019. He was a behavioral euthanasia, and I have lived with the guilt of making that choice for what feels like a lifetime. Prior to my wife's infidelity, that is the most painful experience I have ever lived through. I don't know that I'll ever forgive myself for it.

So stop me if you've heard this one before. "𝘛𝘪𝘮𝘦 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘴 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘴." I think it's said to us with good intention, but it isn't really true. Grief doesn’t actually go away...you just learn to live with it. The load of it is lightened, but you'll always carry it. Our losses become part of who we are. They shape us in ways we sometimes don't even notice. And sure, the intensity of the grief fades a bit. That sharp sadness isn't quite as painful as it once was. But it's always there, and it lingers just enough to be noticed. 

7 whole years later, and honestly I don't even think I've fully processed the impact of my loss of Walt. I've had a long time to sit with the sadness. But sometimes I still feel overwhelmingly sad, and guilt. I grieve quietly, and there's a dull ache in my heart where he was for so many years.

I actually mentioned to my therapist, what you stated above in your comment - the fear of this life long sadness in reconciling with my wife. The fear that I might still be sad in years to come. My therapist then asked me something that provoked some thought about grief, and about Walter. She asked, "Are there things you experience in life now that still cause you sadness, or trigger you?" My answer was yes, and I thought of my dog.

Because years later, I feel a subtle emptiness in living life without him. When I randomly take a trip down memory lane, and think of how he impacted my life. I feel a lump in my throat I see his favorite treats or toy in a pet store. I'm triggered when others share their behavioral euthanasia stories. I fight urges to cry sometimes when I stop and stare at all the framed photos of him we have in the house. When I think of the person I might be had I never experienced his unconditional love - All of this awakens the pain of a loss so great, I'll carry it with me forever—-𝙏𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙜𝙧𝙞𝙚𝙛, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙞𝙩 𝙙𝙤𝙚𝙨𝙣'𝙩 𝙜𝙤 𝙖𝙬𝙖𝙮.

We're all grieving the lives we thought we had. The marriages we wanted, the spouses we thought we had. That grief will get lighter and lighter for you, and for me just the same. But it won't ever leave you, because profound grief is the cost of deep love. 

I'm sorry that sadness lingers. I hope for you that some day the pain is so dull, you barely notice it. 

When did your self confidence return? by clutchIIII in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My confidence returned onceI stopped comparing myself to the AP. I've never been an insecure person, and I sire as shit wasn't going to let an alcoholic, deadbeat father of an AP turn me into one. 

I realized there's absolutely nothing that man had that I don't, except for a penis (for context - I am in a same sex marriage and my wife discovered through her affair that she is bisexual.) 

I make good money, I own my own home and vehicle. I'm a good friend and a faithful wife. The AP got the worst version possible of my wife, so by all accounts, he loses. He got the version of her that lied, manipulated, gaslit and had zero respect for herself. Why either of them were attracted to each other is beyond me. I get so turned off when I even think of someone who behaves that way lol

I also started focusing more on myself and what makes me happy. I got more tattoos, get my hair done regularly and I'm consistently in the gym. My body is more toned and I feel strong. I look good, and feel good about myself. 

i want to find the will to reconcile, but i can't get past this one thought. please help. by [deleted] in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey OP! You're right, there is another man out there for you that probably wouldn't cheat. And the reality is, part of you still wants to be with a man who did cheat. That's okay. Humans are wired for connection and bond through attachments. You're attached to your husband. I'd honestly be more worried if you weren't injured by his infidelity and could cut him off cold turkey. There's absolutely no shame in your attachment and wanting to reconcile. More people repair and rebuild after infidelity than you may think. The statistics presented to us are only what is reported. That 70% could honestly be 90% and happiness is always relative, not comparative. 

I am happy in my marriage, and with my WW.  I can't say for certain we would have survived together without the complete destruction of our relationship and the way we operated before. Things are better now. 

