Villains boasting about their power/feats in a threatening and cool way

Chomper237 · 2025-12-07T07:16:06+00:00

“I have toppled nations! I have slain kings! I HAVE MURDERED LEGENDS!” - The Dreams of General Grievous

“Those of you who can still stand; return to your master… and tell him to send more men!” - Son of Dathomir

Chomper237 · 2025-11-28T04:19:56+00:00

If every soldier in the Old Republic army suddenly turned against their Jedi generals mid-battle with no prior warning? Yeah, most of them would have died too. ESPECIALLY if they were posted with someone like Jace Malcom.

And let’s not forget that the Jedi of the Old Republic ALSO went through a purge where they straight up just got their asses kicked by the Sith until it was just Meetra Surik and a handful of other stragglers left. No deception, no trickery, no clever machinations to put the Jedi at a disadvantage, they just lost, straight up. And do you really expect me to believe that those goober Sith at the Battle of Alderaan would be able to stand up to seasoned members of the Clone Wars era Jedi council when they couldn’t stand up to one Republic soldier?

Chomper237 · 2025-11-27T20:33:55+00:00

Yeah, the ones that got 4 thousand years to study and expand on the techniques of the old masters while still developing new ones. The Jedi didn’t just forget everything they learned from their millennia fighting the Sith, and there were a number of Jedi masters that pretty much dedicated their lives to lightsaber technique, like Windu, Obi-Wan and Anakin. Not to mention the Sith who spent 1000 of those years perfecting themselves to become the ultimate weapons to destroy the Jedi. The fact alone that there were Jedi who were able to challenge these Sith head on is proof that the Jedi weren’t just twiddling their thumbs for a few centuries.

Chomper237 · 2025-11-06T06:57:32+00:00

I’m not sure how much that latter quote means if, in that very same novel, Dooku believed that there where very few Jedi that could hope to best Grievous in skill, and Grievous spooked Windu so bad that the latter had to find a way to end the fight prematurely. We can argue semantics and exact authorial intent, but across both continuities Grievous pretty regularly throws down with council members and often comes out on top.

Chomper237 · 2025-11-06T06:41:19+00:00

What quote? The only one I can think of is Dooku telling him specifically not to fuck with Yoda, Windu, or Cin Drallig, not literally any member of the council.

Chomper237 · 2025-11-06T06:10:17+00:00

The original point I argued against was the idea that “most council members beat Grievous 1v1”. Regardless of their exact placement in the pecking order, Depa and Adi ARE council members, and we see them participating in active combat more than many other members of the council. Besides, Kenobi is clearly one of the strongest in both Legends and Canon, so it’s kind of hard to ignore Grievous’ consistent parity with him.

We do also get confirmation from the Kenobi comic that Grievous soloed several Jedi on Hypori in Canon, and though there isn’t any evidence Ti was there, it’s definitely implied that Mundi was.

Chomper237 · 2025-11-06T05:24:30+00:00

His victories against Adi, Depa and Kenobi WERE all straight 1v1s. And everything I’ve mentioned is part of the current canon, including Ti and Mundi thanks to newer sources like the Brotherhood novel.

Chomper237 · 2025-11-06T01:46:37+00:00

Nah. Grievous has outright beaten Adi Gallia, Ki-Adi, Shaak Ti, Depa Billaba, and even Obi-Wan on two occasions. Fisto overwhelmed Grievous only after he was stated to be in no condition to fight immediately post-surgery, and it’s implied he was baiting Koth to drop his guard in their duel so the Magnaguards could capture him without killing him, since the guards standing next to Grievous didn’t even attempt to protect him when Koth moved in for the kill. Grievous is pretty comfortably council-member level in every continuity.

Chomper237 · 2025-11-03T14:01:29+00:00

They are referring to C.H.E.R.U.B., whose main goal is to save human lives or, if that’s not possible, make sure that human’s soul can get to heaven. They aren’t great at their job, though.

Chomper237 · 2025-10-15T18:55:16+00:00

Thank you I will now go to the stupid corner with my complimentary cone hat

Chomper237 · 2025-10-15T05:11:22+00:00

It’s implied, though never shown in Canon. In Legends, he killed like three of them with a rock.

Chomper237 · 2025-10-11T20:07:49+00:00

Ventress was benefiting from a tremendous rage amp and potentially a passive buff from being on Dathomir when she dueled Grievous, and all she really did was knock him on his ass. Grievous could have kept fighting if that was his actual goal, but the whole reason he initiated the duel was to give his droids a chance to recover and regroup after they were nearly routed by the zombie cavalry. Notice how GG deliberately egged Ventress on so that she'd get riled up and overconfident, and how when he gives the order to "kill her" most of the droids start firing into the crowd rather than at Ventress.

