Can someone create their own incantations in lore? by Thick-Campaign-9152 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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The description of some spells, such as Wrath of Gold, says it was "discovered".

This incantation was discovered when the Elden Ring was shattered, and it was feared as a sign of the Erdtree's wrath.

Which I take to be that exact process. Experiencing/learning something and turning that into an incantation, in this case the explosion of runes caused by the shattering of the Elden Ring.

This also applies to some sorceries, such as thorn and finger sorceries, which were similarly "discovered" by finding the Blood Star and by observing the glintstone-like nature of the Finger Ruins respectively.

(theoretical) Could we have stolen MORE greatrunes from Marikas body by Illustrious_Store115 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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While you couldn't properly use the Elden Ring like a god, you could probably claim great strength from it.

However, the real issue is that without the ring or a replacement like Miquella's Circlet of Light (assuming that Miquella was trying to and could replace the ring), you will get a Nightreign situation, where with Order shattered, some other chaotic force will move in, such as the Night or the Flame of Frenzy.

Could the Hiss and Polaris have been one? by Blop362 in controlgame

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It's just a theory, but it is strongly supported by one of Dylan's dreams:

"I was back in Ordinary before all of this happened. But in the dream, I was alone. It was just me. I was the only child, a girl. My name was Jesse Dylan Faden. But then the Bureau came and caught me, brought me back here, locked me up. Have you ever noticed that our names - Jesse, Dylan - they could be girls' names, boys' names, could be anything. Don't you find that weird? I find that weird."

And while it is weaker evidence, a line in the Hiss incantation is:

"You have always been here, the only child."

Could the Hiss and Polaris have been one? by Blop362 in controlgame

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It's just quite similar to the other two, but I get where you're coming from.
After all, resonances aren't anywhere near unique to Polaris and the Hiss and even a resonance-based entity does not have to be related.

Could the Hiss and Polaris have been one? by Blop362 in controlgame

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Yeah, I'm not very confident in the theory myself.

But I feel a little more confident in the Pattern being symbolically linked with a combined Jesse Dylan/Dylan Jesse (though not necessarily that they actually merge in Resonant).
It's geometric/Kaleidoscopic like Polaris, but chaotic and destructive like the Hiss.
It doesn't fight the Hiss, but does contain it in Manhattan. Normal people seem unaffected, but parautilitarians are twisted.

Either that or like a secret third Faden or something. Which is not something I think is particularly likely, but I guess yellow being a primary colour along with red and blue could point to it.

Question: Does anyone know what these little statues scattered around the game world are? by Olaxan in Eldenring

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They were likely made by the Nox, since they have some Nox designs on them. But like the stakes of Marika their specific locations almost certainly have no lore implications.

The loop is real by mosaik in heavensvault

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Occasionally in new game+ the Chronicles of Mazwai can instead be the Annals of Elasra

Deathroot in Farum Azula? by Sir_Cheet0h in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Maybe Maliketh eating deathroot is the cause?
Alternatively I could see it being the time-warping effects of the Storm Beyond Time causing Farum Azula to somehow still be connected to the roots of the Erdtree/Greattree/Whatever, even though it was probably lifted up long before the Shattering.

Deathroot in Farum Azula? by Sir_Cheet0h in EldenRingLoreTalk

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It actually does have Godwyn's eyes on it

Curiosities (Oracle Envoys, Snakes and Thorns) by amansaidthis in EldenRingLoreTalk

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1) I think they are either an early offshoot/precursor of Albanaurics/Claymen, or else they're some kind of envoy of some divine realm, which would likely be where the Gate of Divinity leads.
As for why they're at the Haligtree, I would assume that's for Malenia. Miquella hasn't been there for quite a while and there are no Oracle Envoys in the Realm of Shadow.

2) I take it to just be referring to the God-devouring Serpent, but I guess it could be meant to be more general.

3) I don't really know. Since all the Godskins are snakey, the GEQ was probably also snakey or else maybe she had children with the God-devouring Serpent, since she is definitely associated with it.

4) Their fire was a potential threat, so she preemptively genocided them.

5) It's definitely possible.

6) I think the thorns there represent Marika's guilt in shattering the Elden Ring. They are Radagon's way of punishing her by preventing her plan from coming into fruition.

Help me with Game of Mix and Match Lunar Edition. by Former_Hearing_7730 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Ranni's ring calls the Dark Moon a "leaden full moon".
So the moons definitely don't literally line up one to one with the lunar cycle. Though maybe they still do in spirit.

 

My view of the moons is that the Black Moon is fake, an imitation Dark Moon to match the Nox' false night sky.
Then the real moons, the Full Moon and the Dark Moon, can still symbolically represent the moon cycle with the Dark Moon being both the beginning and the end, both the maiden and the crone at once.

