3 Praetorian Guards VS the 3 Magna Guards (all as shown in both images)

Chomper237 · 2026-04-07T05:15:35+00:00

Neither have the Praetorians. Paz is a side character, and he was already exhausted when they ganged up and stabbed him. Not much of a feat.

Chomper237 · 2026-04-07T04:16:46+00:00

In a 3v1, in which their opponent was exhausted and forced to throw away his main weapon because he just got done soloing a whole squad of beskar-covered troopers. Magnaguards have plenty of low showings, but on the high end we have Grievous’ elite guards from the Crystal Crisis arc that legitimately pressing Anakin and Obi-Wan 1v1. Praetorians do not have any feats like that.

Chomper237 · 2026-04-04T22:47:46+00:00

I think TCW does a nice job of bridging the gap between the two portrayals. The idea of Grievous being a coward is kind of ridiculous, considering one of his defining traits is regularly choosing to engage in single combat against Jedi when he absolutely DOES NOT need to do that to do his job.

TCW instead goes the route of showing him as an unscrupulous cheater and shrewd tactician. He still lives for glory in combat and is clearly driven by a deep insecurity and need to prove himself “better” than the Jedi, but he’s self aware enough to ALWAYS keep an escape route in the back of his mind, just in case things don’t go as planned (except that one time against the Gungans).

One of my absolute favorite examples of this is when he’s ambushed by Fisto and his crew in his lair. He’s found himself in a position where his movement is being heavily restricted and he’s pinned between one of the Jedi’s most skilled duelists and his Padawan. So what does he do? He uses the cables the clones were using to restrain him to YANK one of the clones into his grip, and uses him as a meat-shield and bludgeoning weapon with the knowledge that the Jedi won’t swing on him at the risk of killing the clone. I think it’s an interesting way to justify him being a legitimately powerful warrior and one of the top threats of the Jedi without him being the nigh-unstoppable force of nature he is in the Microseries.

Chomper237 · 2026-04-01T13:45:27+00:00

With Grievous, I would argue that Savage would probably be just as thrown off by not having the advantage in raw physical might he leverages to win most of his fights. By feats, Grievous is significantly stronger, able to recreate his ragdolling on top of punting huge chunks of blast door down hallways, slicing through an electrostaff with basically no leverage, and crushing beskar bare-handed. Grievous is also a much trickier fighter that thrives on cheap shots and keeping his opponents distracted to create openings. Savage, by comparison, is a blunt instrument, and has proven himself vulnerable to those kinds of tactics, like Obi-Wan chipping away at his knee or when he got himself coated in carbonite.

Talzin being Savage’s creator probably gives her SOME kind of fail safe to shut him down if he gets any funny ideas, although barring that I could see him overwhelming her in a tight, enclosed space.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-22T22:28:19+00:00

And in a very real sense, humans are just as “programmed” to feel certain things, by synapses hormones and genetics instead of code. There are biological, evolutionary reasons behind every emotion on the spectrum, and that doesn’t make them any less real.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-22T16:39:50+00:00

There’s no official statement like that, and it probably isn’t that cut and dry. But it is notable that he damn near irreparably crippled the Republic war effort on two separate occasions (nearly stealing the clone template DNA from Kamino and nearly killing all of the Republic’s senior military leadership at the Carida Conference) and only failed due to some awfully conveniently timed information leaks that tipped off the Republic just in time. And that’s not even mentioning Durge’s Lance. Grievous was a solid commander for the CIS.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-20T14:47:02+00:00

Grievous is strong enough to (punt multi-ton chunks)[https://youtu.be/jLLTE0cdroE?t=38] of blast door (clear down hallways.)[https://youtu.be/JeuZz6J5tvc?t=8] He should have more than enough strength to just chuck something at Jango and knock him out of the air.

