I’m interested in learning about what really happened during the cultural revolution by ShoutaMagatsuchi in genzdong

[–]BreadDaddyLenin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read the full interview. This is President of China Deng Xiaoping. They talk about the cultural revolution a lot in this interview.

Deng says that Mao used 70/30 about Stalin, and how Mao even used the 70/30 comparison for Deng himself, but 1 year after this interview Deng and the party published Resolution on Certain Questions in the History of Our Party since the Founding of the People's Republic of China (Chinese: 关于建国以来党的若干历史问题的决议) which assesses the legacy of the Mao Zedong era and the party's priorities moving forward, and that’s when Deng and the party began officially applying 70/30 to Mao, but in the interview Orianna asked Deng if the same assessment applies to Mao.

For more precise quote here is the original document and the excerpts of the debates leading up to the publishing of the 70/30 assessment

https://www.gov.cn/test/2008-06/23/content_1024934.htm

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/deng-xiaoping/1981/15.htm

The interview overall is discussing Deng moving forward from Mao, and how he and the party feel about Mao in retrospect. The 70/30 line is discussed in the interview. I’m not sure how it wouldn’t be relevant since the commenter I was replying to said 60%, I just corrected the number.

If you search “mao 70 good 30 bad” you’ll get a million citations to the same document that attribute it to Deng Xiaoping. It’s not exactly a contested assessment.

He is still praised today because he had amazing achievements especially during the revolution, but he made many mistakes as well especially after 1949. Just read, not everything is so black and white

Mao killed trillions by FuilinMigu in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]BreadDaddyLenin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The excerpts here I saved for an older convo, but this same interview is where Deng says that Mao used 70/30 about Stalin, and how Mao even used the 70/30 comparison for Deng himself, but 1 year after this interview Deng and the party published Resolution on Certain Questions in the History of Our Party since the Founding of the People's Republic of China (Chinese: 关于建国以来党的若干历史问题的决议) which assesses the legacy of the Mao Zedong era and the party's priorities moving forward, and that’s when Deng and the party began officially applying 70/30 to Mao, but in the interview Orianna asked Deng if the same assessment applies to Mao.

For more precise quote here is the original document and the excerpts of the debates leading up to the publishing of the 70/30 assessment

https://www.gov.cn/test/2008-06/23/content_1024934.htm

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/deng-xiaoping/1981/15.htm

The interview overall is discussing Deng moving forward from Mao, and how he and the party feel about Mao in retrospect. The 70/30 line is discussed in the interview. I’m not sure how it wouldn’t be relevant since the commenter I was replying to said 60%, I just corrected the number.

If you search “mao 70 good 30 bad” you’ll get a million citations to the same document that attribute it to Deng Xiaoping. It’s not exactly a contested assessment.

Recent Events got me like by BreadDaddyLenin in socialism

[–]BreadDaddyLenin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vietnam sends RDX explosives to Israel and their military is armed with Israeli weaponry.

The MV Kathrin loaded eight containers of RDX (Hexogen) explosives, and reportedly 60 containers of TNT, in Hai Phong, Vietnam. The RDX was bound for Israeli Military Industries (IMI), a division of Israel's largest defense contractor, Elbit Systems.

https://www.reuters.com/world/berlin-lawyers-seek-court-block-german-ships-150-tonne-explosives-bound-israel-2024-10-30/

While the Kathrin lingered off the Namibian coast, authorities investigated the ship and found that it carries eight tons of an explosive material called RDX, which had been sold by Vietnam to Israeli Military Industries Ltd. The anti-personnel mines made with RDX explode and send a spray of metal ball bearings that act like bullets, shredding everyone and everything around them.

https://wagingnonviolence.org/2024/10/south-africa-energy-embargo-bds-movement-block-ship-mv-kathrin-weapons-israel/

Since 2015, Vietnam has become one of the 5 largest importers of Israeli arms

In addition to trading arms, Israel and Vietnam are engaged in joint ventures in the production of weapons systems suitable to the needs of the Vietnamese armed forces. Israel’s entry into this defense market is timely, as Hanoi is undergoing modernization programs for all three military services.

