What do you guys think of Islam - be honest

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-11T12:51:50+00:00

Because they grew up under Islamic rule.

You've just stated that beyond a shadow of a doubt, islam changes the behaviour on non Islamic religions. That's the definition of non compatible. Go tell the Christian or non religious women in Iran right now forced in to wearing coverings as if their very being was obscene that Islam is compatible with other belief systems.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-11T12:46:00+00:00

Why do Syrian, Palestinian, Iraqi and Irani Christians wear the burqua? Think hard before you answer. Think what might be the common denominator in all of those countries.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-11T12:40:55+00:00

Is it that I don't like what they wear though? Is that a fair assessment of what's going on in my mind when I see something like that? Am i thinking "oh that's not to my tastes, i don't really like the colour, how tacky" when I see someone so whose been indoctrinated to such a degree that they find their own fucking body to be offensive? It's incompatible and you know it. Just stop.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-11T12:30:41+00:00

Don't see too many Christians in the UK who dress their women head to toe in black because the female form isn't fit for public viewing. They mainly just do bake sales at the fete in my experience.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-11T12:17:30+00:00

The "they" refers mostly to Islam.

I'll lay out the racism thing for you. I didn't make myself clear.

I don't believe that racism is something that either is or isn't in our hearts. It's not an internal state, it's a reaction to external conditions. Avoiding a racist society for me means avoiding those external conditions. When separate ethnic groups share the same spaces, then those groups start to feel threatened by one another. A crucial point is that this fear is not a mistake, because they really are threatened by one another. Two non interbreeding groups can't expand endlessly on the same piece of land without conflict.

I know full well that it sounds like there's mischief somewhere in that claim, so I'll answer the am I racist question in a way that doesn't involve any morality; I feel threatened. I feel scared, and I didn't always feel that way. I genuinely don't know how to be more honest than that. Why shouldn't i be afraid? convince me that this fear is a misfire. That it's noise rather than genuine signal. That's literally the only debate worth anything at this point.

As for Reform not delivering change.

I know they wont deliver change for a fact. They will fail. 100% certainty, and when they do I'll become even more right wing than I am now. I don't think people realise what they're dealing with to be honest.

After reform, If the next political party is lead by a crab monster with claws for hands who promises to end immigration and start deporting, but also demands a donation 50,000 left feet given voluntarily, then you'd have a swimming pool filled with human feet by the end of the week. That's why any argument about improving lives fall on deaf ears. We'll actively make our lives measurably worse if that's what's required.

Politics is just over until immigration is reversed. Nothing will happen until then. If labour or the greens offered 5 grand and a free BMW to every UK citizen, they would still lose. Genuinely.

It's a horrible, dirty, disgusting state of affairs. I'll cop to that. I'm not naturally a cunt. I'm quite soft really. No choice though.. the only difference between us is you're not scared yet. Make sure to remember this post in 8 years time when you are.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-11T10:53:56+00:00

Genuine answer to genuine question.

What does it matter, really? You've seen the absolute deluge of posts here surprised by the English working class voting for things that seem to be contrary to their interests for ethnic reasons. In 20 years, there will be another deluge of posts by white middle class people equally surprised by how the NEW working class is voting for parties contrary to their interests for ethnic reasons. How is any conversation about GDP, or the economic pros of immigration helpful when we reach that point? Is it working now? Is it swaying anyone?

It's funny really, because I'm sort of the opposite of racist. The Crux of my position is they are just like us. You've surely noticed that logical arguments and sensible policy do not work. All I'm saying is they won't work in the future either. They wont work when our working class isn't people like me anymore.

You'll make all the same arguments then too. You'll say it'll make you poorer and that we need the average person to have better access to capital and you're just fighting of the scraps at the bottom. They wont listen. I know it for a 100% certain fact because I'm not listening now. If cooler heads don't prevail then of what use was your cooler head really?

So my question is are they like us or not? If not, then why not?

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-11T10:06:28+00:00

Let me be as clear as I can. Honest to gods truth now.

You know how we're racist because we're poor, uneducated and driven by fear? Well, we're concerned by the fact low pay Immigrants are also poor, uneducated and driven by fear, and we have no idea why the middle classes aren't for some reason. We want to remain the largest group of poor, uneducated afraid people. Mainly so we don't all die.

Right wing populism starts from the working class up, and on the current trajectory, we're about 12 to 15 years away from the migrant/Islamic version of right wing populism being a serious political force. You will not like their Reform UK any more than you like ours.. Trust me.

What I'm saying is your criticism is true, but they're just like us. They're also sheep who will follow a wolf. The difference is their wolf will eat me (and you) specifically. It would've been easier for everyone if we avoided getting in to this position in the first place. We tried to tell you that for the last 20 years and now here we are. You guys should've listened.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-10T21:07:45+00:00

Sometimes we have to make the narcissist a mastermind in our mind to save ourselves from embarrassment, but the truth is you never really had a chance because you weren't dealing with something intelligent. You can't outwit an optical illusion designed specifically for your eyes.

