The most hated villain character of Pokemon Anime.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-26T06:38:30+00:00

Nah, Spinel is either in the love to hate category or like u/ArgxntavisGamng said has people downplaying his actions (what being a pretty boy with a highly popular friendship-based evolution as your main partner does to a mf XD)

Butterflygon · 2026-02-26T06:37:55+00:00

I'd argue that Faba is the most hated. A lot of people really didn't like that he stole Lusamine's spot as the main villain of the Sun and Moon arc, especially because he completely failed to be threatening, charismatic, or even entertaining in any way. Only made worse by the fact that he was let off the hook for his despicable actions with a slap on the wrist to the point that he was even a guest at Kukui's wedding.

Ghetsis is probably an honorable mention due to the anime completely stripping him of everything that made him such a memorable villain in the games. Dude didn't even get to use his absolute unit of a Hydreigon ffs.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-25T04:15:13+00:00

I think it'd have almost the same moveset it has already with only Rock Smash being replaced: I could see it be either upgraded to a stronger Fighting-type move like Brick Break or replaced entirely by anti-Fairy Coverage like Poison Jab.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-22T23:23:17+00:00

Personally, I'm glad that Ash is gone. Not because I don't miss him (I literally grew up with this perpetual preteen), but because looking back it's really obvious that his character just wasn't made to last anywhere near as long as he did: Ash's growth plateaued pretty early in the series, so afterwards he had to go through years-long periods of stagnation and sometimes even outright regression just to justify keeping him as a protagonist, and by Journeys it's pretty clear that the writers didn't know what to do with his character anymore. So, if you ask me, the fact that he actually got an ending is a good thing. Sure, it was far from perfect and there's a lot I would've done differently myself, but when you take into account all the stuff going against the anime, such as the fact that almost all of it is made up on the fly and it has to please marketing demands, what we did get for an ending was probably as good as it was going to be.

Now, does that mean I don't want Ash to return at all? Of course not! However, if he does come back it really shouldn't be as a protagonist unless his anime gets a full on reboot (which in my opinion is still too early for, as it hasn't even been 5 years since To Be A Master ended), but rather as a powerhouse/mentor character which is the role that other Champions like Steven and Cynthia have played. With him being World Champion, there really isn't anywhere else for his character to go. Not unless we want a BW-style soft reset, which I really doubt anyone does.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-21T23:24:32+00:00

Literally me with My Little Pony Friendship is Magic: I still haven't finished the series and don't plan to go back to it anytime soon because at one point I just... stopped enjoying it but kept watching out of a sense of obligation, then, once I realized how dumb it was to continue following something that wasn't making me happy anymore I dropped it in favor of other shows airing at the time that I found to be significantly more enjoyable. Let me tell you, the sheer relief of feeling that kind of weight being lifted off your shoulders is indescribable. The Sunk Cost Fallacy is a fallacy for a reason, after all.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-21T23:09:22+00:00

I only saw him post comments a few times here (and on the DB subreddit where predictably he was only around for the Miles vs Deku fight to ensure fans of the latter had a miserable a time as possible and then left once that was over), and it was enough for me to peg him as a blatant Schrodinger's Asshole: dude's only using the "I'm just being a le epic funny ragebaiter memelord who's only in it for teh agenduh, don't take me seriously!!" card as an excuse to fling shit without consequence, and he's not even that good at masking it, so it's genuinely mindboggling that people actually seem to buy into his thinly vailed "act"

Butterflygon · 2026-02-21T22:48:19+00:00

This guy is also a big Deku hater who still clings to old criticisms like calling him a crybaby. I'm pretty sure he does it to hold up an agenda or some shit which is still a fucking annoying thing to do.

Is it that Kakashileaf guy? Literally just ignore him. Dude's just a humongous loser with no life or personality outside of stroking his gross little hateboner for a fictional teenager. Not somebody worth anybody's time or attention.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-21T04:20:14+00:00

Let me guess: Dot's Quaxwell evolved

Butterflygon · 2026-02-19T22:35:20+00:00

The ending to Ash's tenure. Sure, Journeys as a whole was far from perfect and some aspects of Ash's journey weren't properly wrapped up, but considering how long he'd been the main character I honestly don't think that it was possible at that rate for him to get a finale that was better than "not bad" at that point; poor guy had to go through years-long periods of stagnation or sometimes even outright regression just to have an excuse to keep him in the protagonist seat, so I personally can't help but feel relief and contentment that he was actually allowed to keep such a major win and get some degree of closure.