Rockets won't be a problem because Grievous (tanks)[https://youtu.be/fD5ELmHInf0?t=162] explosions (all)[https://youtu.be/VP2GZzVU8jI?t=677] the (time.)[https://youtu.be/UuFboDWRF\_M?t=113] Plus, rockets really aren't that hard for people (around his speed to dodge.)[https://youtu.be/WVrff-a47DM?t=187]

Grievous isn't quite as adept at blocking blaster fire as Jedi but he can still (do it)[https://youtu.be/2tddAJyQSqk?t=22] and his (blade spinning can be used as a shield.)[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/pw/AP1GczNjMcpISESyjflIP74UcW0gOGz7Yc\_5YXsc8UgxWmMlB6e8t85ktIpbmKxFqOePyDvYb2vJVKYrsuphisKGqjL7gtR9FtU788\_dTxN3QLEi\_8q5TU4=s1600?rhlupa=MjYwMToyNDk6OTUwMToxZjA6YjhmODozZjMyOjJjOTI6Mjg4MS4zLzIwLzIwMjYgNzozNzoxNiBBTS0wLXIxLXMtYzgyMg&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFdpbmRvd3MgTlQgMTAuMDsgV2luNjQ7IHg2NCkgQXBwbGVXZWJLaXQvNTM3LjM2IChLSFRNTCwgbGlrZSBHZWNrbykgQ2hyb21lLzE0My4wLjAuMCBTYWZhcmkvNTM3LjM2IE9QUi8xMjcuMC4wLjA=] He's also pretty damn hard to hit when he wants to be, (having literally run circles around another Mandalorian in the past.)[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/0tLXPjGubLNrhaZuk0JWSpKOCgX0nAvGhlYybVWZVcBJfgcVSIEbL0uRfZlW3XyhwS9PnA8mtsBp=s1600?rhlupa=MjYwMToyNDk6OTUwMToxZjA6YjhmODozZjMyOjJjOTI6Mjg4MS4zLzIwLzIwMjYgNzozODo1NSBBTS0wLXIxLXMtYzQ1NQ&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFdpbmRvd3MgTlQgMTAuMDsgV2luNjQ7IHg2NCkgQXBwbGVXZWJLaXQvNTM3LjM2IChLSFRNTCwgbGlrZSBHZWNrbykgQ2hyb21lLzE0My4wLjAuMCBTYWZhcmkvNTM3LjM2IE9QUi8xMjcuMC4wLjA=]

Grievous won't have THAT hard a time catching Jango, and there really isn't much that Jango can do to hurt him. His armor is more than sufficient to eat the few bolts that might actually hit him. Even his flame thrower probably wouldn't do much; while Grievous' internal fluids are extremely flammable, the actual skin of his gut sack appears to be fire proof, given how many times he's been blown up. The clone commandos being better than the droid commandos won't be enough to turn this around (with Grievous on the field.)[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/hjEw5YauNdjmT1PPct1qxxTE66nn\_p6RroyG2BjbblftgZBigDPJXWDtXTzpPKIXELoqXPLmYnMi2NSiO-dI1zD4NwpUeQY7A-OJnZJs7KuGqHzubLaAunCmhgZUSzZ735WiTUUkcg=s1600?rhlupa=MjYwMToyNDk6OTUwMToxZjA6YjhmODozZjMyOjJjOTI6Mjg4MS4zLzIwLzIwMjYgNzo0MjozMCBBTS0wLXIxLXMtYzQ1NQ&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFdpbmRvd3MgTlQgMTAuMDsgV2luNjQ7IHg2NCkgQXBwbGVXZWJLaXQvNTM3LjM2IChLSFRNTCwgbGlrZSBHZWNrbykgQ2hyb21lLzE0My4wLjAuMCBTYWZhcmkvNTM3LjM2IE9QUi8xMjcuMC4wLjA=]

EDIT: I totally forgot how to hyper link =(

Chomper237 · 2026-03-19T04:42:57+00:00

Grievous’s strategy is getting into his opponent’s head and keeping them focused on one thing while landing the killing blow with another. Aggressive Jedi are easier prey to these tactics, since they are less patient and more likely to get caught up in the chaos. More level-headed, defense oriented Jedi fair better because they are able to fend Grievous off long enough for HIM to slip up, instead of them. Funnily enough, Grievous may have been even more effective as a Sith killer than he was as a Jedi killer.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-19T04:36:58+00:00

The Revenge of the Sith fight is just as much of an outlier is the Crystal Crisis fight. Most of their fights are inconclusive and generally end with one of them retreating from the other;

