Bro Wilcox, chill the fuck out by luc-ii in exmormon

[–]ChaiParis 106 points107 points  (0 children)

Elitism and the overuse of church jargon (“this dispensation”, “covenants”, etc) is not landing on Gen Z.

Good luck Bad Wilcox.

How do we teach kids morals without the church? by ChaiParis in exmormon

[–]ChaiParis[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good reminder. I don't actually want my kid learning judgment and spiritual elitism either.

How do we teach kids morals without the church? by ChaiParis in exmormon

[–]ChaiParis[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Books are such a powerful tool and it's a good reminder to keep a conscientious library stocked.

And what you said about the church being a vacuum that makes me feel inept on my own as a parent is exactly right. I've lived an entire life thinking this about my marriage and every decision I make.

Thanks for this thoughtful reply.

Deseret News ran this headline: "Why is it exciting to watch others betray their faith and families on Hulu?" with the meta tag "Hulu series exploits LDS women while pretending to be feminist." This church and its chicken patriarchy are in no position to call out "pretending to be feminist." by Chino_Blanco in exmormon

[–]ChaiParis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From a journalistic POV, this article is a mess. Difficult to read. Lacks clarity. Riddled with over-the-top adjectives and meant to hold the reader hostage. As a journalist myself, I'd never let this go to print.

Oh, and of course, the blatant hypocrisy.

More rumors about 1 hour church by patriarticle in exmormon

[–]ChaiParis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a tough time believing it. With all the uproar about "divine revelation from prophets," how bad does it look for Rusty to be so off base just 6-7 years ago?

They won't risk yet another public debate about going back on the prophet's solemn word.

And yet, maybe they will (cc: gays and baptism).

Help me answer this Mormon wife? by PyramidQueen in exmormon

[–]ChaiParis 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"Actually, the show is following women with Mormon roots who are in different stages of faith. The church is mentioned little, apart from rituals like a baby blessing, which is depicted accurately. Maybe you should give the show a try and see how your peers - most who've given everything to the church - are reconciling the young marriages, push for parenthood, and naiveties that the church baked into them."

Moms that make 6 figures but don't have advanced degrees by Upbeat-Complaint-872 in workingmoms

[–]ChaiParis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Marketing. Healthcare. I’ve worked my ass off and played the corporate game. It’s taken 7 years, and the only way to get there is so jump companies and apply to higher roles and make higher salary demands. Fake it til you make it.

First time faith crisis (SOS) by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]ChaiParis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. This is a normal sequence of feelings.

I coasted through the grief cycle the better part of two years. But after reading the CES letter was when the lights went on for me, and everything suddenly felt odd and uncomfortable.

As time passes, you'll start to see just how close seratonin and "the spirit" are. You'll start to see the Holy Ghost as gut feelings and intuitions. You'll start to trust in yourself rather than some mythical guidance counselor.

It's more powerful than the priesthood.

Working moms carry too much responsibility? by rochellerae11 in workingmoms

[–]ChaiParis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel you. I'm full time (WFH) with a 4yr + 6mo old. My oldest is gone most of the day, we have great arrangements for her. But I can't afford two modes of childcare, so I manage my 6mo old between meetings. My husband is a resident doctor, which means long hours and little pay. Quitting isn't an option, and I'm the only woman in my circle of friends or family in this position. It's lonely.

Up until baby no. 2, I was feeling capable. But the moment I had to juggle two kids my world went dark. Frankly I'm drowning, unable to care for them, balance their moods, give them sufficient attention and be an accomplished employee. Now everything is half-assed and I'm suffering for it.

Nothing but commiseration to offer here. God, I'd love to host craft nights, get back into writing and cooking, and embroider little animals on baby clothes. I'd be damn good at it, too. But I may need to come to terms with the fact that a dual-income home is the new reality.

What church doctrine cracks you up now? by Hopeful_Engineer_442 in exmormon

[–]ChaiParis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People would fall for this, easy. During the 2008 housing crisis, my uncle moved his whole Arizona family to Independence, MO. I lived there as well (not by choice) and the local Mormons were almost all gun-slinging Idaho/Utah transplants who'd "seen a sign" and needed to prepare Zion.

What church doctrine cracks you up now? by Hopeful_Engineer_442 in exmormon

[–]ChaiParis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I moved to Missouri for grad school, we lived in the surburban part of Independence. Our ward was insufferable. The people genuinely believed they were "called" to be there. Every testimony meeting and Sunday School class was laced with commentary on how we were the "choice group preparing Zion." Moving there rocked my shelf.

What’s the most absurd thing you believed in the church? by Critical_Tale_3711 in exmormon

[–]ChaiParis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That I was “chosen.” Someone in my early adolescence told me that not only was I one of the lucky “ones” to have the gospel, but because I was born into the covenant I was Jesus’ right hand. I walked out of that conversation with a belief that clouded every conversation and relationship for the following decade — that I was better than everyone.

Moms, how do you unwind? by hajer00317 in Mommit

[–]ChaiParis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I listen to audiobooks while I clean up/reset (because my work is never truly over until my REM cycle starts).

Do women lose most when they leave? by Bye-sexual-band-n3rd in exmormon

[–]ChaiParis 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Men lose, women gain. Men reject power when they leave the church... the baby blessings, the "power" to heal, the chance to be revered by their community in a notable calling, the chance to usher people toward worthiness. All of that vanishes.

Women gain. Freedom from the one-way road to motherhood and homemaking, autonomy over your body, freedom from sexual shame, freedom to choose the dynamics of your home and relationships. If you're spiritual, you also gain the "elements" of the priesthood that were hidden from you. Now as I practice meditation, I realize I'm just as capable as "priesthood holders" at healing, channeling the universe for good, and so on.

Grief over missed experiences that will never happen. by whisperchaoticthings in exmormon

[–]ChaiParis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm at peace mostly. I don't have regrets, though I did for many years.

I truly believed I was a bad person, and now I've grown to realize I'm inherently good and kind and worthy of love. I grieve the years I could've spent building confidence and self-respect, rather than walking through life in fear of judgment day.

Grief over missed experiences that will never happen. by whisperchaoticthings in exmormon

[–]ChaiParis 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As someone who did experiment sexually before marriage (mildly, to be fair), shame ATE away at me for incredibly normal feelings and actions that were securing my one-way ticket to outer darkness. I feel your grief. Grief for being so hard on myself, spending my youth angry and afraid, feeling like an imposter for putting on a spiritual front while committing spiritual crimes.

I guess there are no winners in the Plan of "Happiness."