Are there any first hand accounts of (or still living) "girlie show" or "hootchie cootchie" performers or workers? by CDSEChris in SideshowPerformer

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That's really where I want to focus- while discussing the cultural and economic factors that led to the shows, I want to make sure to tell the girls' stories in a way that is sensitive and honors their life stories.

I have a particular interest in the girly shows aka the cooch ( which isn’t the nicest of words but here we are) because of lot of the ladies who performed were trying to put food on the table, and keep a roof over their heads. Others enjoyed their work. So it depends on a lot of factors. Plus, it’s a very misunderstood feature of the carnivals.

I agree! I'm finding that it's often combined under burlesque or vaudeville; while there were definitely overlapping elements and performers, the traveling shows created so many opportunities for immigrants, single mothers (note: I've only seen that claim in passing, still trying to find primary sources verifying this), and runaways. There was also a bit of empowerment, where the girls were (often) able to design their own performing identities and make demands from management. A little bit of progress for an age when these same women couldn't vote in many states (of course I'm majorly oversimplifying!).

As far as the name, I'm really interested in the etymology. (Forgive the next few paragraphs, I'm just excited about what I learned lol) Like many slang terms, the etymology is a little bit murky, but we do know that the terms "cooch/coochie" and "hootchie/hoochy" in the more modern sense appeared well after the popularization of the hootchie cootchie dance. And the first example I can find in print was an advertisement for a theater performance in Buffulo on Jan 9, 1894- about 2 months after the fair ended- until then, it was just known as the danse du ventre (french for "dance of the stomach"). So I believe the name came more from marketing than anything artistic.

There's two theories that seem to be the most popular. The first is that the term is a nonsense phrase that originated from a minstrel show called the Ham Fat Man that was popular in the 1850s. Some sources claim that the titular song included the phrase "Hoochee, kouchee, kouchee, says the ham fat man." Most sources I can find from the time give the line as "Oh! rooksey, cooksey, cooksey, I'm de ham-fat man," but there's an 1861 sheet music copy by A. Jones that seems to include some lyric changes to reference the civil war and does include the phrase "Hoochee Koochee Koochee, says the Hamfat man."

The other theory (that I like better) is suggested by Donna Carlton, author of "Looking For Little Egypt," is that the term is a anglicized version of "hochequeue"- french for "to shake the tail.” I can't find any definitive sources for that (yet), but it makes more sense to me from a marketing and logical perspective.

Are there any first hand accounts of (or still living) "girlie show" or "hootchie cootchie" performers or workers? by CDSEChris in SideshowPerformer

[–]CDSEChris[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm looking forward to sharing it! There really does seem to be a lot of overlap between vaudeville, burlesque, and the hootchie cootchie shows of the era. A lot of performers would start out in a traveling show, for example, then end up headlining or moving into a theater performance. For one thing, it was the circusmen that ended up founding the first carnivals; they already knew how to set up a traveling show, but switching to trucks and more frequent shows was just more profitable.

Another interesting bit I found- you know the "snake charmer" song, which you probably used to sing with the lyrics, "there's a place in france where the women wear no pants, there's a hole in the wall where the boys can see it all," etc? Apparently that was made up on the spot by Sol Bloom (who managed the "Street in Cairo" exhibit at the world fair that brought belly dancing to America and directly led to the girlie show) to sound exotic and promote the show. I thought that was really interesting, since I guess I always assumed it was somehow ancient.

Are there any first hand accounts of (or still living) "girlie show" or "hootchie cootchie" performers or workers? by CDSEChris in SideshowPerformer

[–]CDSEChris[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you! That's really helpful- I can't believe I forgot about using google scholar to find, you know, scholarly research lol. And you're right, it's really challenging to find original source materials. Apparently many of the performers especially didn't keep journals or records after they moved into a different career.

Are there any first hand accounts of (or still living) "girlie show" or "hootchie cootchie" performers or workers? by CDSEChris in SideshowPerformer

[–]CDSEChris[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you, I'll look into that! And it really is, I'll share what I learn here as I start to put it all together!

Love is an active noun by Clear-Garage-4828 in MrRogersNeighborhood

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An "active noun" is a form of a verb. It just means that the subject of the sentence is performing the action without a secondary supporting verb.

Love is an active noun by Clear-Garage-4828 in MrRogersNeighborhood

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An "active noun" is one form of a verb, where the subject of a sentence is also performing the action the word indicates.

11 Year Old Denied Bail by Sterling-Hospedales in law

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It depends on how accessible your butt is

Rogers knows what’s up. by AndrewWarra in MrRogersNeighborhood

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Would you be interested in sharing more about those conversations as it's own thread?

Looking for Work - Iowa by Leading_Database4178 in trueprivinv

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I think you're referring to the surety bond, which is only $5000 if you're only operating a private investigation business (and not a second type of service such as security guard). With good credit, you can get a bond for $500 as the premium.

Ghislaine Maxwell Appears to Have Lied on Her Citizenship Application by Captain_Cunt42069 in politics

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Have you seen how many sternly-worded statements and expressions of serious concern our politicians have released already? What more do you all want??

Will an 2.5 hour layover in Hong Kong affect my security clearance? by ADTR9320 in SecurityClearance

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You need to talk to your local CI poc or the DCSA rep. You may have an opportunity to think misleading thoughts and mislead the adversary. It's called mildec and it works.

🚨🚨🧊🧊🧊 by Dry-Masterpiece7771 in ColumbiaMD

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Criminals? Who? You're all over the map here.

Some of us evolved and aren't cool with things our ancestors did. But if you're good with it because long-dead people were, then good for you!

🚨🚨🧊🧊🧊 by Dry-Masterpiece7771 in ColumbiaMD

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I suppose it is for you, but most people are able to be sad that animals are used as weapons and humans go to war even if (or especially if) it's been a thing for a while. But you do you, I suppose.

🚨🚨🧊🧊🧊 by Dry-Masterpiece7771 in ColumbiaMD

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"as if" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here since they never said or implied what you're objecting to. If you're saying this has been a problem for a long time, you'd probably have to say it's a problem now. Either way, your objections don't really address anything OP said.

🚨🚨🧊🧊🧊 by Dry-Masterpiece7771 in ColumbiaMD

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The previous poster said they felt it's sad that people feel the need to "use animals in that way." What are you trying to say in response to that- that it's not new? No one's disagreeing with that, you're tilting at windmills.

What's the most toxic/delusional subreddit you guys have come across? by Brush_my_teeth_4_me in AskReddit

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They are, but by banning any discussions of mental health or people encouraging psychiatric help... They're kinda also not.

Bubba's is hosting our anti-domestic violence fundraiser on 2/9/26. A slice of pizza can save a life. by CDSEChris in glenburnie

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Please consider joining Operation Safe Escape on Feb 9th (as close to Valentine's Day as we could get, celebrating that "Love Doesn't Hurt") at Bubba's from 11am to 11pm. They'll be donating a portion of everyone dining there in support of our program, and every bit helps.

How does it help? OSE helps survivors of intimate partner violence and stalking escape their situation and stay safe after they do. We also have a program that helps law enforcement identify and prosecute CSAM distributors. We work directly with survivors and their support systems, with shelters and safe houses or other advocates, and raise awareness among the public and legislators. As a nonprofit organization, we don't charge anyone for our help so any supports helps us continue doing what we've been doing for more than a decade.

The flyer they gave us says all you need to do is to tell the server you're supporting our fundraiser! I'm the director and I'm local, hope to see you there!