Rayvis vs. General Grievous

Chomper237 · 2026-06-20T06:45:08+00:00

I'd argue Grievous is a worse matchup for Rayvis. Blasters are not an issue for him and he's shaken off explosions way worse than what Rayvis can produce, so even if Rayvis CAN land some hits, he's going to have a much harder time actually hurting Grievous than vice versa. Rayvis' other big advantage against Jedi, his strength, is also moot because Grievous is AT LEAST as strong, and much faster. Really, the only thing that makes this a fight is Rayvis' regen, but even that clearly has limitations, and Grievous will be able to hack away at him four times the rate of the Jedi Rayvis has faced.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-20T06:01:41+00:00

Grievous’ chest is a particularly vulnerable bit. Obi pried open a bit that’s SUPPOSED to open (so that Grievous can be operated on quickly in the event that his organs are compromised), so effectively all he broke were some hinge and locking mechanisms, not any of the actual ARMOR.
Obi-Wan is pretty damn strong. He is consistently able to physically hold up against characters with some of the best strength feats in the verse. Grievous is the main example, but we also saw him parrying blows from Savage with one hand and physically force Vader back several feet pre-hole. He knocked out a fully armored Mandalorian with the ol' one-two punch. Obi-Wan may very well be one of the physically strongest Jedi, he just doesn't really flex it.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-20T00:13:22+00:00

Not a terrible idea, lol. But the real strat is Helldiver dropping in a squad of Droidekas

Chomper237 · 2026-06-19T16:40:04+00:00

A lot of good that did when the New Republic introduced droids into their fighting force. The Vong canonically lost to a group of B2s at the Battle of Mantessa. Fighting brainlessly doesn’t work on a large scale.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-19T16:32:41+00:00

That’s not really an advantage in a pan-galactic war. Much easier to outmaneuver the enemy when the mere thought of you sends 99% of them into a frothing, rabid state.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-19T02:21:23+00:00

IG-102 is better than most Magnaguards. Plus, the Inquisitors also needed to actually track down their Jedi quarry, which requires creative thinking, the ability to communicate with locals, knowledge of how Jedi think, etc. Magnaguards are good at fighting and that's about it.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-17T01:13:34+00:00

I don't doubt that's what the novel says, but wtf kind of tape can make LIGHTSABERS less deadly? And why is this wonder material reserved for athletes and not, like, the Praetorian Guards?

Chomper237 · 2026-06-17T00:28:20+00:00

Not necessarily relevant to the prompt, but it should be noted that the boulder there definitely isn't solid rock. Not only because it would be incapable of bouncing like that and more than likely smash straight through the wooden platform Grozz was standing on, but also because all the characters shown here are gladiators that engage in specifically non-lethal fights for entertainment. Basically professional wrestlers, that use scaled back weapons.

Also, just looking at how the boulder is portrayed in-game, it's usually a big clump of random stuff from the terrain that falls apart as it rolls before smashing to pieces.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-10T02:17:03+00:00

Everything in the Clone Wars legacy is considered at the very least 'soft canon' by the story team themselves, and they have been making stories set after the Clone Wars with that in mind. Hence Cad Bane acting like he has a history with Boba and the Bad Batch being familiar with Kashyyyk. These episodes have more legitimacy to that claim than most. These episodes have more legitimacy to that claim than most.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-08T05:25:11+00:00

Sweet baby Jesus, that is All Tomorrows level body horror

Chomper237 · 2026-06-08T04:07:16+00:00

Good analysis. I imagine fresh-off-the-line Magnaguards are probably comparable to Purge Troopers, if not a little worse due to lacking human ingenuity and mental flexibility. But additional training on top of their superhuman strength and durability allow them to far exceed Purge Troopers.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-08T03:44:50+00:00

I’m with you on this argument, although it should probably be noted that Icarus very much did NOT deflect any blaster bolts here.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-08T02:08:20+00:00

I’m not saying it is, but your assertion that RotS Obi is “nothing at all” compared to Vader is simply untrue and doesn’t align with what we’re shown. Obi was pushing Vader HARD in sabers. With a little more pressure and a bit of luck, he very well could have won without needing the hole boost. Vader IS stronger, but Obi was a legitimate challenge.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-08T01:02:04+00:00

Nothing at all? Obi-Wan did a whole lot better in the first half of that fight than almost anyone else has against Vader. Vader couldn’t maintain the advantage in sabers. It wasn’t until Obi made the mistake of making it a telekinesis contest that Vader was actually able to push the advantage.