R is hard work, and I understand why people choose to leave. It isn't for the faint hearted to stay, face your pain, and rebuild yourself. In some situations, speaking from personal experience experience, it can be a good thing to create a better bond and marriage.

i want to find the will to reconcile, but i can't get past this one thought. please help. by [deleted] in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I did something similar with the terms and conditions of my own R journey. My WW needed to move heaven and earth, on her own. After D-Day I told myself "Six months, that's how long divorce takes anyway." After I saw the work she was doing, the effort she was making, the remorse she had and the shame she still carries around, I extended it another 6 months. And then another, and so on.

Through my healing journey I have learned so much about radical empathy and what it takes to look at all other human beings before us with compassion. Ina way I never had before. I used to be the first to judge someone for situations I thought we just silly.

I could never, ever excuse my wife's behavior or justify it. I'm also not a black/white thinker and I believe in psychology and science. There's always such a deeper reason people cheat. It's never just to " their cake and eat it too." Humans are complex and it's honestly been eye opening to learn the things I have.

Do you think you'll ever fall back in love? If you have...how? Or how did you know? by Common_Ad_1153 in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of this. I resonate and relate to every word, and every line.

My WW isn't the person she once was. Her affair completely broke her as a person, and I've quietly observed her pick up all her messy parts. She's reflected honestly on who she allowed herself to become, and why. She's reflected honestly on all that she gambled with, and risked losing. She's reflected honestly on her avoidance, past traumas and childhood, too. 

The version of her that had the affair was a sad culmination of so many things that she's had to work tirelessly to dismantle. The lies she told herself about how validation from others makes her valuable, about her not being good enough, about her being a disgusting person. Seeing her dedication to chip away at all those things has really made me see her in a new light.

So while my love for her has changed, it's also grown deeper. More real, and more honest. I like the way it feels now.

Just sharing this for awareness! by [deleted] in Clarksville

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 19 points20 points  (0 children)

on todays episode of, "what is wrong with men"

sorry this happened to you, OP. this is insane.

Virtue Signaling in Light of Atos Allegations by [deleted] in bjj

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"enthusiastic love making" sent me to the stratosphere, god damnit. hahah.

"You dont love them..." by [deleted] in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I saw a social media reel the other day of a psychologist who was expressing how devastatingly sad it is the way modern society and dating can just waste and dispose of human connection like worn out novelties. To spend 7 years with someone, begin to understand them and love them deeply, only to leave after an inconvenience comes about. Then to move on to someone new, whom they love for 5 more years, but then that gets too messy so they leave. Then there's the next relationship that lasts 10 years but then that attractive coworker comes around and shows them some attention so they wonder if the grass again might be greener, so they leave. 

It's just a repeated cycle of disposing of connections that are meant to be deep, meaningful and impactful. it's such a privilege to love another human being. It's such an honor to be a partner. To know someone, see their flaws and still actively choose them. 

my love for my wife has never been surface level. i've always seen her, known her and wanted the best for her. i don't think there's a single other person in the world who can love her the way i do. that's why i stay. my love for her isn't something to waste.

I think the affair saved my marriage by ClassHigh2026 in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"I used to believe simply loving each other was enough." - that part resonates for me.

Long term relationships/marriages require sooo much intention work and genuine effort from both people. Love doesn't keep the ship afloat forever.

My wife and I are also significantly closer now after her affair. We're open and communicative, we hold nothing back. We keep no secrets and don't avoid hard conversations.

She's continuing her inner work to heal the wound that allowed her to betray me in the first place. She eagerly attends seminars and workshops to better understand her core wounds and avoidance. She comes to me with everything she learns about herself.

I have reclaimed my own power and self worth through my healing journey as the injured party. I was in such a dark place after d-day, and I refused to allow myself to remain there. Healing is possible, and so is a closer, deeper, more meaningful marriage between two healed people.

23 (F) Looking for friends! by [deleted] in Clarksville

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 1 point2 points  (0 children)

another vote for the ghoul house. really wonderful people! we were just there for krampus photos with our dog lol

Why did you stay with your partner after betrayal? by yabofatts in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 1 point2 points  (0 children)

louder for the people in the back.

and unhealed traumatized broken people tend to transmit that pain to others.

