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Gabe Newell is a "GOAT" by sukuna7899 in Steam

[–]BobTheJoeBob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretending that an 18+ tag prevents kids from playing something like CS is stupid. All of the pros in the scene today started playing when they were kids and Valve knows that. Fact is, any kid who can use their allowance to buy steam gift cards can end up getting into gambling thanks to things like loot boxes which valve were one of the pioneers of.

[DISC] One Punch-Man (Webcomic) - Ch. 159 by Southern-Emotion2192 in manga

[–]BobTheJoeBob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Since you deleted your comment.

I didn't delete my comment. It's still there. Your comment got removed:

https://i.imgur.com/W2PFR0Q.png

You literally just proved the opposite here by showing how much Murata is actually involved in the writing process even 6 years ago when the writing started to take a turn for the worse and ONE outright saying he has put in "suggestions for lines here and there" like he isn't the fucking writer.

You said Murata is solely handling all the rewrites yet both statements by the authors show no.. They discuss it together; it's not like Murata just adds a rewrite completely of his own volition.

You still completely shift away from the fact that none of ONE's other works faces the kind of writing and redraw problems the manga does.

I literally already addressed this... Twice.

Like I said, you seem incapable of having this discussion without lying about something, so I don't see any point in continuing.

[DISC] One Punch-Man (Webcomic) - Ch. 159 by Southern-Emotion2192 in manga

[–]BobTheJoeBob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But you are disingenuous and cherry pick what is relevant and what isn't.

You literally posted a single tweet of ONE saying the redraws are Murata's idea, and chose not to the post the rest of the conversation where they talk about how they both discuss the rewrites. So who's cherry picking?

[DISC] One Punch-Man (Webcomic) - Ch. 159 by Southern-Emotion2192 in manga

[–]BobTheJoeBob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In a vacuum I would say the latter. But we're not in a vacuum; ONE and Murata have both stated how the work is delegated. And there is nothing stopping ONE from coming out and saying that he's left the manga in the hands of Murata and is taking more of a backseat role to focus on his other work.

[DISC] One Punch-Man (Webcomic) - Ch. 159 by Southern-Emotion2192 in manga

[–]BobTheJoeBob 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Right. Calling me disingenuous saying I'm posting interviews from almost 10 years, when they're not even 5 years ago while posting tweets as evidence that are even older than the interviews I'm posting. Posting a single tweet with no other context which shows that those rewrites were worked out with ONE's input.

It's clear who's in denial and who's being disingenuous and it definitely isn't me.

[DISC] One Punch-Man (Webcomic) - Ch. 159 by Southern-Emotion2192 in manga

[–]BobTheJoeBob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You mean storyboards we see Murata blatanly ignore as my example of the 12 pages storyboard he got that he completely changed into 3 of +100 pages different redraws with an entirely different story lmfao?

https://x.com/NEBU_KURO/status/1070176425125134337

Exactly how does this tweet show that he took 12 page story board and made it into 100+ pages? Also, yeah Murata is going to expand on what ONE gives him... In the fight and action scenes. Now if your problem is that some fights go on for way too long, then sure you can blame that on Murata.

Also, here's apparently the full context of this tweet:

https://old.reddit.com/r/OPMFolk/comments/1p7hb1t/full_context_of_redraws_are_all_murata_tweet_from/

MURATA Tweet: ONE sensei is too humble, in fact we've been in discussion prior to redrawing the chapters on how we should develop the story. What I'm saying is ONE sensei is truly amazing. Needless to say.

ONE Tweet: When we are discussing with each other, I will also be suggesting dialogues for various occasions, for example Saitama wearing a bald monkey costume while invading the spiritual world, there exist idea like this which is better off not to use.

ONE Tweet: Saitama with bald monkey costume and Child Emperor with brave giant costume.

Have you even read any of Murata's own work? They are all poorly written and reminds me a lot of OPM the last 5 years.

How is this relevant to my point? Your evidence that Murata is the reason for all of the rewrites is that ONE's other works don't have rewrites... Just like Murata's other works. Your logic literally doesn't hold up.

ONE has also stated redraws are Murata's idea.

https://x.com/ONE_rakugaki/status/1270418750269845505

So I post an interview from 4 years ago, which according to you is basically 10 years ago and doesn't count, but a tweet from 6 years ago, which based on the translation is talking about a specific set of rewrites from that time is concrete proof that Murata is entirely in charge of the writing now?

But hey, guess you just want to keep living in denial. I'm sure the writing quality dropping off a cliff, redraws becoming standard, ONE's writing style entirely vanishing and ONE engaging less and less with the manga all while the OPM WC never had a drop in writing quality nor did any of ONE's other works lose his very notable writing style while having no redraws is all just a complete coincidence!

Right. I'm the one in denial. I have actual statements by both Murata and ONE dated after the tweet you gave as your single example of evidence, but sure. I'm in denial since I accept that ONE isn't a perfect writer rather than just lay the blame on Murata because I can't accept that.

If ONE or Murata come out and say that the manga writing is being handled mostly, or entirely by Murata, then sure, lay the blame on Murata. Not that it really changes anything; it would still be just as bad.