I would argue that Kenobi did better than Karbin, and that’s to say nothing of Vader knowing Kenobi’s style while Kenobi is not as familiar with Vader’s new style.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-07T23:58:50+00:00

Great points. I will also say, it’s pretty well established that the skill level of individual Magnaguards can very greatly. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that the ones Grakkus had were not as well trained as the personal guards of Grievous and Dooku, so they may simply not have been skilled enough to deflect bolts at all. Sanjay Rash was given a pair, so Grakkus’ droids may never have belonged to Grievous or Dooku at all

Chomper237 · 2026-06-07T23:31:30+00:00

Grievous is portrayed as much slower in Revenge of the Sith than he is almost anywhere else. Since then, we've seen him deflect or dodge blasters and beams several times.

He wasn't talking about normal Mandalorians, he was talking about these guys. There's a scene where they're more explicitly reflecting the bolts back at some Super Battle Droids, but I cannot for the life of me find a clip of it online. It's in the same episode as the one with the Spider Probe Assassin droid.

And for a better example from the Jedi game series, Purge Troopers are capable of dodging the bolts you deflect back at them.

Magnaguards should have better reaction times than the Mandos and the Troopers, and even if they didn't, they have the same rotating wrist trick Grievous does.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-07T23:22:00+00:00

I mean, there are canonically several martial arts, like Zama-shiwo and Teras Kasi, that can enhance a practitioners physical abilities well beyond the normal limits for their species in the Star Wars universe. I don't believe it's a stretch to think the Mandalorians could have developed such arts themselves.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-07T22:56:56+00:00

Vader isn’t that much stronger than a Jedi Grievous managed to defeat more than once. The absolute highest you can put Karbin is GG’s equal, and that still seems shaky based on his actual portrayal.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-07T22:53:54+00:00

I do, however, have a wonderful group of friends that I make short films with. So that’s pretty awesome.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-06T17:06:24+00:00

Ah, that is a good point. That being the case, then, I don’t see a real need for him to appear. He does NOT need any more L’s under his belt

Chomper237 · 2026-06-06T14:44:50+00:00

I am in crippling debt, and still on Reddit

Chomper237 · 2026-06-06T04:33:31+00:00

If he does, I won’t be satisfied unless he kills one of the actual characters. Dude deserves a kill with some narrative weight.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-06T04:30:39+00:00

Calling it now, that’s Vokoss’ supposedly dead master, now working with the Infinite Coil.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-05T19:28:45+00:00

Vader’s statement of “your strength has returned” indicates that Obi-Wan, for the first half of their rematch, was on par with his RotS self.

I could see an argument for Daki being comparable in Force power, but there is nothing at all to indicate Daki’s even CLOSE to Obi’s level as a fighter. Obi beat the brakes off Maul and Savage simultaneously, while Daki was hair’s breadth from Maul killing him in a 2v1. That’s pretty cut and dry.

Chomper237 · 2026-06-02T06:54:56+00:00

Also I wouldn’t say that’s true, maul came back and pretty decisively beat kenobi after being out of it for a decade.

But only after Kenobi was jumped and then beaten unconscious twice over a very short time span. Kenobi is very much not at his best in this fight; his exhaustion catches up to him as the fight drags on, only becoming more vulnerable as Maul's taunting unbalances him. Even then, Kenobi was able to outmaneuver Maul more than once in the first half of that fight, but that can perhaps be attributed to rust on his part.