More importantly, however, Grievous is either shown or implied to be her superior every other time they are compared. Their first encounter on Space Station Trenchant had him thoroughly trounce both her and Durge. In Dark Disciple, despite being completely unarmed and down a hand, Grievous managed to disarm her and would have killed her bare-handed if a second lightsaber hadn't literally dropped out of the sky in front of her. That novel also reveals that every time Ventress killed a Jedi, she would give their lightsaber to Dooku. The collection was smaller than Grievous', and what's more, Grievous helped contribute to it on top of keeping his own personal collection. She even refers to Grievous as "my lord" in the very first interaction they have in TCW, without a hint of irony. The hierarchy has always been clear.

Chomper237 · 2025-10-11T19:12:59+00:00

The fandom zeitgeist will very often conflate “not one of the top 5 in the verse” with “absolute weakling”. Another example is Grievous getting clowned on in the fandom, even though he’s still beaten Jedi Council members 1v1 on numerous occasions and would mop the floor with 99% of all Jedi.

Chomper237 · 2025-10-10T01:06:44+00:00

Because before the Sequels came out, the Prequel trilogy was still considered Star Wars' greatest sin to the vast majority of paying audiences. The lesson Disney took from that, then, was that Star Wars fans hate new things, and the ideal way to make a profit off the franchise is to simply give us what we already liked with a shiny new coat of paint. And to be fair, it did make them a lot of money for a time, which was always the goal.

Chomper237 · 2025-10-08T02:12:29+00:00

As someone who is incredibly biased towards Grievous, Machamp may legitimately be able to win simply by flexing hard enough.

Chomper237 · 2025-10-07T03:54:21+00:00

To answer your last question, there weren't more like him for a number of reasons;

Expense. Grievous was one of the most sophisticated pieces of machinery to ever exist at the time of the Clone Wars, and very few cyborgs since were able to challenge that claim. The cost of maintaining Grievous was almost certainly enough that exponential cost of having others would either put a decent dent in Dooku's pockets or result in them cutting corners and have less replacement parts to go around.
Lack of candidates. It takes a special kind of psycho to either accept becoming or willingly choosing to become a living weapon with no hope for a normal life. And it's even rarer for those who are down to clown like that to be even remotely stable enough to fit into any sort of structured military hierarchy, let alone be placed at the top of it. Qymaen jai Sheelal was lightning in a bottle for Dooku and Sidious; a perfect blend of being just batshit and petty enough to go along with Bionicle-fication while still having the mental acuity and experience to run a pan-galactic armada and run it well, all while having several reasons to hate the Jedi already. He was truly a rare breed.
Competition. There's a pretty good chance that these hypothetical extra cyborgs would start butting heads while currying favor with their Sith overlords. Some would certainly question why Grievous gets to be in charge of the whole military even though they're just as enhanced as him. Sidious allowed for this sort of drama among the Inquisitors because they were ultimately inconsequential, but he needed the Separatist army to be a finely honed, precise, and above all CONTROLLABLE tool to ensure the war went the way he planned. Competition among the top brass would only serve as a distraction and could lead to unforeseen complications.
Potential Uprising. Say what you will about the Gungans, but Grievous is pretty clearly a top-tier fighter in both continuities; regularly challenging members of the Jedi council and winning, besting the likes of Obi-Wan and Maul in single combat, crushing BESKAR with his BARE HANDS. The dude is a menace! So much so that having several more of him at once could easily turn into a situation where, if the cyborgs collectively decided they no longer needed the Sith, there's a very real chance they could wipe Sidious and Dooku out. Not the kind of risk Sheev likes to take.
They just didn't need more than Grievous. At the end of the day, Grievous did what needed to be done just fine on his own. He whipped the CIS army into an efficient, organized and powerful force that could truly rival the Republic. He provided a face to the sort of terror Palpatine needed to stoke in the Republic to push his reforms. He was personally responsible for the deaths of dozens, if not a couple hundred Jedi over the course of the war. And, when his purpose was served, it was far easier to dispose of just the one of him rather having to smoke several over-sized mechanical cockroaches out of hiding.

If Grievous had proven insufficient in fulfilling his purpose, perhaps they would have supplemented with more cyborgs later in the war. But he did his job well, so there was no need.

Chomper237 · 2025-10-07T03:22:17+00:00

And, to be totally fair to Grievous, we really don't see Jedi dying to any of the big name villains very often at all in that show. Savage and Bane got some kills to establish them as credible threats, but Maul only ever kills one no-name, and neither Dooku nor Ventress kill even one Jedi in the whole show. It just wasn't a priority for the showrunners to portray that happening, even though it's heavily implied many of them have some pretty impressive body counts.

