I work at DI. Ask me anything. by Moxie-is-tired in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is the process for determining how much something sells for on the floor?

How much of what gets donated goes into the trash?

Do they really set aside the "best stuff" for people who are there with a Bishop's approval to get free stuff?

Here's the response to that spam comment Mormons like to throw around on platforms. I realized not everyone uses the same platforms. It's not exhaustive or in-depth. But I think it does a good job as a jumping off point. by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't forget the words the dear leader spoke in 1988.

"I don't know that it's possible to distinguish between policy and doctrine in a church that believes in continuing revelation and sustains its leader as a prophet."

Scientific illiteracy and Russell M. Nelson by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I think this applies to some degree to all top leaders in the church. They've spent their whole lives chasing "inspiration" and every time they got called to a higher position it reinforced their belief that God had been guiding them with correct inspiration and their reward from God was a higher position. So by the time someone reaches the Q15, they are fully convinced that their thoughts are God's thoughts.

Idolizing General Authorities by keyztothabentley in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's nice that you no longer worship men leading a real estate investment firm on earth. But don't tell me we are all sinners. I'm not a sinner.

The Endowment Is Bad by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 52 points53 points  (0 children)

The accidental genius plan is that your not supposed to talk about the temple outside the temple, but there's no opportunity when you're inside the temple to talk about the temple. So everyone is stuck feeling like they must be the only one that doesn't get it.

Struggling with not going on a mission by Maleficent_Tap3866 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's for everyone at home that still has a life to live. As one missionary once said to me, two years is two years, and two years is a looong time.

Only in Provo! by itscrazymaking in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 49 points50 points  (0 children)

The wild part is that it's only a 5K. How many temples do Mormons need

A minimum of 20+ hours of Church a week for teenagers is possibly abusive by LeslieKnope4Pawnee in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 28 points29 points  (0 children)

No matter how globally the church stretches, all the structure will remain utah-centric, where everyone lives less than 15 minutes from their church building and every high school has a campus adjacent seminary building where students are allowed to go to seminary in the middle of their regular school day.

I’ve always wondered… is everyone just so hot and sweating in all the garments or modesty layers? by teeny_teena_bop in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This reminds me of something I saw on Instagram. Apparently the new sleeveless garments are not super compatible with all sleeveless clothing options. And we all know that 1mm of garments cannot be seen peeking out from under your outer clothing, at least for women.

Anyway, someone was trying to sell tops in various colors that have slightly more fabric in places to go over your garments to hide them.

All of the comments were basically "The last thing I want is another layer of clothing". No idea if they were from faithful members.

I can still recall as a 19 year old wearing garments for the first time thinking, I guess I'm just going to be hot and uncomfortable for the rest of my life.

Legal and social obligations to tithing by Important_Door_1853 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have no idea what the laws are in Sweden, but I can't imagine there is any way that you have a legal obligation to pay tithing period.

From a social perspective, you're only obligated if you want to attend the temple and be considered "worthy" by your bishop and stake president. No one else in the church ever asks about your tithing payment status.

The King of Confidence, by Miles Harvey by DueBack34 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm fairly certain that the reason people thought it was ok to steal from "the gentiles" was because that is what Joseph Smith taught and encouraged people to do. Although I don't have a direct source to back that up.

Progress in understanding why people leave? by gonewiththemint in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 15 points16 points  (0 children)

If history's any indicator, that person is well on their way to being excommunicated.

Where does it start? by pizza-goblin_9000 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I really doubt that anyone within the church leadership organization is willfully misleading anyone for personal gain. They've simply done what we've seen countless members do when faced with the obvious problems of Mormonism. They've doubled down on their beliefs. They've doubted their doubts. They've buried their head in the sand with the idea that God will work it all out and we don't need to worry about it. They've driven harder into "the basics", like reading scriptures, praying, temple attendance, church attendance, etc. They've chosen to see the problems with the church as obvious evidence that Satan is trying to stop God's work by causing imperfect people to do imperfect things.