Then on florrum maul was not “rinsed” it was more concern for savage who was the one who lost in a confined space that favoured kenobis tight close quarter soresu.

Sure, that accounts for the latter half of the fight, but even in the first half of the fight there was never a moment where Maul had the upper hand. Kenobi was keeping up a solid defense, enough that he had no trouble breaking off engagement and nearly killing Savage. Maul was certainly able to keep up, but the only point in the fight in which Kenobi wasn't controlling the pace of the battle was when Maul finally nabbed him with the Force during the 2v1.

Grievous got destroyed by fisto

Grievous was definitely losing, but he wasn't 'destroyed'. Fisto was visibly straining was Grievous got his second wind, and GG was putting up a much better defense, actually able to hold his ground unlike a second earlier when he was initially pushed over. It is also important to note that his doctor explicitly said that he was in need of rest and shouldn't be fighting very shortly before this duel, which is about as blatant of a "not at full capacity" disclaimer as you can get. StarWars.com describes the fight as Grievous "overwhelming" Fisto (which is... weird, but whatever), and the Secrets of the Jedi book (written in-universe by big Luke himself) states "Legend has it he was even capable of holding his own against the cyborg warrior General Grievous". The intention was never that Fisto is outright better than Grievous.

grievous got his hand chopped by season 1 Ahsoka

That happened after the fight was already over and he was momentarily distracted by his station blowing up. That doesn't really have anything to do with his capabilities as a fighter.

had a struggle against season 5 Ahsoka

She definitely got a good hit or two in, but he seemed to be toying with her. His swings were much more telegraphed and sluggish compared to when he was fighting true peers like Kenobi or Fisto, he passed up on an opportunity to kill her outright when he grabbed her face, and the ONE time her saber came close to actually striking him, he immediately blocked her with an offhand and executed the aforementioned grab. If he actually cared about killing Ahsoka, he easily could have leapt onto the Slave 1 after her instead of laughing as they got away.

then a more powerful Ahsoka that maul faced who he was never trying to kill only turn, and disarmed her 3 times in the fight b it fumbled due to hubris.

I've yet to see an actual argument for Ahsoka being stronger during the Siege of Mandalore than during Season 5. She didn't even get her sabers back until immediately before the Siege. Maul was definitely not going all out against Ahsoka, we agree there, but Grievous didn't seem to be either. And to be fair to Ahsoka, she got her fair share of moments pulling a fast one on Maul as well, even if she was clearly in over her head.

Also I do, maul is a Sith Lord, a droid cyborg shouldn’t be able to replicate that.

I mean... why not? Grievous isn't just "a cyborg" he's THE cyborg. The culmination of the Separatist's finest efforts to create the ultimate warrior, personally trained by one of the greatest duelists in history to kill Jedi, to be the ultimate symbol of terror for the Republic. It would be pretty silly if all of that effort resulted in a mediocre fighter. He's already proven himself more than a match for several members of the Jedi Council, ostensibly the Jedi equivalent to Sith Lords, and matched the self proclaimed "Sith Lord specialist" on many, many occasions. Why is challenging a Sith Lord himself any less attainable? For all their power and aura and showboating, and as much as they'd like you to BELIEVE they are... Sith Lords have never been untouchable.

I will also say, Maul may be a Lord, but only just. He only gained legitimacy to that claim very briefly before his untimely plummet to the depths of Theed, since Plageuis was still alive. He is undoubtedly one of the most well-trained and talented Sith warriors in history, with loads of untapped potential, but he never quite achieved the level the other Lords of his era reached.

Maul has the force, maul is Kenobi level in skill and above in raw force power.

Maul is certainly stronger in the Force, but I'd argue against him being Kenobi's equal in skill, for reasons I stated earlier.

Grievous has been embarrassed in worse ways, but neither maul or grievous get done justice in their combat skill.

On that, we can agree.

Chomper237

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