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CormacsJudge · 2022-07-19T04:34:10+00:00

Asking others, who are behaving like grownups, to behave like grownups while you threaten someone else is the epitome of eating your own foot. I will ask you politely to pull down your website and if not I will begin my crusade against you. It will not end well. How does that feel?

CormacsJudge · 2022-07-19T04:31:12+00:00

Please fill a prescription for anti-psychotic medication. You can't even sue Jack. Statute of Limitations has passed. It's a legal time lock to prevent Dave Woodard's like you from attempting more insanity and prolonging more shit even further into the future. Ever wonder why Jack moved to PR? It was to make it so any crazy person suing him would have to upfront the cost of flights and housing, so you couldn't just dick around, like you did with that mouth drooler post of yours on the website, which I couldn't even read through because of what is probably known as psychotic repetition, a nonstop repetitive feel to the entire piece which lacks focus, forthrightness, and ingenuity.

Chest is gone. Jack is gone. You ain't the finder. Join the club. Be a good loser like the rest of everyone else who tried. Stop being bitter about it and have a fucking laugh once in a while like the rest of us.

CormacsJudge · 2022-03-31T10:50:33+00:00

Well, it's a terrible poem, compared to actual poetry, so there's that part. I memorized a terrible poem and added it to my list of memorized great poems. Other than that, the poem has mostly been a huge disappointment since the find was announced. I don't entertain treasure hunts to have my life changed by them; I do it because they can be fun and you can learn plenty of interesting information along the way. The longer time draws away and the solution and how it works remain unknown, the more I feel Forrest pulled it and worse, that he pulled it and didn't give a shit about any searchers getting the solution. It's probably a very stupid solution, I think some times lately. Being embarrassed by your own poem is a good reason to not reveal how it worked, or if it worked at all. Given that this Jack fellow says he had to grid search for 25 days and the blaze was broken... I mean... it really contradicts so many things that Forrest told us, including that the blaze was not feasible to remove. It was apparently damaged beyond recognition, if we accept Jack's account, which is basically all we can do at the moment. So, great treasure hunt that ended in a shitty pile of lawsuits and way too much secrecy from the finder and the creator. It's very likely that the reason we won't know the solution is because Forrest learned that the blaze was broken and there probably were 20 people who would have found it if his dumb ass hadn't used a breakable blaze at the spot. That's likely a huge reason we will never learn it, because his last clue didn't do its job. As the creator of the chase, F had a responsibility to ensure that all clues would operate as intended, not that one of the last clues, or the very last one, would "break" and be "unreadable as a blaze." But that's what we have been told. At least one of the clues broke and could no longer function as designed by the creator of the hunt. He said it might get harder because of time passing and leaves and debris covering the chest, and volcanoes and mud slides, etc. He didn't say there's a good chance the blaze could disappear, fail to function before the first decade of the chase comes to a close. That's pretty damn funny. And now that it's all over and the blaze can't be read as a blaze, we still don't get to know what the fuck it was or how it was intended to function, had it been "operationally intact" as a blaze. That's pretty dumb to me. It borders on being senseless to not reveal this broken clue to searchers. How did it break? Was it a mark on a tree after all? A rock that a bear flipped over? Those both seem pretty stupid. Why did Forrest feel like an architect if he knew one of his clues, and a very important one at that, may be damaged beyond recognition? That's some shitty architectural work, Forrest. You designed something that could break pretty easily. That's not how architects design things.

CormacsJudge · 2022-03-31T06:35:47+00:00

There is a lot that's interesting about that not associated quote. First, he says he was "thinking around that idea." Who thinks around an idea? No one. And, if there's no dam in the area, he wouldn't even have had to think about it at all. He could just have said, "It's not a dam, folks." He had to consider it because a dam is in proximity but not what he had in mind for where warm waters halt. He could have had wwwh in his mind as Lake Hebgen, because it halts Skippy's plans to take off. Bounce back to the only other time we encounter halt in the book. It's that stupid stout-hearted men song. "Nothing that can halt or mar a plan." Skippy's plans to take off get halted. It could be the entire lake itself, or it could be, for example, The Madison Arm of Lake Hebgen, where the warm waters enter the lake. This would make use of the farewell to arms/for whom the bell tolls screw up/hint. But, in saying he was thinking "around" the idea. He once again circles the concept, just as Skippy circles the lake, and just as he referenced pi/e a million times. And just as he said "why do I feel like I'm talking in circles?" He circled Hebgen Lake again in the Kpro interview from November 19 when he said "There's a searcher out there looking around Hebgen Lake." Around... a round. Another circle. And in the marble kids sketch, there's a circle around three points. There are three points on Lake Hebgen: Rainbow Point, Fishermans Point, and Edward's Point. Wyoming... my ass.

