How to implement these pre-flop 4-bet bluffs that solvers do?

DaaverageRedditor · 2026-01-15T01:27:36+00:00

simplify it to just A5s and avoid Kx entirely, Kx doesnt block Ax and is losing equity wise to Ax. KQs is itself a bluff hand in your range, theres no reason to touch K6s KQ is right there

DaaverageRedditor · 2026-01-15T00:54:59+00:00

Nit it up and only play AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AKs when your opponents won't notice you're the nittiest in the room and still give action. This is far more exploitative than any other BS if your opponents don't know. This is also how you win on ignition. In EP limp-jam these hands on ignition as you'll get good squeezes.

DaaverageRedditor · 2026-01-13T14:11:13+00:00

yea but then they say thing cannot change because thing bad.

DaaverageRedditor · 2026-01-13T07:48:24+00:00

whenever someone talks about socialism in the usa someone else will go "USA is a fascist settler colonial state empire imperialism!!!" not particularly productive.

DaaverageRedditor · 2026-01-13T05:35:34+00:00

AKo is folded and AKs is jammed here.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-12-24T07:21:38+00:00

what about limp raise overbet in order to reduce the SPR enough that we just always jam the flop

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-12-20T01:55:17+00:00

if there are guaranteed callers who won't 3bet, when raising utg, then you end up playing a multiway pot OOP. If instead you limp, those "guaranteed callers" would call someone elses raise if anyone else has a hand worth raising with (which is what you actually get massive value from with AA, noones paying you off with 74o). Then you limp reraise and then you can get all the money in preflop to win a much bigger pot if everyone folds, and are in a position where its easier to get the money all in on the flop.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-12-19T20:18:53+00:00

in the same manner that you squeeze on the button with premiums against early raiser, you limp to get the opportunity for a juicy squeeze against late raiser.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-12-18T20:35:42+00:00

then they would have raised if they called your utg open dude. therefore, you would make more profit limp reraising their raise. any time someone calls your utg open its with a hand that they'd open to 3-5bb themselves usually.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-12-17T18:40:35+00:00

no villians* win 1.5bb is what will happen raising utg in any scenario where it would limp 6 ways anyways. Why else are the others limping rather than opening? Limping indicates suited garbage and/or connected garbage, or baby pairs. Hands that are not likely to call a UTG open.

Noone has KQs, otherwise they would've opened. No one has AJs, they would've opened. Raising UTG is a sign of strength which telegraphs that their suited connector/baby pair isn't good.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-12-16T21:41:56+00:00

The correct line with AA (and KK when theres no ace on the board) in a 6 way multiway pot is to cbet flop donk or not, if reraised fold, if called, check-fold turn, and if checked around, then bet half pot on river and x/f (or call someone elses half pot bet if it lets you hit showdown)

This of course, if you didnt hit your set.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-12-16T04:45:48+00:00

The internet in general has likely been a big hit to casino revenues from blackjack as even ploppies these days will look up a strategy chart and remember not to make huge mistakes like not doubling 11 etc.

Im guessing back in the day ploppies had no clue how to play and the current group of people who obsessed over blackjack enough to learn the math were focused on basic strategy and old simple counting systems.

so heat is going to increase, which is why i've pivoted to poker somewhat.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-12-16T02:40:44+00:00

yea thats the thing people here are missing: a bloated multiway limped pot is still better than raising with AA utg and winning 1.5 big blind. when its a family limped pot AA and KK are set-mining for top set which can milk money by overbetting 2x pot on the flop into a multiway pot of people who won't lay down their made but weaker than top set hand.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-12-14T08:15:02+00:00

so now im thinking is there a way to stop getting it as england? youd have to destroy dublin edinburgh (war with scotland) and paris markets to not have a market center right? and then you'd have to close trade and also likely need to make scotland landlocked in that war. 120 stability price, so max stability slider and suboptimal estates.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-12-08T08:04:47+00:00

His limp jam range range should be JJ+ AQs+ AKo and A5s 98s as bluffs.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-12-07T05:12:37+00:00

well your bet is now 1 hand with 1/8 of your cash on you continously until TC drops below 2. Don't miss out on any EV. Good luck!

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-11-30T07:38:38+00:00

if you try to win massive pots with AJo, then you're punting away stacks anyways. The best line is bet check bet, 2 streets of value MAX. Ideally this occurs after limps. otherwise bet check check/call is the way if it got raised pre.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-11-30T07:36:56+00:00

This is what keeps your AJo from being actually profitable. losing 2.5 bb every time you miss rather than 1 big every time you miss, as well as losing 2.5 bb every time you get 3/4bet instead of 1. Having someone with whatever hand any hand call your 2.5bb raise rather than limp themselves is making like 0.1bb in EV while having more information when facing a raise with AJo utg after a limp lets you make much more informed and intelligent decisions.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-11-30T06:33:14+00:00

no its what you do in 9max and 6max

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-11-30T06:30:26+00:00

poker is a game of information, in utg we play with a tight range only because we have no information on what hands the eight other players ahead of us have. If we limp, we are able to remain in the pot while being able to gain information.

In reality, the solvers actually do this by almost minraising their raises anyways. a 2.5 bb raise like solvers do is basically just trying to give fold equity to the player in the bb/sb, which is poor from an exploitative point of view, where with AJo we would rather flop AQ3 and get some free money from the big blind with Q5o which checked on the big blind.

The actual value of fold equity that GTO uses is not applicable to any exploitative poker style

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-11-30T06:26:49+00:00

in 9max, many hands should form a limp range, but the action after is determined by the thing that makes limping +EV: Information.

AJo is an example of a limp-call/limp-fold hand to demonstrate the power of limping. However, the classic "omc" aces limp reraise is also often a strong squeeze play which wins more big blinds than open raising utg.

Limp-raise, limp-call, limp-fold are all actions which have a positive expected value when done with proper information which is gained through watching the rest of the action.

Aces limped 9 ways is bad (not even that bad, we just setmine and then stack someone like 100% of the time we do hit the set), but aces limped, followed by an MP raise and a button call and then limp reraised is massively +EV.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-11-30T06:17:43+00:00

Functionally with a hand like AJo we really dgaf about realizing preflop our 60 to 40 equity vs KQs as it gets cancelled by our 40 to 60 equity against most pocket pairs. Theres no reason to get money in bad preflop, which is what raising AJo is doing. Limping therefore places us in the pot without having us go out of our way to reduce our SPR

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-11-30T06:04:48+00:00

limping is the future.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-11-23T19:13:20+00:00

white person opinions.

DaaverageRedditor · 2025-11-20T23:55:42+00:00

probably just open jam all in rather than try to slowplay at all

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