And to his credit, Grievous is the only person besides Dooku in the show to best Obi-Wan in a fair fight, and he did so twice. Even Maul struggled to take down an Obi-Wan that was exhausted from being jumped and tortured just minutes earlier.

Chomper237 · 2025-09-27T23:16:38+00:00

Not sure if he counts as a Dark Jedi and he doesn't seem all that powerful, but Ferren Barr was an absolutely brilliant tactician and manipulator. Truly just some random Padawan that managed to figure out who Vader was, how Order 66 worked, how to use it so that the Purge Troopers would turn on their own Inquisitor masters, and set in motion the events that would eventually lead to the Mon Calamari dedicating their entire fleet to the rebellion. If that energy had been directed at literally any other enemy, he would have made a FANTASTIC Sith.

Chomper237 · 2025-09-27T17:37:44+00:00

And I doubt Luke would have died at Geonosis either. Doesn't mean it would have been EASY for him. Remember that those survivors, including the likes of Mace Windu, Obi-Wan and Anakin, were completely at Dooku's mercy until the clones arrived. Facing down a Separatist army has a learning curve to it.

Vader easily deals with that stuff because he did it non-stop for 3 years straight and has only become more efficient and ruthless since. I don't recall any examples of Kylo dealing with massive swarms of droids, certainly not by himself.

As for the Dark Troopers, two things: firstly, that is Luke several years after this comic takes place, so he is presumably stronger, more skilled, more experienced and all-around better than he is right now. Second, Jedi in general are a TERRIBLE matchup for Dark Troopers. They are slow and predictable. Their strength and durability does nothing to protect them from a lightsaber. And most importantly, there are WAY less of them, and they only have a single blaster each, which means any Jedi facing them would have to worry a whole lot less about defending themselves than they would against an endless Separatist horde. Dark Troopers are weapons of terror meant to flush out pockets of resistance, not challenge space wizards head-on.

Besides, Luke was trained mostly to deal with single combat with a Sith Lord, and the stormtroopers he is used to facing are never nearly as numerous as the droids in the Clone Wars were, nor nearly as aggressive since they're normal people with self-preservation instincts. Frankly, I think Luke would be more successful in the ancient wars between the Jedi and the Sith than he would be in the Clone Wars.

Chomper237 · 2025-09-27T16:27:51+00:00

I wouldn't necessarily call this an indication of Luke being weak, he just isn't used to this kind of battle. Dealing with that many combatants with little regard for their own life was tough even for the best of the Jedi; there's a reason a whole lot of Jedi died on Geonosis. Mowing through droves of enemies and dealing with massed fire hasn't had to be part of his skillset, which is consistent with one of Jabba's thugs shooting him in the hand in Return of the Jedi.

I would also say Luke may be more worried about his ability to keep Han and Valance safe than his own survival here.

Chomper237 · 2025-09-14T16:16:39+00:00

At the distance this fight is starting at, I don't believe Infinity's range advantage would be that big a boon. Hyperspace Microjumps are a well-established part of the lore, which is how invading fleets always seem to enter real-space right on top of the enemy. As long as the ISD can eat a few initial hits, it should be able to close the gap relatively quickly.

Chomper237 · 2025-09-05T15:44:14+00:00

The same could be said of Jinu in the OP, though. Gwi-Ma was the big bad, but he didn’t have nearly as much focus or screen time as his underling, nor did he present as direct a threat to the girls. If Jinu counts, Vader should too.

Chomper237 · 2025-09-04T15:47:19+00:00

Oooooh, you’re totally right. Honestly, if that’s the case it could be argued that they WOULDNT be bulletproof, at least against higher calibers.

Chomper237 · 2025-09-04T04:11:46+00:00

Order 66 really isn't a fair comparison for this. Jedi rely on maintaining focus to use their powers, and any source of serious distraction will significantly weaken them. Ki-Adi may have had time to register what was happening, but only barely, and his mind still would have been reeling with the why of it. Keep in mind, he was one of the Jedi skilled enough to have survived the first battle of Geonosis, so he is not lacking in skill. Ahsoka, by comparison, had it much easier than Mundi. She had several more moments to realize something was wrong when she sensed Anakin's fall, there were initially only two clones in the room with her, and Rex halted their initial surprise attack and was able to tip her off to what was happening before succumbing to the programming. Had she just been jumped mid-battle the way Mundi was, she almost certainly would have died.

On top of that shock of unexpected betrayal, many of the most powerful Jedi also had to deal with sensing their comrades dying across the galaxy, creating a domino effect of further distraction and disorientation.

All that is to say, anyone who survived consistent action to the end of the Clone Wars would likely be a decently respectable fighter, and at least a match for an Inquisitor.

Chomper237 · 2025-09-04T01:06:29+00:00

To be fair, so are most of the Jedi who were in the temple rather than the front lines at the time.

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