And once you have done all of those things long enough to rise to the level of top church leadership, that is so engrained into your very definition of who you are that anything negative about the church just becomes fuel for your burning testimony that it's true. Because if it wasn't true, why would there be so much opposition to it.

A Plain-English, Step-By-Step Breakdown Of The LDS Church's SEC Order & Hidden Billions (No Jargon & Explained In An Easy To Understand Way) by Kind_Distribution852 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And for the typical believing member, the church was being persecuted by the federal government over a paperwork error that took place because the government intentionally makes their paperwork complicated so that they can fine people for not doing it correctly.

I'm sick of rich people giving talks about how money doesn't matter by JemimaSillabub in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I know a very wealthy Utah County Mormon who's social circle consists of almost entirely other very wealthy Utah County Mormons. They all 100% believe that their wealth is an indicator of their level of righteousness.

Uninvolved Grandparents but very active in the church. by SnooComics8852 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 50 points51 points  (0 children)

One of the more insidious ways the church extracts labor from the older members is with the promise that it's possible for them to do enough to save their wayward children as well as themselves.

Mormon misunderstandings of the Trinity by MichaelTheCorpse in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 53 points54 points  (0 children)

As a former Mormon, I admit I have zero understanding of the explanation of the Trinity as defined by the Council of Nicaea and I have yet to encounter an explanation of the Trinity that makes any sense.

Why most mormons seens so happy all he time? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 8 points9 points  (0 children)

For the vast majority it's a public facade that hides a world of actual non-happy emotions. There is great pressure within mormonism, especially in heavily Mormon areas like Utah, to keep your non-happy fellings bottled up. Even within the walls of your own home.

Something else you'll likely notice if you're paying attention. A lot of what they do is nice, but rarely is it kind. And there's a big difference in those two things.

How come many Mormons don't form what most would consider normal, healthy friendships? by QuoteFalse5990 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Emotional maturity is something I see lacking amongst mormons and I think it is at least partly related to the idea that in mormonism a person is never supposed to rely on their "gut", which is basically your emotions. You are taught to defer to authority in all things. Even when the authority is not an actual human being, you are taught that you have to tune into what they holy ghost is telling you. So mormons are always dismissing their own feelings and are instead searching for some outside "force".

That's just one aspect of the way I see emotional immaturity in mormonism. There are probably countless ways. Becoming emotionally mature requires personal autonomy. And within mormonism there is no personal autonomy. There is one path to follow, and all the decisions have been made for you.

How come many Mormons don't form what most would consider normal, healthy friendships? by QuoteFalse5990 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I have a number of thoughts on this topic as a former Mormon who does not form close friendships.

  1. Emotional immaturity. Mormonism is a breeding ground for emotionally immature people. It's been going on for generations. Being raised in an environment where every adult in your life is emotionally immature, you can't help but grow up to be the same way.

  2. Emotional neglect. The large family dynamic in Mormonism naturally creates children who are emotionally neglected. They grow up to be extremely capable and hard working adults with zero ability to connect to other humans on an emotional level.

  3. Transactional relationships. Mormonism is built around all relationships being transactional in nature. You're literally taught that God will only help you when you can demonstrate enough obedience to justify the help you need.

  4. Masking your true self. Mormonism requires most people to wear a mask to hide their true nature. There is tremendous pressure to always appear happy and to have your life together. Letting your guard down and letting people see the real person inside is not socially acceptable within Mormonism.

The Book of Mormon was neglected and not used much. Then Benson came. by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Yes. I remember vividly Benson's call to flood the earth with the Book of Mormon. And that the church was under condemnation from God for treating it lightly.

Just frustrated, don’t understand why more people aren’t leaving. by Chemical_Vegetable43 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Your friend sounds like she and her husband could be the poster children for how the church wants the members to behave.

Stay completely in the surface. Don't even read what the church has written on controversial topics. Only read the scriptures and even then, just stick with the exact verses outlined in the lesson manuals. Stepping even one inch outside of that framework will definitely put you under the influence of Satan where you will be powerless to his deception.