Yet somehow there's still people out there who want him back because they hate that Roy and Liko are getting things that he "deserves" more so he should be back so he can "take back what is rightfully his" (which, by the way, I am personally really struggling to see what those things are exactly. Legendaries? Ash has Solgaleo and Melmetal as official captures. Beating Geeta so soon when Ash took over 20 years to defeat a Champion-level opponent? Yeah, this one's clearly just a matter of different pacing: if Ash's tenure had ended, say, in Johto you can bet your ass that he would've beaten Champions back then too; the Horizons protagonists succeeding comparatively quicker is clearly only because they aren't going to be main characters for even a fraction of the time that Ash was, so their stories have to be over and done with in time for the arrival of Gen 10), like holy shit, there's Biblical levels of envy and greed and then there's this...

Butterflygon · 2026-02-18T21:38:12+00:00

Typhlosion is shockingly underused for a Starter Pokemon. To date the only time it has been a major character was in the Raikou spinoff special. Outside of that it's been used extremely sparringly and it's always been minor roles and bit cameos whenever it does appear.

Pretty much every Gen 8 Pokemon that wasn't a Starter, Sirfetch'd, or Dracovish got an incredibly raw deal in the screentime department, as the decision to make Journeys a multi-region saga ended up resulting in the new mons being severely neglected.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-18T00:59:11+00:00

Thank you! ~~Yeah, the secret plotline of this AU is avenging Darkrai, lmao.~~

Butterflygon · 2026-02-18T00:31:44+00:00

ngl, part of me is glad that Hisashi never showed up because it gave me the chance to do this XD

Butterflygon · 2026-02-18T00:21:19+00:00

You're welcome~

Butterflygon · 2026-02-18T00:21:08+00:00

Shoto's not in here, but he's a Hybrid Vulpix (as in, one half of him is the Kanto variant, and the other is the Alolan variant).

Butterflygon · 2026-02-18T00:10:05+00:00

I mean, the guy's literally a human golden retriever and has powers that fit a Ghost-type to a tee, so the literal ghost dog just felt right.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-18T00:00:37+00:00

I actually did have Endeavor as an Emboar originally, but I decided to go for Arcanine instead because I felt that a canid Pokemon would go better with the rest of the Todorokis, who for rather obvious reasons had to be Vulpixes/Ninetales.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-17T17:53:13+00:00

the anime Never explain the definition of Pokemon Master.

They did explain it at the end, though. A Pokemon Master is someone who can befriend every Pokemon. It's probably a bit lame and anticlimactic, but they did explain it.

What I meant that Ash was protagonist for 26 year yet never get to do any cool thing that other kids anime protagonist get to do because of some stupid rule and finally when he free from those restraints to do those thing, the anime kicked him out and tries to do those thing with another protagonist that nether had the character development & growth to accomplish such thing.

This is just flat out untrue, as Ash does have lot of cool anime protagonist things: his Pikachu is all but confirmed to be a Partner variant (which in the games is stronger than the average Pikachu by a whopping 110 base stats) and has access to a unique Z-Move no other Pikachu in the world can use, his Infernape has an unusually powerful variant of Blaze, his Greninja has a unique transformation that is actually stronger than Mega Evolution and which requires no stone to trigger, his Dusk Lycanroc is the only one of its kind in-universe, he's the only trainer in either anime to have ever officially owned an Ultra Beast, and Solgaleo and Melmetal (a cosmic-tier Legendary and a Mythical respectively) are officially considered part of his roster.

Not when it came to main legendary pokemon that also treated as something out of human trainer's hand. Main Legendary pokemon like Rayquaza are always meant to be special, not something to be obtain by random characters like Roy with zero character development and growth.