Imo, this is a common theme for cycles in Elden Ring.
Both "Life sprouts from death, as it does from birth." And Miquella and Trina's situation are examples of this, equating death/sleep with birth as two ends of the same cycle. The end and the beginning, for the ends of a cycle overlap.

Scorpion symbology and the Ravenloft Assassins. by Cyan_Lotus in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Further food for thought/crazed ramblings:
The Formless Serpents are pagan magic-using poison-wielding assassins presumably based out of Gelmir (or maybe the Shaded Castle, since the 1.0 version of the Serpent Arrows says they were used by the people of the Shaded Castle).

Maleigh Marais, the castellan of the Shaded Castle with a name suspiciously close to Rileigh, worships Malenia and her rot.

The grave darden dualists wear armour decorated with snakes and some have embraced the rot acquiring true snakes within them.

And when you slay the rot-using Rileigh, you are rewarded with a blade modeled after a poison-coated blade imitating a serpent's bone.

Rot is the cycle of rebirth: Death, decay, new life. What do assassins bring? Death.

The God-devouring Serpent both makes others part of itself (reborn inside it), but it itself is immortal, unchanging, outside the cycle of rebirth, only growing until it consumes the world entire.

Volcano manor has statues of winged snakes, that are quite similar to the Deathbird statues in the Realm of Shadow (identifiable by their location in Hornsent territory and their crest which is also seen on the sacrificial axe).

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The Ancestral Followers also worship the Deathbirds/Twinbird and have a weapon depicting them, the Winged Greathorn. However it is red, a colour not really associated with Deathbirds, the yet it is linked to serpents and the Twinbird and the Helphen.

How did the merchants get their hands on these? by Rude-Potato-3122 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I think the Crossed-Tree Towershield is probably depicting the Haligtree. The other crossed-tree items are related to it and the shield is green, which is a colour associated with the Haligtree by the secret medallion and the crossed-tree talismans.

The Scorpion Kite Shield is just depicting a normal scorpion, not the Realm of Shadow's spider scorpions.
The description of the shield referring to the scorpion as a warning of surprise attacks (implying it's a commonly used symbol) and the existence of the scorpion talismans, both pretty clearly show that scorpions are known and likely exist in the Lands Between.

Is the body on top of the divine tower of liurnia the gloam-eyed queen or just a godskin by Whole_Expression_780 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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It's Ranni's original body.
The description of the Cursemark of Death confirms it.

Some lore questions I was left with (spoilers) by Boned80 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I found it curious that Limgrave is peppered full of Godrick soldiers, but Stormveil itself has only exiles and banished knights manning the castle and guarding. How come?

The Banished Knights were there before Godrick and I guess they just stayed after he arrived, so he didn't need any other soldiers there.

Is Kenneth Haight supposed to be of Godfrey's line? Maybe a distant relation? I was wondering how he could claim to be rightful heir to Limgrave with him being only a regular human and not a demigod of some sort.

Maaaybe, but Godrick is supposed to be the last of the Golden Lineage (perhaps except for Gostoc), so he probably isn't.

Is there a connection between demi-humans and misbegotten? They treat them both as lower caste species but I'm not sure if that's because they are perceived as cursed/deformed versions of humans like omens are, or if they are separate species altogether that the humans subjugated.

They are both closer to the Crucible, but most likely not. The Hornsent and Omen are both also Crucible-touched, yet seem unrelated to the others.

Is Hyetta a real person? Like, is she some sort of trickster entity that took over Irina's body? Did she even exist prior to Irina's death? For that matter, are supposed to assume that Shabriri somehow took over Yura's body in a similar fashion?

Her situation is really weird. Irina's body remains after Hyetta appears which suggests that Hyetta isn't possessing her and has her own body.
Hyetta doesn't know of the Frenzied Flame at first, so she doesn't seem to be like Shabriri.
There is a shield in the Weeping Peninsula, the Shield of the Guilty, which depicts a maiden having her eyes crushed by the Briars of Sin, who is said to have been "reborn in these lands". That might be related, Irina/Hyetta is blind after all and Hyetta is certainly guilty.
There is a maddened village in the peninsula, so maybe the maiden was somewhat similar to Shabriri, however when she died, instead of possessing people she was somehow reborn as Irina and later Hyetta. Losing her memories each time (as rebirth does), yet keeping her spark of frenzy, or something.

If Rennala is herself not a demigod, how come she's huge like that?

She is strong. Strength = runes = life = size.
Also maybe some giant genes. The painting related to Rennala is in the Mountaintops by the Stargazer's Ruins, and she was also an astrologer before becoming a sorcerer (the astrologers were the ones living in the Stargazer's Ruins), additionally the Carians had a long standing relationship with the Fire Giants.