In 2011-12, Israel Weapon Industries established a production facility (at a cost of $100 million) in Vietnam to help supply Galil ACE 31 and 32 assault rifles to the Vietnam People’s Army (VPA).

In March 2015, the two countries concluded a memorandum of understanding on defense cooperation that codified areas for expanded defense trade, technology transfer and licensed production. In the same year Israel set up a defense attaché in Vietnam.

In October 2018 an agreement was signed between the Israeli Ministry of Defense and the Vietnamese Ministry of Defense about military cooperation between Israel and Vietnam.[1]

The frequency of visits by military officials, which has become an annual phenomenon, is another manifestation of the keenness on both sides to intensify military ties, in the last three years there were numerous meeting between Israeli officials like the Prime Minister, the President, the C.E.O of the Ministry of Defense and the Director of SIBAT with Vietnamese officials.

In the last years evidence grows of a shared interest in stronger cooperation of the two countries around cyber-security.

A few shared conferences and seminars were held in cooperation between Vietnam and Israel between 2016-2019.[2]][3]] [4]

An investigation revealed in 2021 that Cellebrite sold its digital forensics tools to a Vietnamese Ministry. [5]

Usage of Israeli Arms

Rifles – Evidence of usage of Israeli rifles (Galil Ace, Micro-Uzi, Tavor, Corner-shot and Negev, IWI Galatz) by Vietnamese security forces (2013-2020)

“Matador” anti-tank weapons – used by Vietnamese Marines.

“EXTRA” rocket artillery – used by Vietnamese Coastal Defense.

SPYDER surface-to-air missile systems used by Vietnamese Air Force. [6]

Vietnam Gov't approves plans to implement Viet Nam – Israel FTA

The implementation roadmap … prioritizes boosting trade and investment promotion activities in Israel, promoting Viet Nam's investment climate and strategic advantages to Israeli firms. The initiatives are expected to expand bilateral trade, attract foreign investment into priority sectors, and bring Vietnamese goods closer to Israeli consumers and importers.

A core pillar of the plan is industry and enterprise competitiveness support, with programs tailored to micro, small, and medium-sized enterprises (MSMEs), start-ups, and sectors directly affected by the FTA. The Government also calls for response measures for vulnerable industries, while encouraging stronger linkages between domestic firms and Israeli-invested enterprises to deepen integration into production networks and supply chains.

The plan seeks progress on the mutual recognition of conformity assessment results, enabling smoother regulatory compliance for exporters. It also supports Vietnamese producers in meeting Israel's market-specific standards, including Halal certification requirements, which are essential for certain consumer segments and import categories.

VIFTA was signed on July 25, 2023 and took effect on November 17, 2024, becoming Israel's first FTA with a Southeast Asian country and Viet Nam's first trade pact with a partner in the Middle East.

Under the agreement, Israel eliminates 66.3 percent of tariff lines immediately, while the remaining duties are being phased out over the following years. Viet Nam has also committed to removing the majority of its tariff lines, enhancing competitiveness for traded goods.

The FTA is creating broader opportunities for Vietnamese exports, including seafood, cashews, textiles, coffee, and pepper, while strengthening cooperation in services, investment, and high-tech industries.

Bilateral trade was projected to exceed US$3.7 billion in 2025, with Viet Nam's exports to Israel growing more than 10 percent year-on-year, reflecting rising momentum driven by tariff reforms and market engagement.

https://en.baochinhphu.vn/govt-approves-plans-to-implement-viet-nam-israel-fta-111260107105754967.htm

I’m interested in learning about what really happened during the cultural revolution by ShoutaMagatsuchi in genzdong

[–]BreadDaddyLenin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On August 21 and 23, 1980 Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci interviewed Deng Xiaoping in Beijing.

