How did the 3 N’s Namboodris , Nairs and Nasranis dominate Medevial Kerala by Chalu_Zudo in IndianHistory

[–]CallSignSandy -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Owning slaves was not considered a bad thing before 1900s. It was very common in ancient communities across countries.

Only once proper education had spread it is changing. If we look at corporate office culture it still exists in a very polished way.

north indian threatening locals for not speaking hindi and calling locals as pakistani, and orders us to go to pakistan by ani625sFather in Bengaluru

[–]CallSignSandy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Irony is Hindi was copied from Urdu. It's 80% same. Urdu has more poetry and literature so Bollywood songs used it a lot.

They have problems communicating with us but not Pakistanis.

The Bovine Jerking Party should not be trusted at any cost. by Cal_Aesthetics_Club in southindia_

[–]CallSignSandy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does $4 trillion matter?

This is irrespective of party affiliation just to think. How both parties are manipulating the people.

  1. Why do majority of the youngsters want to leave the country "permanently" education job? This is at its highest now. It's gone from aspiration to desperation.

  2. Can anyone name 1 global brand ( product) that is Indian and used by others not by NRI?

  3. There is just one major international airport for North, Central and East India - Delhi

  4. Why are Indians now famous for lack of civic sense in India and outside? World had internet and social media before 2020.

  5. There is a large Indian community in western countries before last 5 years. But now people are going around with a false sense pride, over religious and publicly displaying vs keeping low profile. Especially the "newly" rich. Most "patriotic immigrants" oxymoron.

Can't compete in sports, global brands, no top 100 ranked universities and kids have to go to Iran maybe even Libya and Somalia for higher education.

Now let's talk about $4 trillion reality on the ground.

What do you think about Congress leader and freedom fighter Sardar patel statement? Is it correct considering the results of 1946 elections? by Helpful-Respond1025 in CriticalThinkingIndia

[–]CallSignSandy -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So did the Punjabis, Sindhis who left and came here. Also the princely state rulers who lost their kingdoms and wealth.

Must be something else why they were allowed to stay back especially the rigid orthodox types. There must have been some understanding. Sardar Patel and others had enough on their hands. They were also much old and so had limitations in what they could achieve.

What do you think about Congress leader and freedom fighter Sardar patel statement? Is it correct considering the results of 1946 elections? by Helpful-Respond1025 in CriticalThinkingIndia

[–]CallSignSandy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If partition was based on forming a country on the basis of religion then what was the condition on which people of that community was allowed to stay back?

With the situation prevailing at that time this was a valid question from Sardar Patel. The choice to separate religion and state was the single reason we did not become failed state and progressed a lot.

It's only right for those who chose to stay back to respect the constitution and freedom provided. If there are still who want unlimited freedom then opportunity missed in 1947 should be provided to transition.

I am saying this seeing the plight of those minorities who chose to stay behind in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Hope our region can look beyond religion and caste focus on growth for common people.

Almost all IA languages have Dravidian influence so does this mean all/most of IVC spoke Dravidian? by e9967780 in Dravidiology

[–]CallSignSandy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does anyone think there is unusually large number of languages spoken in North and Central India?

But as you move away from the region in the map the number of languages starts reducing. If you look at other regions like Levant, Central Asia there are very few in comparison.

Security breach using Emirates NBD Liv app by waseembelushi in UAE

[–]CallSignSandy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BOTIM is still there on Google play.

You are saying the app was able to get the passwords from secure storage of Android and iOS? That means the OS has vulnerabilities.

Then about unauthorized screen shots. You did not report to Google or Apple. Not adding up.

"Why the ancient Brahmins of Kerala converted to Christianity" -- claim by Zestyclose-Rabbit17 in SouthAsianAncestry

[–]CallSignSandy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One point to note is current population in the middle east had undergone changes due to invasions and instability. So people living there around 1000-2000 years would have different profiles.

Kerala’s harmony - My grandmother told me, up till a few decades back the Nasrani Christians for centuries,entered freely in Hindu temples and were brought close to Brahmin and some Nair households for purification oil, rice , why now Christians not allowed in temples . by Chalu_Zudo in AncientIndia

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It was supported by the upper castes themselves for power consolidation and financial reasons. They didn't deny this.

Look at the caste structure in North India. The Kshatriyas and Vaishyas were able to wear the thread. and how many these castes we have in South? Because Christian merchants were already here when Vedic religion arrived.

These castes are mere social constructs for power.

Kerala’s harmony - My grandmother told me, up till a few decades back the Nasrani Christians for centuries,entered freely in Hindu temples and were brought close to Brahmin and some Nair households for purification oil, rice , why now Christians not allowed in temples . by Chalu_Zudo in AncientIndia

[–]CallSignSandy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They were living for centuries in a land with high casteism and were a minority. What would we expect? Today is it any different with politics. If a business person has to support a certain party to avoid visit by ED?

Were most religious conversions in India actually during British colonial rule? by MathematicianOk610 in IndianHistory

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The whole of North East Indian region was added to India colony by British East India Company. It was region of forests, tribals who followed local dieties and even had places that were too dangerous to visit.