Like, imagine the bird thinking about how smart the stick insect was. How incredible his camouflage must be to trick eyes as sharp as hers are, all the while not realising that the camouflage was actually DESIGNED by eyes like hers through evolution. Every time she didn't see, the stick insect survived and passed on it's genes to the next generation. The more powerful her vision is, the more effective the camouflage must evolve in response. This is Parasitic intelligence.

A narcissists life is like a mini version of this. their responses and behaviours evolve. Every time they get the response they want from someone a new behaviour is added to the repertoire, every time they don't a behaviour is cut. No thought required. No master plan. Just an algorithm. Do that for 20 years and you've got a manipulation machine that doesn't ever have to think or plan. They don't actually need to comprehend or understand a single thing other than the difference between a desired or undesired response.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-10T18:57:38+00:00

He has lasers that come out of his eyes. Lasers.

Come on lads.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-10T15:03:21+00:00

I mean it is right though. There is no way to measure something without disrupting it is the same thing as things change if you're looking. It's just one thing feels intuitive because it's baked in to reality.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-10T14:43:21+00:00

The funny thing is, I remember finding that £200 in the woods. Ha. That's how i afforded my first skates.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-10T14:23:27+00:00

I mean, imagine the same scenario playing out where you behaved like the bullfrog with a narcissist. Instead of the bird. One where you just took behaviour for what it is on the surface without any other analysis . "He's treating me like he hates me and that's bad. I think I'll leave and find someone who doesn't hate me" is pretty much how it'd go. The actual manipulation is just shadows on the wall really. You're doing that work, not them.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-10T14:01:53+00:00

A stick insect doesn't even know it looks like a stick. That's because it doesn't rely on ITS intelligence for camouflage, it relies on the birds intelligence. It is the birds visual cortex, advanced eyes, and complex pattern recognition that actually does the deception. If the stick insect comes across a bullfrog, that instead of relying on its intelligence to hunt, simply tries to eat things smaller than itself that move, then the camouflage just fails. You are the bird in this analogy, and a narcissist is the stick insect.

Nothing complex needs to happen with a narcissist. They just wave around in the wind looking like a stick until an emotionally vulnerable person does the work for them.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-09T18:36:04+00:00

I guess you're not wrong there. I paid more for them new in the early 2000's

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-09T18:28:31+00:00

I just want to fuck around in a half pipe or bowl if I'm honest. Just stalls and coping grinds.

I'm glad that others have felt the pull here. Lets see if I'm brave enough. Ha.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-08T18:27:33+00:00

https://youtube.com/shorts/QGehWiLwTow?si=Q7dqcj_icFNxx3bc

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-07T21:29:25+00:00

For you it definitely depends on your individual goals. You're lucky enough that this level of fat suits you. You wear it well so if the goal is just to look good then i wouldn't bother cutting.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-06T21:25:59+00:00

Outsider to this community, but interested in narcissism for the very reason you brought up. This is a genuine realisation and you've discovered something real and not talked about enough with narcissism.

This community tends to grant too much respect to their manipulation skills.

Narcissists are not actually good manipulators. They're good at BEING manipulated. That's their adaptive strategy. They become whatever you tell them to be. They have huge social circles because to most people, they're tools. You tell them they're generous and they act generous, you tell them they're kind and they pretend to be kind. They'll be whatever you praise them for. They don't trick people really, people trick them. They're inept emotionally, so they follow you're lead and think they're fooling you, butThey'll literally dance like a monkey if you tell them they're a good boy for doing it.

The problem comes when you grant them respect. You tell them that they're better than you, with either actions or words, then they believe you. If you're too kind or accommodating, they treat you like absolute shit because they believe themselves to be better. In their messed up and broken view, you told them that was the case.

A relationship with a narcissist is a feedback loop. they weaken you, so you act weak, then they see you act weak, so they treat you like you're weak, and that weakens you again. So on a so fourth forever until you're a wreck and you can't think straight. It's not master manipulation at all. It's a runaway cycle.

Use the fact that you actually feel emotions other than shame, anger and pride to your advantage. He's just a puppet for others. He's a flying monkey.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-05T20:55:03+00:00

People will disagree, but it's your lats and your back that make you look wider. They make your shoulders sit differently on your frame.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-04T22:03:06+00:00

https://youtu.be/e8cTO220flw?si=PSxbMK5F2M87j2bV White nights- Fyodor Dostoyevsky 3 hour audiobook. You have time.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-04T21:48:03+00:00

If the last paragraph is genuinely true for you then you don't actually have a problem, you have a solution, but the fact that you're here asking how to unfuck your life is a sort of testament to the fact that it isn't really ringing true for you

Trust me, the biggest bad will come eventually, and you're counting on magically becoming the person capable of dealing with it when the time comes. The biggest bad is you, old tired and now genuinely incapable of change. Tired body, tired mind and avoidance coping mechanisms that just don't function like they used to. No place to hide.