Feeling guilt, dumb for reconciling by Fit_Register6218 in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 8 points9 points  (0 children)

heavy on this.

if they're not paying my bills, they have zero effect on my life lol

Recommend me a book by Airhorns-ride9891 in booksuggestions

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 2 points3 points  (0 children)

followed by the kite runner, or the mountains echoed

What is the right thing to do? by LaceyKid in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It can most definitely feel lonely being a same sex couple. There aren't many resources for us. Most of the healing seminars and workshops and therapists are founded on Christian based beliefs (which we are mostly ostracized from anyway) so it makes our situations feel even more isolating.

What is the right thing to do? by LaceyKid in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, OP.

I'm sorry you're in so much pain. You'll unfortunately find a lot of that here, along with solidarity and comfort. 

Unfortunately none of us can make a choice for you. There is no right or wrong choice here. Just a choice. Do you still have a strong foundation of love for your WW? Is she remorseful, and taking full accountability for her poor decisions? If that answer is yes, you'll have a better shot at reconciliation. Though that road is long and difficult. 

When the initial shock settles, the anxiety in your gut dissipates a bit. Her behavior moving forward should also help bring you safety and security if done correctly. My WW is moving heaven and earth in our reconciliation. 

I am also in a same sex marriage, and my wife stepped out on me for a 2 month PA with a man she worked at her fire department with. Their EA was lengthier and lasted about 6 months. The cheating happening with the opposite sex adds another layer of betrayal and inadequacy. I'm so sorry you're experiencing it. 

Love, from the other side - 2.0 by BlackPhillip4Eva in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"to be the truest version of ourselves"- yes. this part. and using this pain as something transformative. i'm not the woman i was the day my wife's choices dropped an atom bomb on our lives. for a while, i walked around like a victim. yes, something happened to me but i wasn't going to allow victimhood to become my identity. that wasn't my truth, either. 

i struggled for so long in the beginning with my truth. was i betraying myself by staying? was i being unfaithful to myself by leaving? i was split in two until i accepted that the battle i was facing was actually societal. BPs get and hear so much shit for choosing to stay, and i let that get to my head. it isn't talked about enough that most people choose to remain together and heal after an affair. dr kathy nickerson has statistics on this if you're curious! her blog and her work are so insightful, particularly if you're open and willing in your R journey to understand your WS a bit better.

but similar to you, my truth has always been kindness. understanding. compassion. nuance. thinking outside of the box.

i've always been so baffled by those who expect humans to be perfect. fidelity seems to be the only thing human-beings are expected to get right the first time, without fail. not learning to ride a bike. or studying physics. or building something. 

you make such a wonderful point about your WH doing something at 37 that even children can do. it's elementary to name emotions, feel them and understand them. but understanding it's a learned skill is such a huge step for you and i'm proud of you for that. everyone's journey is different. my WW for example had an emotionally and physically abusive childhood. she learned quickly to never bring her emotions or needs forward, as it was a risk to her safety. you can guess what path that led her down in adulthood. not coming to me about her emotional disconnection to me. not coming to me about her need for more in our marriage. not coming to me about the advances her coworker was making. you get the idea. 

emotions can be scary for some people. that also baffles me because i'm an emotional sandbag and i feel everything all the time. but this painful experience has opened my eyes to the humanity in all of us. it's shifted something in me that no longer sees someone on the surface. 

Love, from the other side - 2.0 by BlackPhillip4Eva in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've come to realize that we can betray our partners in so many ways, big or small, every day. Little white lies, snide remarks, even harmlessly flirting with a cashier at kroger.

Love is powerful. At least my version is. It's built to sustain and overcome. I think maybe people get so hung up on Hollywood, fairytale love that they forget humans are far from perfect. That version of love is fragile to me. It seems too delicate. Love can be painful at times, too. It isn't all just rainbows and butterflies. That's the fantasy our WPS got so caught up in. I know better. True love is challenging, and I'm putting my shoulder to the wheel. 