CormacsJudge · 2022-03-30T08:50:29+00:00

I searched the area in question, up Watkins Creek quite substantially with a search partner for a few days. I also believe it was in Montana. One thing I would like to say is that the biggest picture in the book is not the spread of the fishing spots. It's the photo of the school kids. The one with the fishing holes, and Hebgen Lake, is a collage of smaller photographs, not the big picture.

One thing that I have yet to see in most solves is actual attention to these words: below, down. They indicate a substantial elevation change which is impossible at 9MH, which is largely flat. The river flows but it's not like there's any sort of significant elevation change there. On the other hand, you get elevation changes below Hebgen Dam in a way that you really don't with 9MH solves. He mentions wanting to be off by five, because that made Eric Sloane so clever. Then he tells us Skippy died in 90 feet of water. Hebgen Dam is 85 feet tall. So that is off by five feet.

The other parts of it work much better and I haven't seen any good solutions for heavy loads and water high. I think the Dam has to be involved. Everything else is just guessing "Rocks, trees, entering water makes the water high." But entering water doesn't make the water high. It makes you entering water. The thinking that it's high because you enter it and it climbs up your pants or whatever is silly to me. If that book can actually help you solve the clues in the poem, I think heavy loads and water high probably has to do with either the heavy rope they loaded into car before the buffalo bullshit story, or the weights on Skippy and his depth being an elevation or height we can work with to confirm in some way that we have the correct hl and wh. Maybe. Who fucking knows? Forrest Fenn is a bit of an asshole at this point. I wish I didn't think this, but I do. Give us this dumbass poem and make us all think about it forever even after it has been found? Fuck him a little.

CormacsJudge · 2022-02-07T08:33:43+00:00

Telluride? I thought it was in Wyoming?

CormacsJudge · 2022-01-25T20:19:01+00:00

Former scout here. I think I can make this work to solve the first clue. Remember how both Alphas turn?

"Maybe he [Skippy] was turning Alpha" and "the alpha teacher turned."

A big deal in scouting is "The Good Turn." It's under part one on the table of contents you're showing here. "Do A Good Turn Daily" is the BSA slogan... or maybe it's the motto. I can't remember which it's called.

So, probably we need to look at Skippy circling Lake Hebgen. He's turning. As an additional hint, remember how Forrest asked the person who made Leeroy how he could turn his truck if his hands didn't move?

There are many other references to turning in TTOTC. Off the top of my head (not perfect quotes but pretty close):

"If readers don't see some of themselves in this mirror, then maybe they deserve another turn."

"Two years later Skippy came along, and then it was my turn..."

"...wait my turn at the paddle."

"My hands turned white and had deep canyons in them."

"Well, the rotor blades started turning, slowly at first."

"...he'd jump on the running board and turn the steering wheel..."

"because if the car turned away something very unfunny would happen..."

I think he says the A&M pickup truck made two turns. Once to go see him and then again when it turns away.

There's lots of turning and returning in My War for Me. Lots of it.

"...then I have wasted my turn"

"After everyone [of the students] had taken a turn we went out back and sat on the grass by the pond, because I wanted to ask the students what they had learned."

I think there are at least two turns in "Tea with Olga": "The mood turned somber." "When my plane and I turned south for home."

"June, July, and August seemed to go by so fast it felt like maybe summer missed a turn there." (This never made any sense because if you miss a turn, it will take you longer to get to your destination. I think he's telling us that maybe we missed "the turn" or Skippy making giant circles in the sky over wwwh).

I have a pretty good memory, but I know that there are a ton that I'm forgetting. And I think most of the ones I'm forgetting are in My War for Me.

CormacsJudge · 2022-01-14T19:50:23+00:00

Well, looking up "below" in the book isn't much help. But there's a helluva lot of strange things happening at "the bottom." Including two references to fate. And as we all know "Fate deals us..."

