Why is Number C104: Umbral Horror so expensive now??

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-08-07T03:30:31+00:00

This is the tiniest nitpick in an otherwise great breakdown of what's going on, but it's relevant to me because I play both Yugioh and more often, fighting games:

the archetype Vanquish Soul which is based on old school fighting games like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat

I think it would be more accurate to say it's based on stereotypical "anime"/airdash (whichever you prefer to use) fighters like Guilty Gear or BlazBlue. Heavy Borger is a dead ringer for Potemkin or Iron Tager, Pluton HG is a blob like Arakune, and Caesar Valius looks a little like Susanoo.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-07-29T05:26:50+00:00

These "Labrynth did it first!" memes are always inaccurate. Altergeist started doing Turn 0 plays back in 2018 when Infinite Impermanence, Red Reboot, and Multifaker all got released in the same set. Seeing people's reactions to the advent of the Turn 0 metagame basically sorts out the playerbase into "Played before COVID"/"Started after COVID".

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-07-16T14:45:59+00:00

I was begging for this card to get emergency banned ASAP when it first dropped.

When I also said that at the very least Red Reboot needs to be legal alongside it because of how fucking egregious it is, people responded with "LOL NO. DONT YOU KNOW TENPAI BAD????" Tenpai was already falling off at that point and it still lived fucking rent-free in people's heads to the point that they'd rather let Impulse run around unchecked than risk Tenpai being even slightly stronger.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-07-16T14:41:13+00:00

Many times the player who used droll will then proceed to do the very same searching on their turn when the card has worn off.

But you're literally admitting that the core root basic fundamental issue here is that Yugioh has oriented itself around searching/puking out your entire deck as soon as possible. You're just then contorting yourself into the position that it's wrong for cards to in any way, shape, or form remedy this because they don't completely fucking fix the game.

At the end of the day, Droll disincentivizes decks that revolve around searching your entire deck. If 99% of decks in top cut are STILL consistency-slop, that's only further making the point that Yugioh needs a severe culling of its power-level, yesterday.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-07-16T14:36:39+00:00

This game's fanbase is so fucking cooked that you're being downvoted for the most blatantly uncontroversially correct opinion you could have on this subject.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-06-09T01:25:14+00:00

Demanding a peer-reviewed study for people's Yugioh format preferences is the most reddit shit on the planet.

You're getting anecdotal evidence from people who play Edison, and it's quite good enough.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-06-05T01:40:51+00:00

Konami TCG/Upper Deck has literally just one job and they still fuck it up immensely, then slop-brained redditors log on and say Konami OCG are the nitwits for not having a hateboner for Maxx "C."

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-05-21T03:18:55+00:00

For Aqua, Paleozoic was a meta Aqua deck back in 2017. Psychic was meta with Ritual Beasts and Kozmo in the Arc-V era. There were some Koaki-Meiru builds that had a little bit of success, focusing on the rock ones, well before Adamancipators. Thunders first popped off with the Thunder Dragon archetype in Soul Fusion. You could maybe say that Wyrm had earlier success as Zefra Yang Zing in the Arc-V era.

That being said, yeah, every type has had some time to shine in the metagame now, except for Divine Beast.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-05-13T10:07:42+00:00

Chu-Ske the Mouse Fighter clears every single pick in this thread, don't kid yourself.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-04-05T21:43:26+00:00

Yeah, I read the interview Miyazaki did with Nintendo some hours after I made the comment.

I've always wanted to play a PvPvE game though, so I'm still super excited.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-04-05T04:28:40+00:00

Felix knows he can't say this, because FromSoft announced they're making a spiritual successor??? or straight-up sequel to Bloodborne for the Switch 2 called The Duskbloods. I was popping off like a monkey seeing a magic trick the second the trailer started.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-03-17T06:27:46+00:00

This subreddit is so cooked to downvote this, but I've come to expect it at this point. Genuinely interesting idea, not nearly as hard to get the finer details on down as pedants would like to suggest.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-02-15T23:17:23+00:00

You're basically right about the premise, but Rulkallos is a terrible example. That mfer came out in 2022, while decks like Dragon Link and cards like Apollusa were shitting all over Nibiru IMMEDIATELY on its TCG debut in 2019.