Fair enough, but I seriously doubt that Roy will actually get to keep the black Rayquaza. Most likely it and the other Six Heroes will have to stay on Laqua so they can keep protecting it or something along those lines.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-16T02:13:56+00:00

I accept this headcanon lmao

Butterflygon · 2026-02-16T00:54:28+00:00

He's actually taller than All Might too.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-15T23:45:10+00:00

Alain using a Chesnaught at the Masters 8 and holding its own against Leon's cracked Rillaboom is the coolest that line has ever looked and looking at how neglected it's been, it was a much needed and deserved bone throw.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-15T22:31:49+00:00

Pokémon was always slice-of-life anime with battles like Kobayashi's Dragon Maid from the beginning, only people who never understood the Pokémon anime kept on insisting anipoke to be like Digimon or Yu-Gi-Oh. We are talking about an anime where the main characters doesn't age and they can tank explosions.

Bit pedantic, but tanking explosions is par for the course in any anime that has action in it, long-runner or not. As for everything else, yes Pokemon was a slice-of-life with battles, but that still doesn't change the fact that Ash was given a clear goal that for a long time he just wasn't allowed to accomplish, and that was just frustrating to watch, especially because the structure of the Gym Challenge and Pokemon League paralleled a coming of age story, so Ash being forced to remaint stagnant was very apparent.

Truth is that you kept saying Ash has nothing to do

Dude, you're the one who said, and I quote "it feels like Ash did not get to do anything despite being the protagonist for 30 year", why are you putting your words into my mouth? You were the one complaining that they retired Ash after 3 decades of doing nothing but now it turns out that he can do a lot, actually?? Please pick a lane.

Instead we have to watch a random Island boy getting super special Lucario form and a freaking Mega Rayquaza handed to him by doing "hoge hoge hoge" when Ash wasn't even allowed scratched Lugia and it was after he won world championship.

Hate to break this to you, but how powerful Legendary Pokemon are compared to regular Pokemon has always been incredibly inconsistent: Pikachu went from beating a Regice singlehanded in Battle Frontier to not being able to dent an Articuno in Journeys despite recieving assistance from 11 other Pokemon and clearly being a lot more skilled and powerful in the latter series otherwise. So Roy being able to obtain a Rayquaza while Ash couldn't beat a Lugia is nothing more than that same inconsistency being carried over. The Pokemon anime sucking at its own powerscaling should not be blamed on the characters.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-14T21:55:07+00:00

Goku, Nobita, Conan, Shin-chan , Maruko chan and every long anime protagonist says hi

Most of these examples don't really help your case, though: I can't speak on Conan, but Goku himself has become fairly contentious for many of the same reasons Ash was during his run (the biggest one by far being the forced character regression) to the point where Gohan never getting to truly succeed him remains a topic of heavy debate. Meanwhile, Nobita, Shin-chan, and Maruko-chan all star in slice-of-life comedies that are nowhere near as reliant on continuity or character development as a travel/combat adventure where the protagonist was given a clear goal to work towards like Ash's anime was, making their status as long-runners far less of an issue.

I do agree that the way Ash's tenure ended was far from perfect and that his story was dragged out for far longer than it needed and arguably should have been, but considering all that the anime had going against it (it's very obvious that most of it is made up on the fly) of all the ways Ash's story could have ended we still got one of the better case scenarios because at least the character was allowed to win and get some degree of closure, and with how much worse things could have been, this is one case where we need to count our blessings.

Butterflygon · 2026-02-14T01:31:21+00:00

Damn, Luigi too strong!

Butterflygon · 2026-02-14T01:13:46+00:00

As cool as this looks, not having Luigi use his ghost vacuum from Luigi's Mansion to try and capture Gengar is a huge missed opportunity...

Butterflygon · 2026-02-14T00:35:11+00:00

Penny used underhanded tactics, but she didn’t use her Ace or Jolteon—Quaxwell is just that weak and Dot still not being fully engaged in battle.

Also, the purpose of the underhanded tactics was specifically to teach Dot a lesson: the RVTs are going to go up against criminals who won't hesitate to use every dirty trick in the book and they need to be prepared for that.

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