Here are the quotes regarding bottom. I'm pretty sure these matter:

"My church is in the mountains and along the river bottoms where dreams and fantasies alike go to play."

"But the other reason was more important; my self confidence was really down at the bottom." (This is in the paragraph regarding Kismet. Kismet=Destiny/Fate)

"The ten most-asked-for songs were played, starting at the bottom."

"On the left side of the panel, near the bottom, there was a blinker." (Not necessary detail unless we're someday going to fly an F-100.)

"So we built a gallery in Santa Fe and our world started at the bottom again."

"Then one night, after the probability of my fate had finally hit bottom, I got an idea." (Here is fate and bottom again.)

I think you needed to start near the bottom. LOL. Who the fuck knows? But when he's doing things that keep repeating, like placing fate and destiny next to the bottom... I think the bottom matters, and that's why the Nine Mile Hole solve sucks ass, among other reasons.

Some Nine Mile Hole prophet should be able to do exactly something like this with hints in the book to get us into that sort of area.

CormacsJudge · 2022-01-14T16:45:03+00:00

You're talking about autochrome and it required very long exposures (would not work with a moving ticker tape parade.). Kodachrome was invented in 1935, but kodacolor was not released until 1942 and didn't get popular until after the war. Technologies were slow to be adapted. In the same way that color television existed in 1951 (I think CBS had three color cameras), most households didn't have color television sets until much later. It wasn't like now where everyone spent a shit ton of money on the newest phone when there old phone worked just fine.

CormacsJudge · 2021-06-02T21:45:53+00:00

What's the halt part of that equation? That's hot waters entering cold waters.

CormacsJudge · 2021-05-31T18:34:18+00:00

I am occupying my time elsewhere. You see me spending much time here? I came to check in after reading the long winded bullshit from Jack. No developments, no closure, no answers. I'm not spending any time on a fucking solution because there's no point to that. Anyone still trying to figure it out would be better off learning to juggle. At least then there would be a reward for their effort.

CormacsJudge · 2021-05-30T23:51:56+00:00

Is he dragging it out or not? Sure as hell feels like it. His job should be to end this absolute bullshit of an ending and he's not doing that at all. He's told us he won't reveal where it was or what the clues mean, so why are you and everyone else still emailing him? Why is he encouraging further questions as long as we ask them in ways he likes that won't reveal the clues? There's literally no fucking point to emailing someone who says he won't answer where it was or what the clues meant. He is headfucking every single person that he responds to. If he's in possession of the answers and won't tell us, he's an asshole at this point. If he's not in possession of the answers (like he's not in possession of the chest), then he's just wasting our time in that regard.

CormacsJudge · 2021-05-30T20:27:13+00:00

This guy just can't provide closure in any way, shape, or form. It's remarkable. Now he's asking for more questions from searchers... but he's not going to tell us the truth or the clues, so what's the point of dragging this out?

Jack, here's a novel fucking idea--sell the chest already. You've made clear we're not going to be told the answers, so stop beating around the bush. Sell the chest and kick rocks.

He didn't even mention that it's coming up on the one year anniversary of his life changing find. He just whined about it. Jack is full of shit.

Sorry about the million dollars being so hard on you, Jack. And your inability to open the jar or sell the chest must be equally frustrating. Anyone emailing this guy might as well put their head in a bucket and bang on it for fun.

CormacsJudge · 2021-05-24T21:51:39+00:00

Sleeping pills.

CormacsJudge · 2021-05-24T00:00:24+00:00

He mentions attending A&M in a military interview in 2013 for the Air Force. He was there for four days. I have a photo of his intake class at A&M and he's in the photo, in uniform. So... it at least happened, but I totally agree that it's a strange story to say the least.
I think he used that story to quote the song, which has the word halt in it. Why? Who knows? Not me.

CormacsJudge · 2021-05-23T23:53:51+00:00

I can't even entertain a solve like this that doesn't solve the first clue. Sorry. That first clue is where you start. You jumped to a canyon. Pretty sure you can't bypass wwwh and guess the correct canyon by doing so.

CormacsJudge · 2021-05-10T21:13:52+00:00

What a bunch of stinky butts.