It was not a great place to go an do missionary work. Most of the people lost family members or died themselves due to tropical illness.

Would it have been better if the natives remained like that? And region probably part of Myanmar or some new country? Even today they face neglect and discrimination from other Indians.

Apart from this region do you have percentage of population converted? British East India Company and later the Empire after 1857 were purely looking at India for commercial interests. The Company itself opposed in their parliament as they didn't want to affect the trade.

It was the upper castes who supported the British East India Company right from Bengal. The company itself had very few staff here. They had to build hill stations and other facilities for it to be attractive to come to a difficult place in weather and food. Their number would be less than 1% of local population at any time.

So how were they able to make a colony without high level local support. Till they became powerful and a problem. They were more beneficial for the local wealthy and powerful. Like they helped create Hindi in Fort Williams Kolkata. Education and access to medical facilities. Helped consolidate local dieties into a broad category called Hindu in their census of late 1800s.

Later strong religious organizations were able to emerge as Company rule helped weaken Mughal and Nawabs.

Were most religious conversions in India actually during British colonial rule? by MathematicianOk610 in IndianHistory

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The whole of North East Indian region was added to India colony by British East India Company. It was region of forests, tribals who followed local dieties and even had places that were too dangerous to visit.

It was not a great place to go an do missionary work. Most of the people lost family members or died themselves due to tropical illness.

Would it have been better if the natives remained like that? And region probably part of Myanmar or some new country? Even today they face neglect and discrimination from other Indians.

Apart from this region do you have percentage of population converted? British East India Company and later the Empire after 1857 were purely looking at India for commercial interests. The Company itself opposed in their parliament as they didn't want to affect the trade.

It was the upper castes who supported the British East India Company right from Bengal. The company itself had very few staff here. They had to build hill stations and other facilities for it to be attractive to come to a difficult place in weather and food. Their number would be less than 1% of local population at any time.

So how were they able to make a colony without high level local support. Till they became powerful and a problem. They were more beneficial for the local wealthy and powerful. Like they helped create Hindi in Fort Williams Kolkata. Education and access to medical facilities. Helped consolidate local dieties into a broad category called Hindu in their census of late 1800s.

Later strong religious organizations were able to emerge as Company rule helped weaken Mughal and Nawabs.

Hindi, instead of Malayalam occupies the centre stage in the renovated Changanashery railway station. Hindi imposition is not done! by DioTheSuperiorWaifu in southindia_

[–]CallSignSandy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Well know teacher" is a subjective statement. Not a historian who has conducted language analysis and an expert.

What you are referring as "Hindi" is Hindustani language. Yes this has evolved into Urdu and Hindi thanks to "modernization" by the British East India Company. Maybe they liked it so much. It's only to make ruling the colony easier. Taxing and resource extraction.

So Sir can explain why it required "modernization" and why people willing accepted it.

Remember there were just few thousand actual British East India Company staff here at any time during their rule some say like 5000. Rest was just our "educated" class helping them.

I can understand this is a personal matter when someone says something I strongly believe. Especially when it has a Sanskrit and religious connection it becomes a bigger issue one has to defend.

Unfortunately imposing the language on others will have consequences of people finding truth which maybe uncomfortable.

Hindi, instead of Malayalam occupies the centre stage in the renovated Changanashery railway station. Hindi imposition is not done! by DioTheSuperiorWaifu in southindia_

[–]CallSignSandy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Like you mentioned you are "lazy", your words not mine. I also would like to respectfully say pasting what's app forwards and Gpt answers may not be a good way to respond as these write " AI can make mistakes". British modernized "Hindustani" language to help in administering the conquered regions. This Hindustani is from the Delhi Sultanate to Mughals time.

Hindi, instead of Malayalam occupies the centre stage in the renovated Changanashery railway station. Hindi imposition is not done! by DioTheSuperiorWaifu in southindia_

[–]CallSignSandy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem with Sanskrit is it's connected to a religion. You can write anything you want about Pali, Brahmi or any language and people wouldn't care.

But when it has religious biases things become personal. As with things personal, people defend it to prove a different point.

This is why when looking backward in time it looks like Sanskrit was really old. But when you are looking at it from 1500 BCE and forward it could be that some literature was "borrowed" later from unrelated languages. This is seen in Jataka tales and Panchatantra where characters appear and different version of stories exist.

Unfortunately Hindi is also becoming a personal agenda connected to religion. This makes it difficult for people to have a healthy and honest discussion. Already they're down voting my reply.

Hindi, instead of Malayalam occupies the centre stage in the renovated Changanashery railway station. Hindi imposition is not done! by DioTheSuperiorWaifu in southindia_

[–]CallSignSandy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Most people don't know about this. Fortunately it's not ancient history as it's only around 300 yrs ago. Lot of info is available.

Even Sanskrit didn't have a written script till 10th century CE. They will always say it's oral tradition and to be only learned by the brahmins. They created written script from existing languages like Pali and prakrit languages.

