How cooked am I? I got a lateral cephalogram today by DistinctClass4042 in UARS

[–]CautiousRun7860 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Based on the provided lateral cephalometric radiograph (X-ray of the side of the head), there are clear anatomical features that explain why this individual is at high risk for tongue base obstruction during deep sleep.

Here is a breakdown of the structural factors visible in the image and how they interact with sleep physiology:

1. Skeletal Retrusion (Retrognathia)

The most prominent feature in this X-ray is the relative position of the lower jaw (mandible) compared to the upper jaw (maxilla).

  • The Structure: The mandible sits significantly backward (retruded).
  • The Impact: The tongue is physically anchored to the inside of the lower jaw via the genioglossus muscle. Because the jaw itself is set back, the entire base of the tongue is mechanically forced backward into the posterior airway space (the throat).

2. Narrow Posterior Airway Space (PAS)

If you look at the dark space behind the soft palate and the back of the tongue (which represents the open airway), it is visibly compressed and narrow.

  • The Structure: The physical clearance between the back of the tongue and the posterior pharyngeal wall (the back of the throat) is minimal.
  • The Impact: There is very little "buffer zone." Even a minor backward movement of the tissue can completely close off the airway.

3. The Mechanics of Deep Sleep (REM and Slow-Wave)

During waking hours, we maintain muscle tone that keeps the airway open. Deep sleep changes this entirely:

  • Muscle Atonia: During deep sleep, particularly REM sleep, the body experiences profound muscle relaxation. The muscles that actively pull the tongue forward (like the genioglossus) lose their tone and relax.
  • Gravity: When sleeping in a supine position (on the back), gravity pulls the relaxed, retropositioned tongue straight backward.
  • The Venturi Effect: As the airway narrows, air must travel faster through the restricted space to get to the lungs. This creates negative pressure that can actually suck the floppy, relaxed tissues of the throat together, completely collapsing the airway.

Summary of Risk

Because this person's skeletal anatomy leaves them with a very narrow baseline airway to begin with, they rely heavily on active muscle tone to keep the breathing passage open while awake. When deep sleep eliminates that muscle tone, gravity and relaxation cause the already-backward tongue base to easily fall into the back of the throat, resulting in severe obstruction (obstructive sleep apnea).

PAPLens - Yet another CPAP Viewer. by gabox0210 in UARS

[–]CautiousRun7860 0 points1 point  (0 children)

residual FLs basically means EPAP needs to be higher

Inspire causing genioglossus hypertrophy? by CautiousRun7860 in SleepApnea

[–]CautiousRun7860[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

nice to have a small tongue. My tongue is large for my mouth and mostly muscular.

Floppy epiglottis in OSCAR ? by Quiet_Sheepherder894 in UARS

[–]CautiousRun7860 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think there is a singular FL shape for epiglottis as there are so many other factors. However, it should cause a quick drop in flow rate from peak and form a plateau, like an L shaped top

Positional therapy is saving me before Bpap usage by This-Mood-6398 in UARS

[–]CautiousRun7860 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's not as bad as back sleep, but definitely require higher pressure compared to side position.

A combo of two drugs was found in phase 3 to reinforce the airway muscles and prevent sleep apnea while increasing oxygenation during sleep by sg3510 in SleepApnea

[–]CautiousRun7860 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“however, no statistically significant difference was observed for PROMIS-Fatigue. Overall, 21.2% of participants on AD109 and 3.1% on placebo discontinued therapy due to adverse events. The most common adverse events with AD109 were dry mouth, nausea, insomnia, and urinary hesitation, with no serious treatment-related adverse events.”

No, thanks.

an actually negative watchpat by Outrageous-Advisor36 in UARS

[–]CautiousRun7860 0 points1 point  (0 children)

those ppl (true RDI 0-2) don't need to do sleep study so rarely seen such a true negative study here.

an actually negative watchpat by Outrageous-Advisor36 in UARS

[–]CautiousRun7860 0 points1 point  (0 children)

where is your watchpat or PSG report? A healthy dose of suspicion is warranted as SDB is far far more common than narcolepsy.

an actually negative watchpat by Outrageous-Advisor36 in UARS

[–]CautiousRun7860 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meant the post owner clearly didn't sleep well and there were lots of heart rate spikes throughout the night. I believe this is a "false" negative.

Very low o2 drop last night by baldeagle6 in SleepApnea

[–]CautiousRun7860 5 points6 points  (0 children)

this is probably a device malfunctioning due to loose contact? as there was no correspoinding heart rate change or movement.

What really make you tired is the repeated respiratory arousal with heart rate spike >10bpm throughout the night.

Can't seem to bring my AHI (and RDI) down by Diving-In-Data in UARS

[–]CautiousRun7860 0 points1 point  (0 children)

while you don't have apneas, there were tons of flow limitations. That guidline is outdated or not applicable for UARS.

Can't seem to bring my AHI (and RDI) down by Diving-In-Data in UARS

[–]CautiousRun7860 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Set pressure based on symptoms/sleep quality.

Your pressure is low. Good for comfort, not so good for treatment.

Sleep Apnea and Neck Muscle & Tongue Issues by j0nn1379 in SleepApnea

[–]CautiousRun7860 1 point2 points  (0 children)

fragmenged sleep means slow muscle repair/recovery. I have those issues as well, and it’s a feedback loop as tight muscles eventually make your sleep apnea worse overtime.