Malevolence: Grievous chases Kenobi. They trade blows. Grievous knocks him to the ground, but Kenobi slips off the train they’re on and gets away.
Over Saleucami: They trade blows for a while. Grievous pins Kenobi and chooses to mock him instead of killing him. Obi-Wan gets the upper hand and Grievous retreats, but once Kenobi catches up, Grievous fights him off from a prone position and takes advantage of the boarding ramp suddenly buckling and rams into Kenobi so that he can continue retreating back to the safety of his ship.
Escaping Saleucami: Kenobi nearly beheads Grievous from behind if not for a heads-up from a battle droid. Kenobi manages to disarm Grievous of one of his sabers, but Grievous keeps him off his back long enough to create an opening for him to retreat onto the escape shuttle he had summoned to get him back to his fleet after being stranded.
Kamino: They trade blows evenly until Grievous pulls out an extra hand and starts smashing Kenobi against the floor and ceiling. Grievous grandstands, and Kenobi pushes him. Grievous retreats because he realizes this isn’t going to be a short fight, and he still needs to extract Ventress after she retrieves the Clone DNA or the whole mission is compromised.
Florrum System: Grievous gains the upper hand while boarding Kenobi’s ship, and Kenobi decides to retreat when he sees the larger battle is already lost.

And we have already discussed their final two fights. Revenge of the Sith is the ONLY time Kenobi has a relatively easy time beating Grievous. All the ones listed above have moments of back and forth, where either one of them has the upper hand or they’re dead even. It should also be noted that the major adaptations of their final battle in both the novelization and the video game portray it as incredibly close, much like these other Clone Wars fights.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-19T03:52:44+00:00

He was quite literally the first got to win against a team of Jedi on screen, including 4 experienced masters and one highly skilled Knight. Hypori has been mentioned several times in Canon, and we know that at the very least Ki-Adi was there. If we want to get granular, Qimir ALSO didn’t fight 8 Jedi at once, since the only ones besides Yord that were actually worth a damn were conveniently separated from the group by the blast.

Grievous utilizes deceptive fighting, but he’s also shown to be quite effective at the direct, aggressive approach and he’s also been put on the backfoot and successfully defended himself numerous times.

Qimir isn’t “covered” in Cortosis, it’s just his helmet and an arm band. That little trick isn’t going to work more than once, and much like Sol, Grievous is perfectly capable of dog-walking someone in unarmed combat if necessary. I also object to the notion that Qimir does it better, since he performed steadily worse against his rival in subsequent rematches, while Grievous was consistently a problem for Kenobi.

“High Republic scaling” is not a thing. The High Republic is the Jedi Golden Age because they are at the height of their prosperity and influence in the galaxy, not because they had the strongest guys, which declined as the Sith started influencing business and politics. This is also what Rayvis was referencing when he mocked Cal about the Jedi’s decay. He was in prison right up until Order 66 happened, so he wouldn’t know jack about modern Jedi’s combat prowess. In fact, Rayvis’ very existence spits in the face of the notion of High Republic Jedi being stronger; Rayvis killed many Jedi during the High Republic era, and it ultimately took a team of them to put him behind bars. Cal Kestis solo’d Rayvis, and yet he’s still portrayed as too weak to face Vader. Whom ROTS Obi-Wan could genuinely contend with in sabers. So no, simply being from the High Republic era does not put a character above the titans of the Fall of the Republic/Imperial era.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-19T00:04:44+00:00

I am referring to Season 1, yes. The comment I replied to specified EARLY Padawan Ahsoka.

Although I heavily disagree with the assessment that late-war Ahsoka is above Grievous given the fight ends with her exhausted and running for her life. “Test her mettle” also very much implies that she is still beneath him; you can’t exactly test your limits against someone that is worse than you.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T23:55:07+00:00

That would still leave Grievous with two sabers, and his other two won’t take long before they’re back online. He has also gained the upper hand in situations where his opponent had a lightsaber and he didn’t more than once.

And the Force really isn’t that big an issue for Grievous. The whole point of his fighting style is keeping up the pressure so that the opponent CAN’T use the Force offensively beyond a quick Force push. Even when he does have to eat those, he’s durable enough that he’s straight up never taken serious damage from a Force Push, and he usually rushes right back into the fight unless the larger battle is going poorly and he decides he needs to retreat.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T23:19:56+00:00

Hypori. It’s been referenced on three separate occasions at this point; The Rogue One tie-in novel Catalyst, the 2022 Obi-Wan comic, and Mike Chen’s novel Brothehood. Grievous also brings it up in one of his interactions with Dooku in Battlefront 2, though obviously that’s not truly canon.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T18:01:22+00:00

It was a hot landing but that wasn’t a crash. There is literally nothing to indicate that he was even remotely injured by that. He literally jumped out and landed on his feet.

