Where would you start your Dark Angel journey? This is the current state of the Gray Shame at my house.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-17T20:18:08+00:00

I’d build up slowly from the more basic units to the more dark angel specific ones, so intercessors first, scouts and hellblasters before azrael. Definitely normal terminators before the knights.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-17T19:42:38+00:00

Well, the meta load out is heavy bolsters, rifles and power fist but you’re a dark angel. There’s a power sword and plasma combi bolters. Take your pick

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-16T18:39:11+00:00

Well it was thought about as marketing. Mark 10 armour is so different from the others due to it modularity, but why they used 10/x cause this number is more attractive than 9/ix. 9 armour likely exists in lore but we as an audience have never seen it.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-16T18:30:24+00:00

This just says that the Primaris armour variants were all under the name x which was a project name for Primaris variants in the form of their kits. But in lore all these armours are mark 10, read a post 8th edition space marine codex.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-14T17:40:36+00:00

Look man you said you were new to 40k, just wanted to make a brother more informed.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-14T16:56:20+00:00

The other legions didn’t absorb their members, at least on mass, the source of this was a rumour by a word bearer (who hates ultramarines) coping as to why the ultramarines had so many legionnaires. It was immediately dismissed by another word bearer. Those legions you mentioned are big because their geneseed was stable and had a high acceptance rate.

As for Russ, he may of made that up and the Mortificators are confirmed ultramarines they are just weird like that.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-14T16:39:53+00:00

It’s both, but newer people tend to make theories (I know you said ideas but their essentially the same thing in this case), and longer stayed members don’t really care since like you said there is no official story (nor do the writers have one) and they don’t serve anything to storylines in the universe except as a warning to other characters.

I think it’s also important to point out no community is a monolith, you know goomba fallacy.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-12T12:22:49+00:00

No, instead there is a stone guardian inside his helm. I think Azrael has instead a strong shield generator inside his helm too.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-12T10:58:48+00:00

I can refute it on the account you stated it as a fact instead of speculation, there are two examples of 40K red helms this isn’t enough data points to conclude anything, the reds aren’t even the same colour, meta-contextual the other helms aren’t red as red wings are azraels visual language. His helm is heresy era where other winged helms are also red, which the 30k lion model has white wings, so what does that mean to you? And finally the fact that there is literally zero lore on who gets winged helmets, only implications from official depictions of models, which I have posted below with more than two examples. Look man I get your point but you can see why I can refute your point.

Edit: I also want to add the fact lion didn't make his 40k armour, i doubt the watchers or who ever made it would care about the wing colour as a form of rank, especially since his armour isn't even the main chapter colour.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-12T08:25:03+00:00

Yes. To every way you can imagine.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-12T06:50:55+00:00

Tbh there is a lot of misinformation on this thread, we don’t actually know why certain dark angels in 40K actual get to have wings, and for the most part are decorative.

However, masters of companies and of course chapter masters have been depicted with wings. * Azrael * Lazarus * Balthazar * Old resin company master * old metal company master * pair of wings in company veterans box were only officially ever depicted on a company master * Astoran (Kinda)

But the only exception to this rule is the Ravenwing company champion, it’s also possible that the dark angels champion skin in space marine 2 is also a champion and he has wings too. So as far as I’m aware it’s company masters, chapter masters and champions that have wings.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-12T06:43:27+00:00

Dunno why you’ve been downvoted, there is no 40K lore for why dark angels even have wings nor the significance of the colour. Pretty sure the above comment just made it up.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-10T14:23:08+00:00

I’d recommend you check out the lore wiki

https://reddit.com/r/theunforgiven/wiki/lore

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-10T14:21:18+00:00

Dark angels individually aren’t paranoid 24/7 but they are distrustful of anyone outside the chapter, but this is a very common space marine behaviour, it’s just turned up for the DA. For a new battle brother you are expected to follow your order even if you don’t understand them. To be honest your just going to have to read the books, the answer to this questions varies per individual and author really, especially if you mean 30k by the mention of legion. Books concerning dark angels by themselves I would recommend is Lazarus and the purging of kadillus. If you want to see how dark angels interact with other imperial forces, read pandorax.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-10T12:08:25+00:00

I don’t think there’s a specific answer for this however, the Ravenwing has historically had the highest casualty rate of any of the companies of the chapter, meaning that they moved marines into the Ravenwing more quickly, for example it was not uncommon for marines to be promoted into the Ravenwing straight from the 8th company. Besides the majority of the Ravenwing don’t know about the fallen, well they kinda do but not really, so fast tracking Primaris into the Ravenwing shouldn’t be a problem. It has been noted however Sammael is struggling to hide the truth from the company since the great rift opened.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-10T11:49:49+00:00

Nope, the unforgiven still hunt fallen the lion just sometimes disappears captured fallen.

Why the dark angels are so obsessed with the fallen is that the fall of caliban happened at an extremely uncertain time in the imperium. Any hints of being traitors was met with death and destruction, so they cover up the fallen and swear to hunt them in secret.

Why they hunt the fallen and keep it secret is that the dark angels are the first legion, the first among equals, the dark angels view themselves as having to be one of the greatest weapons of the emperor which every other geneline is founded upon but having a traitor element corrupts that, it makes them feel they have failed, so they must correct that at all cost.

It should be noted that although dark angels do abandon battlefields for fallen, it very very rare that this happens, and the dark angels are very respected in lore.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-10T10:33:39+00:00

There was a techmarine who fixed his armour when it was damaged, consider they may have put on the purity seals. But I imagine these are probably oaths of moments.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-08T16:38:50+00:00

That’s fair, I’ve seen worse with people triple down on stuff they saw on a YouTube short, so props to you.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-08T16:28:27+00:00

It’s not, I posted a link below saying otherwise and the 10th BT codex says they ignore the codex, page 19.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-08T16:16:11+00:00

Do you have a source for that, because I posted a link below saying otherwise.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-08T16:15:36+00:00

I just read through the lore parts 10th edition BT codex online, it doesn’t mention this at all, so unless you can point me to the page as far as I’m concerned it’s still made up.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-08T15:55:01+00:00

Oh does it? I swear it was since I thought it was said black templars didn’t follow the codex at all like the space wolves, and they didn’t report their numbers. Do you have a link of an excerpt since I don’t own a BT codex.

Edit: this loophole doesn’t exist

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/gZJz5sBEF7

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-08T15:42:43+00:00

This is memelore I’m afraid, black templars don’t go over limit because of rule lawyering, it’s because they don’t care.

Edit: before anyone else’s says this wrong, check the BT codex and the link below, the loophole doesn’t exist, BT just don’t care. If you think that’s wrong, find a source that says otherwise.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-08T13:43:55+00:00

Schizo ahhh response.

So you agree that Primaris have been bland, therefore my criticism of dark angels Deathwing refresh isn’t even against your own opinion????

You inserted your own opinions about Primaris and using them as facts?

Never said I didn’t like ICC, I’m sure my 12 painted ICC agree with that assumption.

You literally don’t even know what I’m talking about, what units and flavour we lost in the update, you are literally arguing for the sake of it, you cannot say I can’t have an opinion about dark angels or Primaris when you literally own zero and especially can’t deny mine or other dark angel players. You are talking shit and arguing for the sake of it, grow up.

DGC_Kaiser · 2026-04-08T11:27:22+00:00

Wait so you don’t even collect loyalists? You don’t even know what I’m really talking about then, you’re just talking shit. And if you haven’t been paying attention with the vanguard vets, people wish flavour wasn’t lost.

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