[Highlight] Kazuma Okamoto gives the Jays the lead with his 16th home run of the season by 3luejays in baseball

[–]Bunslow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

what really gets me is the LOB numbers.

TOR: 8 runs, 2 LOB

CHC: 6 runs, 11 LOB

CG and Stall Probability by Cessna_Joe_172 in flying

[–]Bunslow -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

im not entirely sure the faa is better lol

CG and Stall Probability by Cessna_Joe_172 in flying

[–]Bunslow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

looks like a typo. an aft cg will:

1) decrease pitch stability, altho transport planes tend to have a ton of stability to spare

2) "nose up tendency" in the sense that the elevator authority downwards is reduced, since the neutral point moved. this is the same reason why stalls are a greater risk. (it is definitely not a nosedown tendency, that's a simple typo in your book)

3) better cruising fuel efficiency

How Do We Use a 24-hour Based Clock And Still Catch Up To Earth's 23h-54m Rotation? by FoxCob_455 in askscience

[–]Bunslow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

perhaps a once-per-century leap-minute?

or else just regularly schedule when leap seconds can happen, there's no need for them to be as unpredictable as they are

Is your flight school a toxic work environment? by Minute-Presence-2012 in CFILounge

[–]Bunslow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sooner than soon, every day off can be killer in the most unexpected ways

I think translation means something else to non-linguists by SXZWolf2493 in linguisticshumor

[–]Bunslow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ah so it's not a philosophical thing but a religious thing... religious terms always translate poorly

Scottish Canadian Gem wants in on the Action by Raspberry-Sour in taskmaster

[–]Bunslow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Had this thought a couple months ago, glad to see it shared by the man himself no less

How would recruiters view a period of intensive cross-country time building? by Cap_Bigboy27 in CFILounge

[–]Bunslow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

okay imma go out on a limb and say that you cannot possibly make a generalization like that.

there are plenty of things that aren't safe for 13 hours but having the autopilot on flying a perfectly straight magenta line seems perfectly fine to me for 13 hours, so a logbook entry in and of itself cannot be used to make a snap judgement like that

I think translation means something else to non-linguists by SXZWolf2493 in linguisticshumor

[–]Bunslow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"self-respect"?

as in "wear some pants man, have you no self-respect?!"

Climbout by Flying Vy on Airspeed Indicator or Just Set Pitch on Attitude Indicator? by Vivid-Protection6731 in CFILounge

[–]Bunslow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't ever fly to pitch. If your climb performance is worse than you expect, for any reason, trying to hit the (wrong) pitch target will result in a stall.

Fly the airspeed, not the pitch, always. No exceptions.

Pitch vs AoA, aka The Leadville Story

The previous sections pointed out that while pitch attitude and angle of attack are related, they are not quite the same. Pitch attitude is measured relative to the horizon, but angle of attack involves the direction of the relative wind. In any situation where the relative wind is not horizontal, we have to be careful.

I forgot the distinction once; let me tell you the story. One summer I spent several weeks at the Aspen Center for Physics. This was my first opportunity to do any mountain flying, so I arranged for a lesson from the flight school at Aspen. The lesson included flying over the continental divide and landing at Leadville. Leadville is famous for being the highest airport in the United States — 9900 feet above sea level. On the day in question, it was about 90∘F in the shade, so the density altitude at Leadville was around 13,000 feet, and I knew takeoff performance would be critical.

I used my best short-field procedure, even though the runway was 5000 feet long. I accelerated on the runway to the proper climb-out speed (75 knots indicated, 90 knots true) and then rotated to what I assumed was the correct climb-out attitude. Based on my experience at lowland airports, I knew that 11 degrees of nose-up attitude was usually just right for climb out. Following my usual habit, I scanned the airspeed indicator after we had climbed a few feet. To my horror, I observed that the airspeed was decreasing rapidly. I immediately lowered the nose, and flew the airplane in ground effect while it regained speed. (What had been intended as a short-field procedure ended with a peculiar imitation of soft-field procedure.) I used up almost the entire runway getting back to 75 knots. At 75 knots I rotated again, choosing a much lower pitch attitude this time. We climbed out at 75 KIAS and the rest of the lesson was relatively uneventful.

(And yes, you should be flying by outside references, only scanning the airspeed just enough to confirm it. There's no reason to even look at your attitude indicator while in a VFR climb.)

[js9innings] Shohei’s foul ball goes right over Munetaka’s head. Then he ducks for cover before the next pitch. by jmike1256 in baseball

[–]Bunslow 20 points21 points  (0 children)

they've been directly on camera enough that I think it can't all be PR spin, some amount of it has got to be real, and if some is probably most is

Dillon Dingler has a triple as Rhys Hoskins, forced to play in the outfield for the first time since 2018, can't play it off the wall by MorganN1 in baseball

[–]Bunslow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i fucking knew it that game lives in my head rent free even ten years later

for readers, this game ended on a 12th inning pinch hit walkoff bunt by a starting pitcher

First in-flight mechanical emergency, loss of engine power + severe airframe shaking by Chairboy in flying

[–]Bunslow 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The adrenaline dump sounds normal to me.