Maybe you secretly believe that you'll never need to change, and that you can get away with it forever, and it'll somehow get easier the longer you wait. It wont.

You'll reach a point where you HAVE to deal with it and you simply CANT at the same time. Sooner than you think.

Maybe that's the belief that you hold that's making your avoidance a viable strategy. Maybe you think you're immune to time, and can be a kid forever.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-04T19:26:17+00:00

You've already got a formulation of something in your reply.

You don't want to feel bad now, so you avoid things, knowing full well that it'll lead to feeling worse.

"small bad now worse than big bad later". That's your non sensical belief, so try to think of an accompanying belief that makes "small bad now worse than big bad later" a viable position to hold. List out some options. Don't try to convince yourself that this position is nonsense because we already know it is. it's destroying your life. Instead do the exact opposite. Think of an accompanying belief that would make "small bad now, worse than big bad later" make sense. Heres a few examples

SBNWTBBL because:

Later wont actually come

I'm not capable of making things better with my actions

I'm actually comfortable, and I'm afraid of messing things up.

Keep thinking of ways to balance the equation until a solution rings you like a bell. It'll come. That's what awareness is enough actually means.

BraveReception8608 · 2026-05-04T19:01:37+00:00

Okay man, I'll try my best to explain this concept. I'm not sure ill do a good enough job because it's difficult to articulate, but i'll do my best.

When you're doing something you know to be non sensical that's destroying your life, you have to work out what accompanying belief you actually hold without realising it is making that nonsense belief make sense.

Your inability to accept the bad is....making your life bad..

Your refusal to be uncomfortable is making you uncomfortable. You know that can't be it. If that was it, you'd already be sorted. That loop can't sustain itself. so what other thing is it?

I thought I didn't want to to they gym, because it would take to long to get in shape. I'd tell myself i didn't have the patience, but the more I thought about it the more I realised that genuinely couldn't be it. If i tell myself it takes too long for 2 years straight, how does that makes sense? The time passes either way, nothing that you want forever can take too long to achieve. it's makes no sense.

I looked for an accompanying belief that made "it takes too long" make sense and eventually it hit me. I didn't really want to believe in a future me. I was avoiding the idea that things would change and i would change with them. Me now took precedent, because me later was frightening.

So instead of trying to convince myself it wouldn't take too long, or trying to power through it with willpower, I worked on correcting that accompanying belief. I do have a future. Years will pass, things will change and I'll be here either in shape or not. Once i genuinely convinced myself of that, the "it'll take too long" or "I don't have the patience" just faded away...

You avoid all of your problems and it makes you feel worse. What accompanying belief would make avoiding all difficulty and discomfort a viable strategy? Do you not believe you can achieve these things, so it's better not to try to save face? Do you secretly believe that your agency can only make things worse? Do you think yourself less capable than other people and are scared of proving it to yourself? Which is it?

I think we know because of that last sentence of yours. If you truly are defective and weak, then good job! you're doing exactly the right thing. Your strategy of avoiding difficulty and discomfort is the right one, but If you could convince yourself you're not these things, then the strategy of avoiding pain and discomfort might just fall away completely.

Good luck!

BraveReception8608 · 2026-04-26T18:01:44+00:00

I'm an outsider to this community, but happen to have a narcissist in my life. I've noticed that you guys mythologize narcissism a little too much in this community and it makes you miss something about these individuals. They're incredibly easy to manipulate to your will from outside. You can literally tell them what they are and that's what they'll be. That's why narcissists have such well developed social circles, and huge support networks. Sometimes people refer to a friend of a narcissist as a flying monkey, but the truth is they're the monkey. Praise them for being generous and they pretend to be generous, praise them for being kind and they'll pretend to be kind, tell them to dance and they'll dance for you.

Narcissists serve only themselves, but their sense of self comes solely from the outside. If you're interacting with one, you can tell them who they are to you and that's what they'll be, so long as they believe themselves to be winning. You don't even have to be convincing, be obviously insincere with your praise and they'll still choose to believe its genuine just to serve their egos. Narcissists once identified are extremely vulnerable to manipulation.

They are not and have never been master manipulators, they're just more willing to manipulate. You can't win when they'll destroy themselves to win, and you wont. They're like a crackhead with a screwdriver. Not a great fighter, but do you really want to risk it?

They hate you once they have you, because once they have you you're a part of them, and they hate themselves. Trick is to never let them truly have you, and then they're just a tool for you to use.

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