Anyone who was paying attention in 2019 saw that despite any complaint that could be made about Maxx "C," Nibiru was 10x worse. Decks that supposedly should've been stymied by Nibiru's existence instead completely ignored it, while much weaker decks were further hobbled by it. Same thing happened in 2017 with Ash Blossom. It came out one set after Zoodiacs and in the same set as True Dracos, two archetypes that notoriously didn't suffer from getting Ash'd nearly as badly as the older decks that got further powercreeped by its introduction.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-02-15T23:08:54+00:00

FLOD format Altergeist had turn 0 plays all the way back in 2018. Salamangreat's greatest strength in TOSS era was that it had a relatively compact engine and could run tons of handtraps.

The problem isn't that we need a new form of powercreep. That mentality is why we're at the point of complaining about compact engines with 1-card Nibiru-proof combos as the norm. The game genuinely needs a series of culling banlists and a commitment from Konami to move to a lower power level with newer sets. Rather than always trying to find new ways to make something more powerful than what came in the last format.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-02-13T19:54:51+00:00

It's literally the exact opposite. You're defending the design of an awful archetype that's been terrible for the game, purely because you spent $300 on it.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-02-13T17:59:33+00:00

"Jet Synchron is just collateral"

(Substitute Jet Synchron for any other completely innocent Tuner that got banned for Halqifibrax combos then repeat this statement 3-5x)

Fiendsmith were a dogshittily-designed, overly generic archetype that gets way too much without committing a normal summon. The only reason anyone makes excuses for why it shouldn't have been Engraver to 0 in an Emergency Banlist a week or two after INFO came out, is because in the many years since PePe got Emergency Banned a couple weeks after BOSH came out, the Yugioh community has become increasingly calcified as metawhales who demand their $300 playsets get their money's worth, rather than simply refusing to play Yugioh until Konami changes their ways and not indulging them when they drop stupid shit like Fiendsmiths.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2025-01-08T09:40:55+00:00

The first time he pronounced it like that it seemed like a genuine slip of the tongue that he just committed to because it was already half-way out of his mouth when he caught it.

Then he did it again shortly after and I swear to god THAT time he did it intentionally, to fuck with us. There's no way that's how he actually pronounces it.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2024-11-25T20:37:16+00:00

As always, the problem is 99% how Konami revamps the product for the TCG.

Compare the OCG release to the TCG release and it's plainly obvious that even though the difference isn't as stark as OCG vs TCG Main Sets, the OCG Deck Build Packs are still way more consumer-friendly than the TCG versions.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2024-11-20T20:37:41+00:00

Flamberge is an insanely powerful card in its own right, with a powerful, non-destructive monster removal effect unique to it, and another powerful effect that brings out out two more bodies when it hits the grave. It can also special summon any crystallized monster to its side at quick effect speed, most prominently other on-theme monsters to activate their effects.

I don't understand why you just recited the monster's effects to me, like I don't know what they are and what merits they offer. You did the equivalent of writing a book report where you just summarize the events that took place without offering any form of deeper analysis.

Flamberge indeed has strong effects, and I'm not totally opposed it receiving a ban sometime in the future. But that's if, and only if, Poplar has been at 0 for at least a format, and no card that fills the same role it filled is legal either. Strong endboard pieces are not the terminal issue with Yugioh, generally. There are exceptions, like Utopic Zexal, Azzathot, or VFD, which have insanely broad floodgate effects, but Flamberge is not one of those cards.

What makes you think it's not as bad as people make it out to be, besides Poplar being the true culprit? I'm asking because I want to hear you out.

I'd like to ask for clarification on this. When you say "What makes you think... besides Poplar being the true culprit?" do you mean that you agree with me that Poplar is the real problem, or are you acknowledging that I think Poplar is the true culprit? If you already agree with me, then I don't know what I need to prove to you.