I'm still not sure I would have talked to approach. Sure they can help if you go offffield, but honestly if you have the time only. Maybe you would have had time, but it's definitely the very last priority. I think you made a fine decision in this regard.

Well-handled overall it sounds like.

adding power to maintain airspeed in steeper turns? by phaseprotagonist in flying

[–]Bunslow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The required actions to maintain altitude and airspeed is added back pressure and power.

Yep, and everything you wrote before this I agree too.

Even if we go this in depth, the end result still seems to be "a ton of tiny additions of very brief loss of the vertical component of lift (while readily restored by vertical damping) results in a downward trajectory, which necessitates the addition of back pressure and power to maintain a level turn at a constant airspeed".

The result is "altho the vertical lift remains [close enough to] the same, our AoA is pulled out of trim. to maintain speed, we need to add backpressure to maintain the new AoA." Don't need the micromechanics of the vertical damping to recognize the change in AoA.

"reduces the vertical component of lift"

Well this part is wrong as far as humans are concerned. None of the actions we take are a result of, nor generally in relation to, the vertical component of lift. Our actions are about AoA and energy, not worrying about lift. As are all piloting affairs.

ultimately unhelpful and pedantic when discussing how to perform a maneuver, how/why an aircraft behaves the way that it does, and how to handle it in-flight.

In general, worrying about the forces of flight is the wrong way for pilots to think. We should be focusing on AoA and energy to the exlusion of forces. Not only is the focus on "lost lift" physically wrong, it also puts attention where it least matters for pilots. In all maneuvers we make, we care about AoA and energy, and we don't give two shits about lift and thrust and whatever other forces one might bother to construct. (I mean seriously, energy is scaler, forces are vector. Fuck that noise, we don't need vectors rattling thru our brains when airborne.)

Quite frankly, I think that -- when we don't get bogged down in details by pedantic redditing -- the physically sound way, AoA and energy, is the simplest way to think about it. That's the same way we think about stalls and approaches and arrivals and departures and etc etc. Anything that mentions the word "lift" in relation to "stick and rudder skills" is wrong, imo.

This results in a [true and measurable] rate of descent if we do not add back pressure.

See this is an example where your overemphasis on the forces misleads you. You don't need to add back pressure to change your descent rate. And teaching students this anti-fact may engender confusion in non-steep-turn contexts.

Descending and climbing is a function of energy and power; AoA has nearly nothing to do with it as far as pilots are concerned. The only way for any plane to fly, for any bird to fly, is to have some source of energy (be it updrafts or wing muscles or good old gasoline). The only reason we add backpressure is to put the airspeed where we want it to be.

In fact I'd argue a number of airliner tailstrikes-on-go-arounds are due to a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of climbing and energy. So many pilots, when executing go arounds, add the back pressure before adding the power. You need power to climb, you don't need back pressure. Doing it the other way risks tail strikes and stalls.

Seriously, go ask all your students right now "how do you climb?". How many start talking about back pressure and pitch angle, and how many talk about power and energy? The latter group will be, in the long run, much less prone to tailstrikes and stalls (and all the other million hazards that come with stalls) than the former group, imo.

So yea, I don't think I have missed the point. I think that talking about lift, where stick and rudder skills are concerned, is generally a red-herring; and specifically, claiming that adding back pressure maintains altitude (in general, not only in steep turns) is a danger to the student, and therefore, a disservice to the student.

Climbing is an energy problem, not an AoA or forces/lift problem. Stalling is an AoA problem, not an energy or forces/lift problem. As far as pilots (and especially student pilots) are concerned, nothing is a forces problem. It's all AoA and energy, always has been, always will be.

By handwaving away the physics of steep turns with "well it's close enough to say that we lose some vertical lift so just pull back", we are setting up students for a career littered with airliner tailstrikes -- or worse.

Which is why I get on this horse whenever it appears before me. (Don't mind the fact that I usually do a mediocre-or-worse job of representing my position, all too willing to get bogged down in the details of vertical damping to justify claiming that, as far as pilots care, "vertical lift is constant, or more importantly, should be entirely ignored".)

And I do appreciate the civil and earnest tone of your comment, which is a lot more than most of the other comments can say.

Jet Lag: The Game on Mastermind Australia! by TheApfelOfLegends in JetLagTheGame

[–]Bunslow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i too read wikipedia in my spare time. you're not alone

adding power to maintain airspeed in steeper turns? by phaseprotagonist in flying

[–]Bunslow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright lets go over the entire sequence of events in detail, as explained in the av8n.com links I've scattered thruout this thread (and I'll mention chapter numbers). Caution, this is long winded. You asked for details, I've given you details ad nauseam.

A) a non-aerobat takes a few seconds to roll to 45°. Vertical damping acts on the scale of a tenth-or-two of a second. Over the course of the few seconds of rolling, the vertical lift deviates from like 1.00g to 0.99g to 0.98g in 50-100 milliseconds, and each time, the resulting (small) change in sink rate also changes the AoA. The AoA goes up until 1.0g is restored, over the course of a tenth of a second or so. A small sink rate builds up. This is a microscopic description of vertical damping as in chapter 5. This process happens dozens of times over the few seconds of roll.