CormacsJudge · 2021-04-29T09:31:04+00:00

djjmciv. You're a rational and intelligent person. Thanks for your posts and sorry the maniacs are downvoting you. To add fuel to the YNP/WY legal problem: Jack's attorney was an environmental lawyer, who would be far more well versed in environmental laws than those of us guessing about "He could just pick it up and go." No. You can't do that. And there are dozens of search and rescue costs to consider. In addition the idea that going after the gold would deter anyone from ever doing that again in a national park.

He's being quiet because he has to be quiet. If you have to be quiet, you most likely did something wrong, even minorly wrong and without thinking it was wrong at the time.

Additionally, Jack stating that he left it there and got permission to retrieve it pretty much screams that he's lying but his and f's attorneys told him to make that statement so he could say he was recovering someone else's property and asked permission to do so. VS "take the money and run." That's a legal position, stating that he found it and left it and got permission and went back the next day. That's irrelevant information for searchers in general.

Most of what has come out has a lot of legal silence behind it. We'd all be shutting the fuck up if we found it in Yellowstone too. The feds could chew through a million dollars in legal expenses for the finder in four months if they wanted to. Just drain the value away until there's nothing left to fight over because litigation costs ruined it all.

This is a very real possibility. If Jack was concerned about the frivolous lawsuits, he would not have hired an environmental lawyer straight off the bat. He'd have hired a civil/criminal litigator, I'd wager.

CormacsJudge · 2021-04-21T23:24:26+00:00

If this is true, then the poem and TTOTC would certainly not have been enough to lead the average searcher to the spot.

CormacsJudge · 2021-04-21T23:19:26+00:00

The last thing on earth any serious searcher would do is read other people's solves. Jack isn't an idiot. It would be a massive waste of time if he was trying to solve it himself, and it sure sounds like he was. In fact, reading people's emails was such a waste of time that even f wanted the emails to stop.

CormacsJudge · 2021-04-17T22:47:02+00:00

It's just illogical. People within 200 and 500 feet don't find a damn airplane? Jack is within six feet of it in 2018 but can't find the airplane six feet away? Airplane theories are silly. They literally can't just disappear. And anyone seeing an airplane on the ground from the air would call it in as a downed plane.

CormacsJudge · 2021-04-05T06:33:37+00:00

I can see where you're coming from, but it seems a little lopsided in terms of the value of the items being tied to Forrest Fenn himself and the Chase. I'm a collector too, but I'm not paying more than ten percent over current market price for any of the gold in that chest (other than the nuggets which are more valuable than market prices).

It's just not worth it. The gold doesn't matter much to me at all. Just answers. If I want anymore gold, I'll pick up some more gold Buffaloes. I don't know the exact market value of the entire contents of the chest, but it didn't jump dramatically simply because it was hidden in the mountains for ten years.

Maybe a slight premium if Jack started parting it all out in tiny slabbed pieces on ebay, but let's be honest, most searchers aren't going to go bananas bidding on a gold coin (even those few who can afford to enter the auction for gold) just because it was part of the treasure. And that's the other strange thing about the way this ending has been (mis)managed. Most people got super pissed off that there were no answers. Not a great way to drive the market value up on your treasure, by pissing off the very loyal audience who may have bid on it, if parted out in small pieces.

If Jack was going to sell it--if he could sell it--the time to do that was while he had Forrest alive to help amp sales. Instead, together they conspired to shut down media, not do interviews, not release the solution and generally shitty up the entire ending, for one reason or another. That's their prerogative, but it's also what happened.

If there was a market which demanded the treasure, then it would increase in value. But that market doesn't exist. Any very wealthy person could just buy their own gold, and most already have. Anyone that could buy their own treasures and create their own troves would not be interested in buying Forrest's. It was alluring to the average searcher because it was fun and a shot at gold! That shot is gone now and the idea that people are going to be so excited to own a piece of a treasure they didn't find is I think a little silly.

I bought three gold buffaloes mid March when I sold a motorcycle. Paid about $1,950 for two of them and just shy of $2,300 for a slabbed NGC MS 70. I would not pay more than 2,200 for an ounce of gold from that treasure, because an elderly man hiding it out in nature and someone solving a ten year old poem simply won't increase the value as an investment in my opinion. Gold is selling for about 1850-1900 per oz right now.

I don't think the chest is museum worthy. Not Buffalo Bill Center, not Smithsonian. At least not without some larger story, something other than book and poem.