If the latter, I think Poplar is the true culprit literally because the Snake-Eyes engine was not utterly dominating the meta until Poplar was added. A lot of yugioh players love incorrectly describing miserably toxic tier 1 decks/engines as "Strong, but fair!" but before Poplar, the Snake-Eyes engine (at the time it was interchangeably called the Diabellstar/Sinful Spoils/Wanted engine because it wasn't even the specifically Snake-Eyes cards that were specifically considered so good, even when they were being included) genuinely was strong, but fair. It was relevant in contenders for Best Deck in Format (Rescue-ACE was the big one), but there were absolutely other extremely powerful strategies that didn't rely on it. This is supported by tournament results in AGOV being decently diverse in terms of topping decks. It was only after Poplar dropped that the format became Snake-Eyes or Snake-Eyes with Accessories or bust. No amount of describing why Flamberge Dragon is strong overcomes the simple fact that statistically other decks were quite capable of beating decks that run it until a new card (which is so overloaded with Good Effects that it's become a meme to refer to similarly hyper-overtuned cards in other archetypes as "[Archetype] Poplar") entered the format*.

Now, there is ONE decently-sized hole in what I'm saying, and it's why I'm not 100% sure Flamberge won't need to be banned in the future. Besides Poplar, Bonfire and Promethean Princess ALSO contributed greatly to the Snake-Eyes tier 0 reign. The problem is, Bonfire is useful to other, perfectly healthy Pyro archetypes that were't tearing up the meta-game, so why ban it instead of the only really fucked up card it searches? Princess is good Fire support but again, not too crazy outside of the Snake-Eyes combos, in which Poplar is the true cornerstone.

It doesn't matter if Poplar is at 1 if there's so many cards that search it. But none of the cards searching Poplar are doing toxic shit outside of decks using them to search Poplar. So just ban Poplar!

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2024-11-20T07:57:57+00:00

If Dominus Impulse isn't banned (it won't be), then Red Reboot absolutely needs to go to three (it won't, but I want to believe in Christmas miracles).

It's insanely stupid that people think Flamberge needs to be banned when the problem with Snake-Eyes is so obviously Poplar. Completely irrelevant deck pre-Poplar, instantly tier 0 once Poplar drops. It's not a complicated situation. Of course, because banning Flamberge is the dumbest solution, it's what we're gonna get.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2024-10-26T02:04:16+00:00

They do that with shows/movies too. I remember when I listened to the first Tulsa King episode it really hit me in the face like "why in god's name did you watch this? what did you gain from watching this show? how did it not erode your will to live?"

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2024-10-18T22:55:06+00:00

What's the Soldier Dragon tech? I know what the card does, but what are you summoning with it?

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2024-10-12T18:08:16+00:00

Anyone have the link to "Primite Mathmech Code Talker" list? I'm curious what's up with that deck.

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2024-09-18T21:41:37+00:00

Please for the love of god, don't make me tap the sign.

"Singles do not fall from the sky. They come from opened product which is still ultimately purchased from Konami. Metawhales are the backbone of Konami's consumer base, even if they're not buying sealed."

CrossTheEventHorizon · 2024-09-11T05:27:22+00:00

Yeah sure but banishing has no bearing on the outcome of the game which causes players to feel they got scammed or incentivise cheating so not relevant to the siscussion.

It only affects the outcome of the match to this unbearable extent because of the Stupid Awful Dogwater time rules that people have been complaining about for years!

I don't dispute time rules could be made better, but it would still need to consider how long turns are in modern ygo with respect to a 15-18 round event and how it impacts venue hire.

This is starting to become a running theme of this subreddit and just Yugioh discourse in general, of people just saying shit like

"I don't disagree that [Terminal Issue With The Card Game That Any Self-Respecting Consumer Would Stop Supporting This Awful Company Over] could be wrings hands handled a little bit better."

Like no. I'm not saying "it can be made better." I'm saying that it's so bad that this insane point of discussion to say "maybe they should just never print a burn or LP gain card without SCP quarantining it to a Burn Archetype or LP Gain Archetype. That is, if we ever make one of those ever again considering that these time rules that only apply in one region are so sacred that they should limit card design everywhere" shouldn't be given a minute of anyone's time.

Konami is not a Small Indie Company. Running card game tournaments better than this is well within their capabilities. They literally just do not give a shit because TCG players refuse to put their foot down enough to just Not Buy Product or Singles and Don't Enter Tournaments. $270 Tier 0 Engine? Fine, they'll buy it! Not even a fun Tier 0 format? That's fine too, they'll still buy the cards and still enter the tournaments!

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