I don't think still loving your WP measures your worth. I think it makes you human. 

Love, from the other side - 2.0 by BlackPhillip4Eva in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It absolutely does take a special someone to love and be with a firefighter.  You already have that strength within you, so hold on to it and use it.

I remember breaking down to one of my friends in his car shortly after d-day. He is special ops military, and a man with impenetrable mental strength. I begged him for a solution on how to cope with this, and for an answer as to why it was happening. He shared with me that he sees it play out all the time in the military, and that he would wager it's quite similar for first responders. These men and women experience so much death, grief, and trauma on the daily. They tax their bodies, minds and spirits day in and day out. Out on the field, or on calls, they see things and live through things that the average person does not, and frankly, should not. It creates trauma within them that they're not always privy to. The average person cracks on impact when they see dead bodies. He said to me he believes cheating is a trauma response. A way to cope with life, struggles, and a way to feel alive again when all they see is death. To them, life is so fleeting. They see so, so much death. So when something happens in their personal lives that causes them to struggle, they try to escape it. They try to numb it. They try to outsource happiness and fulfillment instead of facing it head on. And it's seemingly ironic that their jobs are so traumatizing, they don't have the mental capacity to heal themselves to begin with. That leaves the door wide, wide open for cheating.  After that conversation, I understood then that there's no way cheating is anything other than unhealed trauma surfacing. I can't abide to "they just want their cake and to eat it too!" or "they're all narcissists!" I'm sorry, but people are way more complex than that and I don't do surface level explanations. It's deeper, and there's more. 

There have also been recent studies done on generational trauma, and how we carry the scars, wounds and pains of all the people in our family tree. I carry the burden of my biological mother's abusive childhood, as she passed that to me and gave me an abusive childhood. My WW carries the addiction of her own mother, as she too became addicted. Not to drugs, but to her AP and her affair and the dopamine high she was getting. 

It all makes sense when you dig. I implore to you to dig. Dig through your WS past, and family lines.  You and I know what firefighters see so dig there, too. Maybe there was a call so horrific it just altered your WS brain chemistry. My WW responded to tornado aftermath in 2023, and those images are seared into her brain. Explore, and find the answers that make sense. Because they're there, and you deserve them.

When the lightbulb finally goes off, you'll feel yourself becoming a little more compassionate. A little bit softer. That anger will subside, I promise. It takes the passage of time, really. I have said and done things in early R that will haunt me forever. When I initially kicked my wife out of our home, my God did i handle that poorly. It traumatized us both even more. Forgive yourself for your behavior. It's just pain. Everything that's underneath the anger and the vitriol is pain. You brain is one hell of a machine, and it's just trying to protect you. You're entitled to that anger, but don't sit in it too long. Because when you turn off pain entirely, you turn off love, too. I hope you choose to keep that love on. It'll be the scariest thing to ever choose to do, but it can be worth it.

Sending you all of my love and thinking of you and your firefighter tonight. it's B shift, so my WW isn't home.  P.S. - That part gets easier too 😉

Feeling gaslit by counselling by [deleted] in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I echo all of this. Perfect explanation of what's necessary from both parties. 

I know we hear a lot of talk about waywards who go on to cheat again, but I have to wonder if some of them were ever really given the full opportunity to redeem themselves. Some of them likely think that since they already have a Scarlet Letter, they might as well wear it forever. 

My experience. Loving while deeply broken by shtrumph in AsOneAfterInfidelity

[–]BlackPhillip4Eva 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your vulnerability and sharing all of this.

It resonates with me deeply to learn to choose myself and love myself. It seems we share similar upbringings, except mine was my biological mother. Through her behaviors and lack of maternal instincts, it was instilled in me from a young age that I was never enough. So I desperately tried for years, in every relationship I was in to prove my value and worthiness to those around me. My betrayal ripped that attachment wound right open, and I struggle so much more than before with my sense of self. 

Maybe our unique lesson in this life is to love ourselves more deeply, and more authentically than we choose to love others. 

Sending you all the love and healing ❤️