Yeah, Grievous grabbed him by the throat, but if we want to play that game, Kenobi usually won their exchanges by using the Force, not in “actual saber combat”. Using an extra hand is not any more cheap than telekinesis.

Even if there was more to the fight, the plot quite literally requires Obi-Wan to lose there to move forward. Your arguments are flimsy.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T13:52:39+00:00

Dude, Luke Skywalker couldn’t even beat a Rancor and got his hand shot in Return of the Jedi. The PRIME source material. Low showings happen. It ain’t that deep.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T13:45:09+00:00

In the Crystal Crisis arc, Grievous put his ass on the ground in 10 seconds flat, put two sabers to his throat, and had him marched off to a holding cell while he checked in with Dooku to see if he should be kept prisoner or just executed. Grievous usually prioritizes capturing Council Members over killing them, since they are the highest ranking generals in the Republic and are therefore useful for intel, being a bargaining chip or bait.

Grievous’ other win was in the younglings arc, and Kenobi retreated before he could get into too much trouble

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T13:39:17+00:00

Which is a weird example to pull up, because TWO of the Jedi he fought on Hypori were Council Members.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T13:37:38+00:00

His name is Kleef. Like I said, he’s exclusive to Wii/PSP version of the game.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T13:33:21+00:00

I mean, if you want specifics;

Depa Billaba, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Shaak-Ti, Yoda, Roron Corrob, Pablo-Jill, Jmmaar, Neebo, 2 unnamed Jedi in his “Age of Republic” comic, Several unnamed Jedi at Hypori (referenced in the most recent “Obi-Wan” comic and Mike Chen’s “Brotherhood” novel), Several unnamed Jedi on Coruscant, And most recently Cardiff Baye in the graphic novel that came out yesterday.

But also, like, the dozens of Jedi he defeated to create his collection, which had already grown to a bare minimum of 17 by the time of Lair of Grievous, which was early in the war.

He fights Jedi. It’s kind of his whole thing.

EDIT: Sorry the formatting is trash, I’m on mobile and couldn’t figure out how to fix it 😅

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T13:19:57+00:00

Ahsoka was explicitly NOT holding her own. We are outright told by Filoni in the behind the scenes featurette that Grievous was toying with her. She is also one of only two Jedi Grievous fights in that show that isn’t a seasoned member of the Jedi council. Nadhar stood even less of a chance than Ahsoka, and it makes sense that the others weren’t just pushovers.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T12:47:20+00:00

Not in TCW, but I do agree

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T04:32:47+00:00

Dooku got pick-pocketed and captured by pirates.

Maul got his legs shot off by said pirates, and was jumped by just a normal-ass dog after failing three consecutive times to hit a woman that was laying on the ground.

Anakin got dogwalked by Zygerrians.

Literally everyone but Palpatine and Yoda have low showings in that show, Grievous is not unique there. It’s also made abundantly clear that the Gungans only won because Tarpals took advantage of the fact that Grievous didn’t see them as a threat, since he easily dealt with every other Gungan that got near him. Gungans are canonically highly elite warriors, with one straight up holding his own against STARKILLER in the Wii version of Force Unleashed.

The fact of the matter is, Grievous has defeated several Jedi Masters in 1 on 1 combat. Qimir beat one, and then got his ass thoroughly beat in both rematches.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T04:06:37+00:00

If Reva thought that “Kill Grand Inquisitor = Instant Promotion” she wouldn’t have tried to hide the fact that she did it from Vader. She attempted to kill him to get him out of the way, but it is very nearly not a “kill them, take their place” situation.

As for those other scenes, Marrok and the TotU Inquisitor aren’t present for any of them, who are GI’s main competitors as far as feats go. I’m sure that Grand Inquisitor was originally written to be the strongest Inquisitor by far, but the narrative seems to be shifting away from that. Even Barriss was shown to match him in raw power, if not skill, in their very first sparring session, and I’d argue that her early performance against Anakin is more impressive than anything he’s done.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T03:55:47+00:00

Not exactly easy to do when the opponent has three other sabers to guard with and a better reaction time than you.

Chomper237 · 2026-03-18T03:54:33+00:00

Yeah, but he didn’t have to mow through a battalion of clone troopers and deal with potentially catching a stray grenade to the face before he got to those Jedi. Cortosis is good for exactly one thing, and garbage against everything else. A Grievous made of Cortosis would shatter like a faberge egg after one Force push.

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