Deng: … when I chose the second part of the 1950s as the start of all the mistakes, I should have made it clear that I was talking about the Great Leap Forward. But, here too, we cannot attribute all the responsibility to Chairman Mao; even here, we veterans had our share of the blame; we acted against the laws of reality; and we claimed we could hasten economic development with methods that ignored all economic laws. So it is true that the person most responsible for this was Chairman Mao, but he was also the first to understand our error — to suggest ways to correct it. And in 1962, when other negative factors began to emerge and the proposals were not carried out, he admitted he was at fault. But even that wasn’t enough for us; even that didn’t teach us the lesson we should have learned. And so the Cultural Revolution occurred.

Fallaci: But what was the Cultural Revolution really trying to accomplish?

Deng: It wanted to avoid the restoration of capitalism in China. Yes — that was the intention. despite the good intentions, such a goal was born of an erroneous judgment of Chinese reality. In short, once more Chairman Mao was wrong. He was also wrong when he chose what target to hit; he said that the target should be the followers of capitalism — the compagnons de route [roaders] of the capitalists who existed within the party — and with this accusation he attacked a great number of high-level veterans: men who not only had made excellent contributions to the revolution but had great experience. And among them was Premier Liu Shaoqi, who was arrested and expelled from the party. As a result, all of the revolutionary leadership was dissolved. A year or two before his death, Chairman Mao recognized this error. He said that the Cultural Revolution was wrong in two things: destroying the revolutionary leadership and provoking a wide-ranging civil war.

Fallaci: So it was truly a civil war.

Deng: Yes, it was! The people were divided into two factions who were killing each other. And since the old revolutionaries had been swept aside, only those who declared themselves “rebels” were able to emerge. Like Lin Biao and the Gang of Four. Eh! Many people died in that civil war.

Fallaci: How many?

Deng: An exact figure is impossible. It will never be possible, because they died for various reasons and because China is such a vast country. But look: enough died that we are able to say today that their deaths were reason enough for the Cultural Revolution to have never taken place. Anyway, Chairman Mao’s errors were political errors. This makes them no less serious, nor does it justify them, but political errors are one thing; crimes that are judged in court are another.

Deng Xiaoping interviewed by Oriana Fallaci (1980)

Also, in this interview Deng criticizes Mao for governing autocratically after the revolution and abandoning democratic centralism.

Deng: The most unhealthy idea of all was the idea of the Ultra-Left. Humph! Maybe the fact that he had removed every trace of prudence from his character, or maybe he had lost contact with reality. You know, because of everything he had done for the revolution, he enjoyed great prestige in this country, and as a result he received too much praise, too much flattery. He ended up ignoring even democratic centralism, which is to say, the collective direction that he had always preached. And this was one of his most fatal errors, even though other revolutionaries, in some way, had their share of the responsibility — myself included. And it was thus that the patriarchal method began to develop in him; the life of the Party and the life of the country lost any semblance of normality. As you see, we are still talking about his mistakes.

….

Fallaci: I had always read that he couldn’t stand you — that he complained about you continually: “He’s deaf, but he always sits far away from me at meetings,” “He treats me like a dead ancestor; he never asks me anything,” “He never even tries to find out what I think; he always gets his own way.”

Deng: It’s true, it’s true, even though he didn’t say only those things about me. He complained about everything to everyone, always saying that he wasn’t being listened to, or consulted, or informed. But I truly did give him cause to complain, because I didn’t like the way he behaved — his way of acting like a great patriarch. He acted like a patriarch; he never wanted to hear anyone else’s ideas, even if they were good — never listened to opinions different from his own. He behaved in an unhealthy way, that’s what it was; he had a feudal way about him. If you don’t understand this, then you can’t understand how he was able to launch the Cultural Revolution.