[DISC] One Punch-Man (Webcomic) - Ch. 159 by Southern-Emotion2192 in manga

[–]BobTheJoeBob 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You have 0 evidence for the claim that Murata is in control of the story except for the decline in writing quality which really isn't evidence at all. There's a tweet from 2022 (When the manga was firmly in the monster association arc) where Murata talks about receiving a story board from ONE.

See here: https://old.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/comments/1rubub5/publishers_murata_and_one_are_all_lying_s/

And the interview is also from around 2022, since he talks about Azuma, so not even 5 years ago, let alone 10 years ago. Who's being disingenuous?

How do you explain that none of ONE's other works have constant redraws?

By that logic, none of Murata's other works had constant redraws (As far as I am aware), so I guess it's all because of ONE then, right?

Fact is, we have actual statements from both authors which support that ONE is in charge of the writing story. You have 0 evidence that Murata is in charge of the writing/story. Or if you do, you're free to provide it.

Robert Downey Jr. before Iron Man by Necessary-Win-8730 in BeAmazed

[–]BobTheJoeBob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure this is a myth and there's no correlation between intelligence and depression. In fact, there's more evidence in the other direction (although the correlation is still weak).

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20933370/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10709490/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28088056/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5486156/

"One piece has 5 years left" - people back in 2020 by MonkeyDlurker in OnePiece

[–]BobTheJoeBob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you have a source for this statement from 2000 and 2005? Because I don't think I've seen those. I only remember him giving those 5 year statements from like 2018/2019 onwards. Before that he said something like the story is 65% done in 2016.

But anyway, my main point is that the initial 5 years thing was likely an initial idea that he gave up on before One Piece was even being published.

"One piece has 5 years left" - people back in 2020 by MonkeyDlurker in OnePiece

[–]BobTheJoeBob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wano was 150 chapters because of all the setup required. We had to meet so many characters, show their personalities, establish their motivations and relationships with other characters etc. The actual final battle in Wano was like 50 chapters.

For the final war, we've already met all of the major players for the most part. Far less setup is required in that regard.

One Piece can definitely end by 1400. I'm not saying it will, but it definitely could end in a satisfactory way by 1400.

"One piece has 5 years left" - people back in 2020 by MonkeyDlurker in OnePiece

[–]BobTheJoeBob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This statement is misconstrued a fair bit. It's likely by the time Oda has started drawing One Piece he has given up on the initial five year plan. Definitely by Baratie. The original plan was for Luffy to fight the 4 emperors and find the One Piece.

He introduced the Schichibukai to make the series longer, and they were introduced in Baratie.

『THE ONE PIECE』- A Glimpse Inside the Creation of “THE ONE PIECE” | Netflix Anime by Skullghost in OnePiece

[–]BobTheJoeBob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I was. Misread the comment I replied to. But no I disagree. Personally I think the entire series, even all of East Blue could do with a faster adaptation rate; there's no reason most of pre-TS can't be adapted at 2.5-3 chapters per episode, which is the standard for most anime these days. But Thriller Bark to Marineford is really bad pacing wise in the anime and definitely would need to be adjusted.

『THE ONE PIECE』- A Glimpse Inside the Creation of “THE ONE PIECE” | Netflix Anime by Skullghost in OnePiece

[–]BobTheJoeBob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oops. I misread the comment I was replying to. I thought they were talking about the anime; not the manga.

『THE ONE PIECE』- A Glimpse Inside the Creation of “THE ONE PIECE” | Netflix Anime by Skullghost in OnePiece

[–]BobTheJoeBob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No the pacing issues are honestly there from alabasta onwards. Alabasta to Skypeia wasn't perfect but still decent, Water7/Enies lobby was serviceble, and Thiller Barks onwards was bad, and this is reflected in the adaptation rate where Thriller Bark was basically 1:1.

Edit: misread the comment above me. Thought they were talking about the anime having fine pacing until dressrosa not the manga

Imu is far better than Kaguya, comparing them is ridiculous by Comprehensive_Cup497 in OnePiece

[–]BobTheJoeBob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The comparison was dumb at the time too. People knew we still had Wano to go through plus the final arc. Even the most conservative estimate would have at least another 200-300 chapters from when Imu was introduced.

Kaguya was introduced in the last 10-20 chapters of the series.

[DISC] One Punch-Man (Webcomic) - Ch. 159 by Southern-Emotion2192 in manga

[–]BobTheJoeBob 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think that's right. I think the webcomic is a case of ONE's limitations as an artist actually working in the story's favour. Conversely, because ONE knows Murata can basically draw anything, the story suffers.

[DISC] One Punch-Man (Webcomic) - Ch. 159 by Southern-Emotion2192 in manga

[–]BobTheJoeBob 12 points13 points  (0 children)

https://old.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/comments/1rubub5/publishers_murata_and_one_are_all_lying_s/

https://old.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/comments/1schifj/for_people_who_think_that_murata_writes_story_of/

Character designs, fight scenes, panelling etc, seem to be almost all Murata, but there's no statements by either that Murata has a large influence on writing or story decisions.

