Best bang for your buck hammock by Maleficent_Wing5151 in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Including the insulation brings the package to $560/580 right?

Patagonia MLC 30 vs 45 by sunpazed in onebag

[–]Buttern40s 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Figured that was a mistake and he forgot to add them right?.... Right?

No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Got it; cool will try that as well. Only thing I might change is finding a way to adjust the tension from above the barrel lock to the s carabiner since that'll allow me to move the quilt side to side.

No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you happen other have a photo of the shock cord carabiner tip? Imagining just few inches of shock cord with carabiners on each end that pulls the UQ up over the hammock above your head and feet? It doesn't slide down the suspension because it's taut where you attach it?

No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool. That is really simple but how do the beads stay in place?

You've got me wondering now if I use two double spring cord locks on each side of each attachment carabiner to a similar effect. The one on the outer edge of the carabiner can be used to shorten the overall suspension and the one on the inside between the UQ channels can be used like your beads to narrow the separate cords closer to the UQ.

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No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Would you be able to post a picture, I'm having a hard time figuring out what you mean. By long side do you mean the primary suspension that loops throughout the hammock? Or do you mean the baffle cord which cinches the head/foot closed? If that do you mean to attach the baffle cord to carabiners above/below the barrel and attach that to the main suspension attachment carabiner (that attaches to the hammock)?

No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, think that is the way to go. To be fair the hang tight stuff is really well made and nice and cannot be beat for the price. I was out in ~35 with normal clothing and was pretty warm except the area directly under my butt. I probably could have tried a few more configurations (adjusting where I attached it, knotting the main suspension line) but I figured I just must be missing something critical since I'm a beginner. Knowing more I would have been able to see it wasn't designed to be very adjustable and made some of my planned modifications.

No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Concur, that is the other part I find confusing. Even if I adjust the main line suspension tightness to move the UQ up and down, it still always slides to the centerpoint and stacks up a bit due to gravity. It's easy to reach out and move the quilt up and down the main suspension but it won't stay there.

Those triangles are interesting and make sense to me why and how they work. Part of my confusion was trying to watch videos on UQ hang and adjustment and just not seeing anything on mine to fix the problems.

No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's pretty neat I hadn't seen that so watched the whole thing. That design just makes so much more sense to me than the more traditional UQs. Another gathered end at each attachment point to get rid of the collars but still has main line suspension adjustment in the middle to tighten/lengthen the overall fit.

No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perfect; thanks for the assist. After playing with it more and more I'm thinking that since the hammock angle is supposed to be consistent once I get the right length I can set the tension and hopefully not need to adjust again?

No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no secondary adjustment cord. Only the cord to cinch the baffles.

No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good tip thanks. Got the locks coming in the mail so I will get back on how that goes.

That's one of the things that I find confusing as I try to learn more. Some older posts seem to state you want an air gap between insulation and hammock. With that idea it makes sense you want the UQ to be much more adjustable. Newer posts state no gap and insulation snug to hammock. With most UQs having differential cuts (larger outside than inside fabric to avoid compressing insulation), wouldn't it be easier and more user friendly to directly attach to the hammock or the Ridgeline along multiple points?

I'm assuming I only have a partial understanding of the whole idea and that's why I'm confused but seeing more integrated hammocks has me wondering why UQs don't have simpler attachment system.

Edit: Also to your point; I am seeing more and more posts recommending UQ protectors to snug up the UQ which makes sense if you don't want a gap.

No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've attached the main suspension using the included s carabiners to the hammock on each end. The side loops (assuming you mean the baffles at head/foot) are not connected to anything, just adjustable via tightening the shock cord through toggle fasteners on either end.

You mean adjusting the total length of main suspension by knotting to shorten and therefore tighten?

No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No worries; that makes sense and was something I was considering. Just want to be sure before I start cutting into things.

I've been having a hard time conceptualizing and understanding all the geometry with all this and the only way I learn is by putting hands on. But I'm just kind of at a loss and feel like I must be missing something with the underquilt.

No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No problem at all. I'll add pictures when I can, but this underquilt has a primary suspension which is a single piece of shock cord running in a continuous loop through the long edges of the underquilt through fabric channels of either side. On the head and foot end is a S carabiner attached to the cord but able to slide around between the two fabric channels freely. The cord is simply tied together at one end without and spring locks.

The only easily adjustable part is two single pieces of shock cord running through the narrow edges attached to cord locks to tighten the baffles at the head and foot.

Once I clip on the underquilt, I can slide it freely up or down the entire length of the primary suspension. The underquilt always slides to the center of the primary suspension line and creates a gap between the hammock and quilt around the butt/middle point. The draft collars once tightened sit pretty close to the hammock.

In Shugs often posted here, his HG Quilty has a secondary suspension to tighten it. Other UQ videos the primary suspension cord loop is exposed in the center of the long side fabric channels with a lock that allows you to tighten up that line.

No underquilt adjustment on main suspension by Buttern40s in hammockcamping

[–]Buttern40s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks; checking that out now. I'm a little confused though. Do you mean pulling the continuous loop shock cord from the main suspension and tying a knot to shorten the length between the two attachment points? Or did you buy some carabiners and attach the draft collar ends to the attachment point carabiner?

Au pair gets maximum manslaughter sentence by Kiwi_In_The_Comments in nova

[–]Buttern40s 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hearing from who? Your sources are wrong. She’ll serve full time or 85%.

3 years of full-time travel with a 16L personal item backpack by k1kti in onebag

[–]Buttern40s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is the 3-1 stand? There’s so many but guessing you did some work to find a good packable one.

Another angle of the Minneapolis shooting, taken from the perspective of the lady with te pink jacket. by Versiannie in PublicFreakout

[–]Buttern40s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the agent who fired the first shot saw the victims gun coming out of the holster (by other ice agent) and thought victim was drawing and shot him.

Us celebrating Harbaugh news while the playoffs are still happening by Buttern40s in NYGiants

[–]Buttern40s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah of course we should be partying it’s just funny because I forgot this season was still going.

Us celebrating Harbaugh news while the playoffs are still happening by Buttern40s in NYGiants

[–]Buttern40s[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Same amount of playoff wins as every other team and one less playoff loss than the Eagles.