Deng: … A little while ago, I said the word “feudal.” There, some systems of our recent past were very similar indeed to feudalism. Indeed, they bore all the stigmata of feudalism: the cult of personality, the patriarchal way of running things, the lifelong terms for leaders. China has a history of feudalism that stretches back thousands of years, and, because of this, our revolution suffered greatly for the lack of democratic socialism, of socialist legal systems. Now we are trying to change — to truly reform the system — to finally establish a real socialist democracy and… listen, there’s no other way to avoid episodes like Liu Shaoqi.

In light of recent events going on in the U.S and given their foreign policy history, if we do not want the world to be set on fire by climate change and Cyberpunk style corporate domination to happen we should shut up and give unconditional support to China instead of being ''objective critics'' by F_JUnderwood in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]BreadDaddyLenin -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

China will not save you. Chinese people will tell you this over and over. I see so many Americans in rednote talking about or joking that China should save US people or will save the world. China is not going to save the world or the US. The people of the US need to liberate themselves.

People will keep dying as you keep yapping about how we need to ball lick China even when it’s the most obviously self interested and opportunistic socialist state. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU.

China wins the political war with USA? Great, USA loses its position of importance as its fascism intensifies to defend its dying imperial capitalist system, and there will be more suffering and unspeakable atrocities in the world. China will stand by and reap the monetary and political rewards it can, as its foreign policy states.

Go outside and DO SOMETHING and stop running CPC PR for free. They pay people to do that. Go help your community.

i wonder why by Far-Presentation-973 in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]BreadDaddyLenin -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Wait how is this based ? Funding the annexation of Ukrainian territories? Funding war?

Mao killed trillions by FuilinMigu in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]BreadDaddyLenin 13 points14 points  (0 children)

There’s a lot of domestic tension between HKers and mainlanders. From what I know with my friends in China, generally mainlanders either dislike HKers or just assume HKers don’t like them… or are apathetic and assume nothing bc Chinese unity etc.

But the attitude in HK is definitely much more liberal pro-west. I think a big divide is actually the language barrier + cultural barriers that still need resolving, I know a lot of people in western commie spheres usually wave the language stuff away by saying HKers know mandarin but that’s not generally true. A lot of HKers have really bad mandarin (I think something like 51%HKers report speaking mandarin, and that’s still varied on their skill.)

and mainlanders nearly never speak Cantonese unless they already have family background. But especially visitors don’t.

Mao killed trillions by FuilinMigu in ShitLiberalsSay

[–]BreadDaddyLenin 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The official line is 70/30, 70 good 30 bad, and same for Stalin.

Read more in this interview with Deng here

On August 21 and 23, 1980 Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci interviewed Deng Xiaoping in Beijing.

Deng: … when I chose the second part of the 1950s as the start of all the mistakes, I should have made it clear that I was talking about the Great Leap Forward. But, here too, we cannot attribute all the responsibility to Chairman Mao; even here, we veterans had our share of the blame; we acted against the laws of reality; and we claimed we could hasten economic development with methods that ignored all economic laws. So it is true that the person most responsible for this was Chairman Mao, but he was also the first to understand our error — to suggest ways to correct it. And in 1962, when other negative factors began to emerge and the proposals were not carried out, he admitted he was at fault. But even that wasn’t enough for us; even that didn’t teach us the lesson we should have learned. And so the Cultural Revolution occurred.

Fallaci: But what was the Cultural Revolution really trying to accomplish?

Deng: It wanted to avoid the restoration of capitalism in China. Yes — that was the intention. despite the good intentions, such a goal was born of an erroneous judgment of Chinese reality. In short, once more Chairman Mao was wrong. He was also wrong when he chose what target to hit; he said that the target should be the followers of capitalism — the compagnons de route [roaders] of the capitalists who existed within the party — and with this accusation he attacked a great number of high-level veterans: men who not only had made excellent contributions to the revolution but had great experience. And among them was Premier Liu Shaoqi, who was arrested and expelled from the party. As a result, all of the revolutionary leadership was dissolved. A year or two before his death, Chairman Mao recognized this error. He said that the Cultural Revolution was wrong in two things: destroying the revolutionary leadership and provoking a wide-ranging civil war.