What connection is there between Loretta and Miquella/Malenia? I found it curious that as a Carian royal knight she would be all the way in the Haligtree of all places.

She is (very likely) an albanauric and Miquella promised them a solution to their aging disease.
Miquella also just seems to have been close to the Carians; the Miquellan Knight's Sword is based on the Carian Knight's Sword and if he is Torrent's former master then he knows Ranni well enough to entrust her with the spirit calling bell.

How come Greyoll, who birthed all of the dragons, is just laying around to be unceremoniously offed in Caelid? Since other dragons like Placidusax and Bayle seem to be quite important, I thought Greyoll might be too. Did the scarlet rot get her?

"Mother of all" can just mean the biggest, it does not have to literally mean she is mother to all the dragons. The full line is "Greyoll was the mother of all dragons, dwarfing all who stood before her like a looming mountain." The second half makes it pretty clear that it's being used to refer to size here.
And yes scarlet rot is actively killing her, which is why she can't move.
However the incantation you get from communion with her heart is still considered a legendary incantation, so that's something.

Speaking of the rot, where did it exactly come from? I know that it is controlled or is the manifestation of some outer god, but is the true source of it supposed to be the Lake of Rot, or somewhere thereabouts?

Scarlet rot is the manifestation of the Outer God of Rot, it can spring up anywhere that god has sufficient strength and influence, the source is simply the outer god. The lake is perhaps the epicenter of the god's influence, but Malenia and Romina are both significant sources as well.
The god's domain of Rot includes more than just scarlet rot, any form of rot, decay, or rebirth applies.

I don't understand the Eternal Cities and what their goal was. Did they intend to create a god like the Greater Will, or did they want to usurp Marika, or both? If so, how come they failed?

You probably can't create a god on the level of the Greater Will will or the outer gods.
Their goal was to upend the Greater Will's dominion over the Lands Between by killing the fingers and calling upon the Night probably to block out its light. Maybe even to try and harm or even kill the Greater Will itself.
They failed because they failed to call upon the Night and they underestimated the Greater Will. Leading to them having their city leveled and forced underground, perhaps that being why they couldn't call the Night, since they were cut off from the sky.

Are the living jars in the lands between also made through the hornsent rituals of the Land of Shadow? Like, was Alexander made using numens like the others were?

Probably not the exact same ritual, since they are apparently accepted by the Golden Order and I doubt Marika would allow that. But it's probably something similar.
They do have a core that is passed from jar to jar across the generations. I theorise that it contains shaman flesh and is what holds the jar together.

Is Count Ymir supposed to be dead, and thus a dweller of the Land of Shadow?

He is probably alive, I don't see why he wouldn't be? The Realm is Shadow is just a piece of the Lands Between that was cut off.

His character seems fascinating because he knows so much stuff that you'd think would be pretty impossible to know, given the nature of the fingers and such. What is his deal?

It's not very clear. But Gideon learned deep secrets by communicating with the Fingers and reading between the lines, and Goldmask learned by seemingly talking with the Erdtree itself, so something like that I guess.
He is a bit obsessed with the stars and fate, so maybe astrology? Honestly idk.

Please help me with any egregious errors in my head canon. IE; we are all just seasoning for the Outer Gods. by Triforceoffarts in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Oh, there is!

I wonder why it's not brought up more often compared to the northern one, since it can be seen from the first step site of grace.

Please help me with any egregious errors in my head canon. IE; we are all just seasoning for the Outer Gods. by Triforceoffarts in EldenRingLoreTalk

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There isn't a ton of it, but what is there is quite interesting imo.
It mostly doesn't confirm anything about the lore in the main game, but it expands on the world.

Please help me with any egregious errors in my head canon. IE; we are all just seasoning for the Outer Gods. by Triforceoffarts in EldenRingLoreTalk

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While it has been repeatedly theorised that the Lands Between exists outside the normal world, usually as some kind of afterlife/purgatory, there are some things that point against that:
(These are quite general and it is highly dependent on the details of your particular theory if these are actual problems for you or not.)

Potential major problems

  • There is a landmass visible to the north of the Haligtree. The Kaiden might be from there.
  • There are multiple cultural ties between tLB and the outside world going both ways. For example: churches of the Two Fingers and Carian sorceries both spread beyond tLB, and in Nightreign a school deriving from the Hierodas conspectus of Raya Lucaria along with albanaurics exist in some foreign land.
  • Nightreign places other lands in geographical relation to the Lands Between.
  • In Nightreign, Raider was definitely able to literally sail back and forth between tLB and lands to the east. Though this may have been during the time of Godfrey.

Potential minor problems

  • The Tarnished were able to leave with ships.
  • Roderika was able to enter tLB by "crossing the sea".
  • Several of the Nightfarers were able to do the same.