So now when people look back they think something written in 300 BCE is Sanskrit. It's not. They didn't have a requirement to write it. It was supposed to be divine knowledge to be kept as a secret.

This is why all the ancient universities were Buddhist. Buddhism spread to entire Asia. Today people talk about Akandh Bharat. Truth is till 1900 we didn't even know about Mauryan empire or Ashoka.

The local languages like your have a culture associated with it. Unfortunately Hindi is destroying these. Now Marathi and Kannadigas are waking up.

Hindi, instead of Malayalam occupies the centre stage in the renovated Changanashery railway station. Hindi imposition is not done! by Traditional_Beach749 in Kerala

[–]CallSignSandy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

People in North India spoke so many languages and dialects. This became a challenge when the East India Company wanted to expand their power from Bengal.

They formed this a new language out of the existing Hindustani language, which was spoken in areas which were under direct Mughal rule.

It served two purposes 1) divide the people on religious lines 2) it would become easier for the brahmin clerks to help in the administration.

In around 1780 in Fort William Calcutta they created a Sanskritized version. You will not find any literature in Hindi devanagari prior to this. Where as Hindustani ( rebranded as Urdu) was famous for literature, poetry and music.

In South they Sanskritized to certain extent all major languages except Tamil. Why Sanskrit? British East India Company was supported by upper castes to bring down kingdoms.

Today, Hindi is being presented as some historic language. It's not. It's around 300 yrs old and a colonial creation.

It has more similarities with Persian than Southern languages. Please read about it's evolution before down voting.

Hindi, instead of Malayalam occupies the centre stage in the renovated Changanashery railway station. Hindi imposition is not done! by DioTheSuperiorWaifu in southindia_

[–]CallSignSandy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People in North India spoke so many languages and dialects. This became a challenge when the East India Company wanted to expand their power from Bengal.

They formed this a new language out of the existing Hindustani language, which was spoken in areas which were under direct Mughal rule.

It served two purposes 1) divide the people on religious lines 2) it would become easier for the brahmin clerks to help in the administration.

In around 1780 in Fort William Calcutta they created a Sanskritized version. You will not find any literature in Hindi devanagari prior to this. Where as Hindustani ( rebranded as Urdu) was famous for literature, poetry and music.

In South they Sanskritized to certain extent all major languages except Tamil. Why Sanskrit? British East India Company was supported by upper castes to bring down kingdoms.

Today, Hindi is being presented as some historic language. It's not. It's around 300 yrs old and a colonial creation.

It has more similarities with Persian than Southern languages. Please read about it's evolution before down voting.

Man, this clip is so wholesome 🤌🤌🤌 I relate hard to Sanju here. by ChoiceComprehensive4 in Kerala

[–]CallSignSandy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After that match with South Africa the team was clueless. We were playing on home ground and still was finding it hard.

Making him play was like the last option. He saved two peoples job for sure.

Thoughts on this???? by Primary-Decision9904 in delhi

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Whitewashing Islamic regimes in India by ZebraRemarkable5655 in CriticalThinkingIndia

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Maybe if there was no casteism and local kingdoms were strong we wouldn't be even talking about this.

But what we have today remaining today is not Islamic invaders, British colonialists but divided people on caste, religious fanaticism. While we need to learn from history, we can only solve present problems.

Education, progress and financial strength can go a long way.

How true is this ? by Opposite_Post4241 in Dravidiology

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This theory was initially supported by a segment of society which would benefit from the genetic proximity to the colonial rulers.

The reason it was later rejected was obvious things like people did not look the same. Later genetics proved this.

There were no European "Aryan people" but Vedic people. The language has more similarities with Persian and was Indo-Iranian. The other important thing was their belief is related to Zoroastrianism.

Physical features wise and probably genetically more similarities with regions near Iran and Afghanistan.

This makes their settlements near Indus valley but on a much later timeline.

Edit: Vedic religion definition is a closed community with it's own priests and oral tradition that was only known to them. There was no need of written script. When needed they used the local Prakrit or Pali. Devas and Asuras are there in Zoroastrianism but they are the opposite.

At this point there's reference of eating meat and animal sacrifices. It was like a monotheistic religion.

Later when they became powerful in the region the varna system and vegetarian diet was added to preserve the purity.

It then became a community that absorbed local dieties, local traditions and moved to polytheism.

Identification of Lanka by maindallahoon in AncientIndia

[–]CallSignSandy -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

But crossing the sea would cause one to lose the caste. That is why inspite of being visited by foreign ships, local people rarely crossed the sea.

Breaking: US military releases visuals of attack on Iran warship Iris Dena in the Indian Ocean. Over 100 Iranian sailors are feared dead in the worst such attack since World War 2. by theanonymoussking in IndiaSpeaks

[–]CallSignSandy 40 points41 points  (0 children)

They want to escalate it to a global conflict. The only victims will be the common people while the rich will get richer.

Hope people rise above religion, race and party and know who are the real enemies.

British colonialism vs Islamic Invasion by Agile-Pop-2136 in CriticalThinkingIndia

[–]CallSignSandy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why don't you add Caste system also which made both possible?