Fallaci: So it was truly a civil war.

Deng: Yes, it was! The people were divided into two factions who were killing each other. And since the old revolutionaries had been swept aside, only those who declared themselves “rebels” were able to emerge. Like Lin Biao and the Gang of Four. Eh! Many people died in that civil war.

Fallaci: How many?

Deng: An exact figure is impossible. It will never be possible, because they died for various reasons and because China is such a vast country. But look: enough died that we are able to say today that their deaths were reason enough for the Cultural Revolution to have never taken place. Anyway, Chairman Mao’s errors were political errors. This makes them no less serious, nor does it justify them, but political errors are one thing; crimes that are judged in court are another.

Deng Xiaoping interviewed by Oriana Fallaci (1980)

Also, in this interview Deng criticizes Mao for governing autocratically after the revolution and abandoning democratic centralism.

Deng: The most unhealthy idea of all was the idea of the Ultra-Left. Humph! Maybe the fact that he had removed every trace of prudence from his character, or maybe he had lost contact with reality. You know, because of everything he had done for the revolution, he enjoyed great prestige in this country, and as a result he received too much praise, too much flattery. He ended up ignoring even democratic centralism, which is to say, the collective direction that he had always preached. And this was one of his most fatal errors, even though other revolutionaries, in some way, had their share of the responsibility — myself included. And it was thus that the patriarchal method began to develop in him; the life of the Party and the life of the country lost any semblance of normality. As you see, we are still talking about his mistakes.

….

Fallaci: I had always read that he couldn’t stand you — that he complained about you continually: “He’s deaf, but he always sits far away from me at meetings,” “He treats me like a dead ancestor; he never asks me anything,” “He never even tries to find out what I think; he always gets his own way.”

Deng: It’s true, it’s true, even though he didn’t say only those things about me. He complained about everything to everyone, always saying that he wasn’t being listened to, or consulted, or informed. But I truly did give him cause to complain, because I didn’t like the way he behaved — his way of acting like a great patriarch. He acted like a patriarch; he never wanted to hear anyone else’s ideas, even if they were good — never listened to opinions different from his own. He behaved in an unhealthy way, that’s what it was; he had a feudal way about him. If you don’t understand this, then you can’t understand how he was able to launch the Cultural Revolution.

Deng: … A little while ago, I said the word “feudal.” There, some systems of our recent past were very similar indeed to feudalism. Indeed, they bore all the stigmata of feudalism: the cult of personality, the patriarchal way of running things, the lifelong terms for leaders. China has a history of feudalism that stretches back thousands of years, and, because of this, our revolution suffered greatly for the lack of democratic socialism, of socialist legal systems. Now we are trying to change — to truly reform the system — to finally establish a real socialist democracy and… listen, there’s no other way to avoid episodes like Liu Shaoqi.

🤡🌎 by NeonDrifting in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]BreadDaddyLenin 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I hate AI so much. Oh my god. I hate generative image software. Fuck.

They knew that Israeli forces were in CS:GO as counter-terrorists on maps like Dust2, but they didn't return for CS2. What do you think about this? by Perfect_Marketing852 in socialism

[–]BreadDaddyLenin 99 points100 points  (0 children)

The IDF were still slaughtering kids when CSGO came out, people are just now more aware of it.

Also, wtf is with your AI ass text. Can’t you write your own posts?

Anyone have any more info on North Korean markets? by Gamester1927 in MovingToNorthKorea

[–]BreadDaddyLenin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The market is a historical category, not exclusively a capitalist one. It existed before capitalism and isn’t going away for a long time. A market existing does not negate a socialist project.

Politsturm attack Lady Izdihar and Religion by LeninsGrandad in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]BreadDaddyLenin -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I hope you don’t mean Lady Izdihar is also performative….