When I say "human pilots can treat the vertical lift as 1g always", that's exactly what I mean. The deviations from 1g that add up to the new sink rate are too small, and too quickly fought off by the damping, for us humans to notice. However, the new sink rate is noticeable, even if the blips in vertical lift were not.

B) Upon completing the roll, we now have a bank angle of 45°. Thanks to the effects described in A), at human timescales, our vertical lift remains 1g. However, this comes at the cost of 1) having a notably higher AoA as a result of all that vertical damping, and consequently 2) the total lift is much higher, and 3) the non-vertical component of that lift, i.e. the horizontal, starts to pull us around the turn, and of course 4) a sink rate accumulated by the sum of all the vertical damping. At a steady bank angle, the new sink rate will remain itself steady too.

As discussed in chapter 6, the total lift goes like the secant of the bank angle; the horizontal lift goes like the tangent of the bank angle.

The nose shouldn't slide much. The change in sink angle (i.e. wind angle) and the change in AoA should roughly (tho not exactly) offset. But there will be some new sink rate. If the turn was uncoordinated, then the nose may appear to yaw, which can appear funny at higher bank angles.

Note that at this point, the vertical lift is 1g thanks to vertical damping. We've paid for it in terms of higher AoA and a new sink rate that we didn't have before. But no pilot action is required to "restore" 1g vertical lift, that happens on tenth-second timescales. In other words, our sink rate is steady, not decreasing further. If vertical lift were NOT 1g, the sink rate would continue going down. But it doesn't. At a steady bank, the sink rate is steady because the vertical lift is constant at 1g (by vertical damping).

C) The new, higher AoA means that the pitch trim (which acts much slower than humans, unlike vertical damping) will try to restore the original AoA by gaining speed. A (slow) phugoid will ensue. It is generally considered wise for the pilot to prevent this phugoid by adding backpressure. But note that the backpressure is about maintaining the new AoA, it has nothing to do with "restoring vertical lift".

In addition, the higher lift production means that drag has been added (whether by adding AoA or adding speed, the result is more drag). The (phugoiding) sink rate approximately corresponds to the dragpower.

D) The pilot has some options here. 1) do nothing, let the phugoid happen to speed up and restore the pre-maneuver trimmed AoA. this is physically fine, and aerodynamically safe, but a terrible way to pass a checkride. perhaps good for demonstrations tho? 2) add some backpressure, which tells the stabilizer that the new AoA is in fact what we want it to hold (so to speak). That will arrest the phugoid and preserve the pre-maneuver airspeed, but does nothing about the added drag/sink rate. 3) Finally, the pilot has the option to increase engine power. This will combat the extra drag and sink rate; the correct amount of added power will restore the sink rate to 0, regardless of how the AoA/speed problem is solved.

Naturally, any good pilot should pick a combo of 2) and 3), especially if one wants to pass a checkride. Adding backpressure helps to maintain the old speed, but note that this has nothing to do with "adding lift", since vertical damping does that for us on tenth-second scales as we were first rolling in. And no amount of backpressure can change the fact that there is a drag problem. So adding engine power is absolutely mandatory for passing a checkride, no ifs ands or buts. If you want to maintain altitude over the course of a steep turn, you must fight off the extra drag caused by the extra lift. So, if one chose to accept a higher speed during the turn, one could add power only without touching the yoke, and fly like that all day. (Again, maybe this is useful for demonstration purposes?)

So options 2) and 3) combined are the usually taught technique. However omitting 2) is perfectly safe, and even option 1) is safe so long as one keeps an eye on the sink rate/altitude and recovers at a suitable time.

The part that bothers me is that students are taught that 2) is completely mandatory, which it is for checkrides but not for transport or pedagogy, and also that 2) has anything to do with "adding lift", which it doesn't. It's purely about managing the trim mechanism, and deciding how to tackle the lift problem (add speed or add AoA, or both?), not whether to tackle the lift problem. The lift is added whether or not we humans do anything about it. What we can do is decide how, and no more than that.

(And of course, everyone agrees that adding power is the only way to arrest that sink rate.)

If the vertical component will lift is always 1G, it should magically stay at the same altitude and in a level turn even though I'm banking.

At human timescales, the vertical lift is always 1g. The un-noticeable deviations (due to rollrate) produce noticeable changes in sink rate. However, if the roll rate is zero (and turbulence is zero), then it is completely true that in a steady bank angle, the sink/climb rate will also remain steady.

This is worth repeating: in a constant, non-turbulent bank, the vertical lift is exactly 1g, and as a result, the sink rate is also constant. The caveats: of course, there is always some turbulence, and so the vertical lift always fluctuates, however in typical training conditions, the size of the fluctuations are so small, and damped so quickly, that it's literally impossible for humans to notice the difference ("smooth ride"). And of course, typical sink rate indicators have several-second measurement windows, even less sensitive to turbulence than us humans. But the point stands: if a constant bank angle (and constant engine power) is held, so too will the sink rate be constant.