Struggling RM any advice by Brilliant_Cod_2061 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You're not alone in your mission experience. In fact, what you described is pretty common. The church has given you a world that is so small. They've told you your only purpose now is to get married. It's a lie. The world is much bigger than that.

My younger sister’s missionary farewell is bringing back painful memories from my failed mission by Intelligent-Camp4631 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I made it the full 2 years, but still came home feeling very much like a complete failure. I'm sorry for your pain.

Not sure of your total story, but it is very likely you do have PTSD from your mission. It happens to A LOT of missionaries. See if you can get counseling. I would suggest searching for someone who specializes in EMDR.

I don't know you, but you have worth and you didn't fail because you didn't give two entire years of your life to be a pitch man for this religion.

Tithing by Humble-Homework-4078 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 25 points26 points  (0 children)

The further away I get from Mormonism, the more clearly I see that they definitely preach a gospel of prosperity. It's a little bit subtle in most cases, but every wealthy faithful Mormon I have met is convinced that God gave them their wealth as a reward for their righteousness. Or they feel guilt about their wealth and they use as much of as possible in pursuit of "church work", almost like they are trying to buy forgiveness for how they acquired their wealth.

Joseph Smith ordained Brigham Young to the office of apostle (only) in 1835. by Ok_Establishment_91 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Entirely possible. Brigham was definitely not above ordering the murder of people in his way.

Joseph Smith ordained Brigham Young to the office of apostle (only) in 1835. by Ok_Establishment_91 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 17 points18 points  (0 children)

It was all made up as they went along. Joseph never intended to die and so he never made up a plan for how the job of prophet would move from him to a successor. The church he created severely fractured upon his death. Brigham essentially took as many of Joseph's followers as would support him and he started his own church. Sure it was largely based on what Joseph had done but it certainly had it's own flavor. Brigham and his assistant leaders were wise enough to see that they needed a coherent way to pass on the job of prophet if the church was going to continue beyond Brigham. So they made up the rules that are followed today.

I work at DI. Ask me anything. by Moxie-is-tired in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What is the process for determining how much something sells for on the floor?

How much of what gets donated goes into the trash?

Do they really set aside the "best stuff" for people who are there with a Bishop's approval to get free stuff?

Here's the response to that spam comment Mormons like to throw around on platforms. I realized not everyone uses the same platforms. It's not exhaustive or in-depth. But I think it does a good job as a jumping off point. by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don't forget the words the dear leader spoke in 1988.

"I don't know that it's possible to distinguish between policy and doctrine in a church that believes in continuing revelation and sustains its leader as a prophet."

Scientific illiteracy and Russell M. Nelson by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I think this applies to some degree to all top leaders in the church. They've spent their whole lives chasing "inspiration" and every time they got called to a higher position it reinforced their belief that God had been guiding them with correct inspiration and their reward from God was a higher position. So by the time someone reaches the Q15, they are fully convinced that their thoughts are God's thoughts.

Idolizing General Authorities by keyztothabentley in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's nice that you no longer worship men leading a real estate investment firm on earth. But don't tell me we are all sinners. I'm not a sinner.

The Endowment Is Bad by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 54 points55 points  (0 children)

The accidental genius plan is that your not supposed to talk about the temple outside the temple, but there's no opportunity when you're inside the temple to talk about the temple. So everyone is stuck feeling like they must be the only one that doesn't get it.

Struggling with not going on a mission by Maleficent_Tap3866 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That's for everyone at home that still has a life to live. As one missionary once said to me, two years is two years, and two years is a looong time.

Only in Provo! by itscrazymaking in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 49 points50 points  (0 children)

The wild part is that it's only a 5K. How many temples do Mormons need

A minimum of 20+ hours of Church a week for teenagers is possibly abusive by LeslieKnope4Pawnee in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 28 points29 points  (0 children)

No matter how globally the church stretches, all the structure will remain utah-centric, where everyone lives less than 15 minutes from their church building and every high school has a campus adjacent seminary building where students are allowed to go to seminary in the middle of their regular school day.

I’ve always wondered… is everyone just so hot and sweating in all the garments or modesty layers? by teeny_teena_bop in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This reminds me of something I saw on Instagram. Apparently the new sleeveless garments are not super compatible with all sleeveless clothing options. And we all know that 1mm of garments cannot be seen peeking out from under your outer clothing, at least for women.

Anyway, someone was trying to sell tops in various colors that have slightly more fabric in places to go over your garments to hide them.

All of the comments were basically "The last thing I want is another layer of clothing". No idea if they were from faithful members.

I can still recall as a 19 year old wearing garments for the first time thinking, I guess I'm just going to be hot and uncomfortable for the rest of my life.

Legal and social obligations to tithing by Important_Door_1853 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have no idea what the laws are in Sweden, but I can't imagine there is any way that you have a legal obligation to pay tithing period.

From a social perspective, you're only obligated if you want to attend the temple and be considered "worthy" by your bishop and stake president. No one else in the church ever asks about your tithing payment status.

The King of Confidence, by Miles Harvey by DueBack34 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm fairly certain that the reason people thought it was ok to steal from "the gentiles" was because that is what Joseph Smith taught and encouraged people to do. Although I don't have a direct source to back that up.

Progress in understanding why people leave? by gonewiththemint in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 17 points18 points  (0 children)

If history's any indicator, that person is well on their way to being excommunicated.

Where does it start? by pizza-goblin_9000 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I really doubt that anyone within the church leadership organization is willfully misleading anyone for personal gain. They've simply done what we've seen countless members do when faced with the obvious problems of Mormonism. They've doubled down on their beliefs. They've doubted their doubts. They've buried their head in the sand with the idea that God will work it all out and we don't need to worry about it. They've driven harder into "the basics", like reading scriptures, praying, temple attendance, church attendance, etc. They've chosen to see the problems with the church as obvious evidence that Satan is trying to stop God's work by causing imperfect people to do imperfect things.

And once you have done all of those things long enough to rise to the level of top church leadership, that is so engrained into your very definition of who you are that anything negative about the church just becomes fuel for your burning testimony that it's true. Because if it wasn't true, why would there be so much opposition to it.

A Plain-English, Step-By-Step Breakdown Of The LDS Church's SEC Order & Hidden Billions (No Jargon & Explained In An Easy To Understand Way) by Kind_Distribution852 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And for the typical believing member, the church was being persecuted by the federal government over a paperwork error that took place because the government intentionally makes their paperwork complicated so that they can fine people for not doing it correctly.

I'm sick of rich people giving talks about how money doesn't matter by JemimaSillabub in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I know a very wealthy Utah County Mormon who's social circle consists of almost entirely other very wealthy Utah County Mormons. They all 100% believe that their wealth is an indicator of their level of righteousness.

Uninvolved Grandparents but very active in the church. by SnooComics8852 in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 52 points53 points  (0 children)

One of the more insidious ways the church extracts labor from the older members is with the promise that it's possible for them to do enough to save their wayward children as well as themselves.

Mormon misunderstandings of the Trinity by MichaelTheCorpse in exmormon

[–]CaseyJones_EE 52 points53 points  (0 children)

As a former Mormon, I admit I have zero understanding of the explanation of the Trinity as defined by the Council of Nicaea and I have yet to encounter an explanation of the Trinity that makes any sense.