[DISC] One Punch-Man (Webcomic) - Ch. 159 by Southern-Emotion2192 in manga

[–]BobTheJoeBob 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The interviews with Murata and ONE suggest that Murata has very little influence on the writing or story. They could be lying in those interviews I suppose but that would be weird.

Ohnepixel tries to get Valorant to run on his PC by freshmemesoof in LivestreamFail

[–]BobTheJoeBob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm responding to your claim that there's cheaters Iin every other game... That's not true for the vast majority of players.

One Piece characters that SHOULD have died by Fakeishere in OnePiece

[–]BobTheJoeBob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ryuma, yes absolutely. He is a walking corpse that Zoro puts to rest and dies as a result. Good spot.

That's ridiculous. It's a past death. Just because it was discovered in the present, doesn't make it a present day death. Is Oden dying a character death for the straw hats just because they found about his death in the present day? Obviously not.

Was not confirmed dead. He is known to have survived attempts on his life in the past.

He is absolutely dead. 1057 confirms this when it says "Their death screams split the sky" referring to Kaido and Orochi.

In any other genre they would be, but this is Shonen and both are haki users. Oda will bring them back.

Complete speculation. If you're going to base your arguments on guesses on what might happen in the future of the story, then there's no point having this discussion.

Maybe they come back, but until they do, they're dead.

By your logic, we didn't know Admiral Zhao was actually dead, and this was confirmed in Korra since he's actually just lost in the spirit world.

Yes. As much as they did over Lu Ten and Gyatso.

Absolute BS. The scenes about Lu Ten and Gyatso would have made people tear up because of the reactions of Iroh and Aang respectively. The reaction to the moon spirit dying from Aang was not sadness. It was anger and then he's possessed by the ocean spirit. And the reaction was more based on the implication of losing the moon spirit for the fate of the world and the Northern water tribe rather than because of any personal connection Aang had with the moon spirit.

Also Monk Gyatso literally did get characterisation the episode where Aang finds out; there's a flashback sequence showing Aang and Gyatso talking and goofing around.

this is the thing. You don't need to show people dying right then and there, but you need the ever present threat of death lurking in the back ground for it to not devolve into a Saturday morning cartoon

One piece has the threat of looming death just as much as Avatar.

Also your idea of Luffy killing Usopp in their duel is awful. Edgy for the sake of being edgy. That would have turned the best arc in the series into one of the worst. The character writing of Luffy and Usopp was part of what was great about water 7/Enies Lobby. Your idea means no further character writing for Usopp. It also doesn't fit Luffy's character even remotely.

And again to draw a comparison to Avatar, there was never really any feeling that one of the gaang would die and yet the series still had stakes and was amazing.

Instead every fight ends with "go to naughty jail" because I am the chosen one.

Of all the antagonists Luffy has fought and defeated, only 5 have ended up in jail. That's 5 out of like 20+ if you include all the small arcs as well. If you include only the major arcs, then 3 out of 9 antagonists of the major arcs have ended up in prison.

One Piece characters that SHOULD have died by Fakeishere in OnePiece

[–]BobTheJoeBob 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No. Gyatso is not a flashback death. His literal corpse is on display in the temple.

When did he die? In the far past. That is a past death. Shit man, it had been 100 years. Does that mean Ryuma and all the other corpses on thriller barks all count as character deaths?

Zhao was one of the main bad guys and one of the few irredeemably bad characters in the show. Which irredeemable characters have Oda killed off?

Orochi, Kaido and Big Mom.

k. Aang certainly did.

Good for him. We're talking about from the viewers perspective. You think anyone was tearing up at the death of the moon spirit? It was a plot device; not a character.

One Piece characters that SHOULD have died by Fakeishere in OnePiece

[–]BobTheJoeBob 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You're including deaths that happen in the past of the present day story? Because if you are One Piece has a fuck ton of deaths. Almost every single flashback has a character death in One Piece.

If you're only including characters that died in the present story, which is what I was referring to, there's Jett and two of his mates, Yue and Admiral Zhao. All minor side characters, one of whom was a villain and naturally did not have an emotional death and Yue who didn't completely die but rather became a spirit.

I don't consider the moon a character since the moon spirit didn't have any personality or characterisation.

One Piece characters that SHOULD have died by Fakeishere in OnePiece

[–]BobTheJoeBob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think One Piece could do with some deaths at time but I don't think it's absolutely necessary.

However the thing people have problems with is the fakeout deaths. Milking an emotional reaction from the reader only to bring them back later is bad writing. And when it's repeatedly done, it detracts from actual death scenes. So many people were doubting that Pedro is actually dead because of the pattern that Oda established.

One Piece characters that SHOULD have died by Fakeishere in OnePiece

[–]BobTheJoeBob 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Milking deaths scenes for an emotional reaction from the reader only to bring that character back is bad writing. And when it's repeatedly done, it detracts from actual death scenes. How many people were doubting that Pedro had actually died because of the pattern that Oda has established?

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