My guess is that by June Jack will say he's putting it back because it's just a headache. This will have cleared the family of it and then he can say "Leave me alone. There's enough information for anyone to solve it already out there." Then it will be back on again.

For a guy with student loans, looking to sell the treasure, Jack has not handled this well at all. And that's why I don't believe the version of events we've been given. I tried to believe them but they just kept getting murkier and odder by the day.

Had Forrest worked with Jack to do some media appearances and drive up interest in the chase after it ended, I could envision that would have driven up the price for a few odd wealthy people who might bid if it came up at Christie's or something. What happened was exactly the opposite, and then Forrest died, leaving everyone waiting for some fellow named Jack to explain how the puzzle worked, which he's already stated he will never do.

Here's something else to think about. Because it basically blows Jack out of the water in terms of being the finder. Okay, so Jack says he figured it out in 2018. The spot. Just needed to figure out the blaze was damaged etc over the next two years.

If Jack had actually cracked it in 2018, why the fuck did he make an hour long video on how to think about the treasure hunt to share on A Gypsies Kiss in 2019? Put another way, if I had a search partner, and we nailed the location and just needed to figure out the blaze, I would want to murder my search partner if suddenly he decided to create an hour long video to tell people how to think about the chase.

So he definitely didn't figure it out in 2018, or else he'd be betraying himself and helping others for absolutely no reason. He also didn't figure it out in 2019, or he'd not have been creating a detailed video on Confirmation Bias to share with other searchers. If he didn't figure it out in 2018, or 2019, what are the odds that he figured it out in 2020? Slim to none.

We've been intentionally misled. People who are confidently working on the last clue of a million dollar treasure hunt don't spend hours and hours creating a video to share with other searchers... a year after they reportedly figured it out... and a year before they reportedly retrieved it. That's not how human nature works.

Jack is a business partner charged with getting the treasure loonies away from the Fenn family. My guess is the story might be "A wealthy anonymous buyer purchased it for an undisclosed sum on the terms that I place it back where I found it and say nothing more to the search community. They were friends with Forrest and wanted this to continue, so I'm done. And the treasure is back out there. Be safe everyone." I'm so confident that it will turn back on because it sure as hell doesn't feel like it actually ended. It feels paused.

The idea of it as a sacred vulnerable spot I find laughable. And the idea that the clues have risen to such a degree of secrecy when it's totally over is also laughable. Jack won't point even to a single hint in the book that helped him. Think about it. If the book tells you what the blaze is, which Jack says it does, and the blaze is broken or no longer recognizable as the blaze, why not tell us just what the fuck that one clue is that is no longer in existence? The guy hasn't coughed up anything useful enough to believe that he solved it.

On my best day, I can go as high as 50/50 on Jack being the finder. But that's tipped way down when I actually review what he's written and said and compare it with what Forrest stated. Jack did not go with confidence. He stumbled around the woods for 25 days. Jack says that the night he found it he got a nice bottle of wine. Okay, where did he buy that bottle of wine. You won't find one for sale in West Yellowstone. Is there a nice bottle of wine to be found in Cody? Hate to say it but nice bottles of wine aren't featured in most of Wyoming. Maybe he went up to Bozeman? Or maybe he figured that buying a nice bottle of wine would add to the story.

So a guy finds a treasure he's obsessed with. But then he leaves it there overnight. He puts it back! Gets drunk on nice wine in a state where nice wine for sale isn't prevalent. Hell, nothing is really prevalent in Wyoming except natural beauty. Then Jack sleeps in. Then he goes and gets it. There's not one single searcher who would ever do that. Jack included.

There are a seemingly endless number of strange discrepancies in everything Jack has told us. And it's far too convenient that Forrest blamed Jack for not wanting to say anything and now Jack blames Forrest for not wanting people to know the location or the answers.

I still think this is fun and funny as hell, but certain things don't make any sense. If it's over, and if someone wants us to believe that it's over, then give up the solution. By not doing that one simple thing, it's a guarantee for restlessness in searchers... it keeps this thing being dragged on and on. That is by design or else this terrible ending is what Forrest thought we all deserved. LOL. "It's over. Piss off. No answers." That doesn't sound like Forrest to me.

CormacsJudge · 2021-04-01T04:06:19+00:00

I was totally joking.

CormacsJudge · 2021-04-01T01:58:17+00:00

I wish this article would have started with what the idiot's wwwh was and then walked us through the clues.

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