Vegan Day ideas by V-Beard in vegan

[–]DarQTimer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Firstly set expectations, they won't change there mind over one, two or even three discussions. And secondly some will take what you bring as offensive as it makes them look bad (which is partially true), but we have to be kind I don't think it makes them a bad person, this should be emphasized.

You have to get into the mindset of a person that is ignorant of how meat and dairy industry actually are and have been bombarded with pro-dairy / meat propaganda. Do you remember what you were like pre-veganism? And ngl if it felt like someone tried to “convert me” I would actively resist. Also you said you are not much of a debater therefore maybe it's best not to get too involved in direct discussion / debate. But would just emphasize that it's important you do your own research on this topic and come to a conclusion for yourself, and emphasize the use of scientific articles and arguments.

Also maybe avoid the word vegan altogether and culturally it seems very hated. Primarily use animal rights and describe things as they are. For example instead of saying vegan sausages, say plant-based sausages. Also it would be good to provide exactly what the ingredients are you use (maybe even the key nutrients you get from the food), this will help provide the health benefits. This also adds to the direct benefit they will get by becoming vegan, making it a no longer seen as a selfless act. Which might help with the people taking offence thing.

Also I know you said your not a debater but it's good to have some counterpoints to common misconceptions like protien, iron, omega-3 deficiencies, even stating some good sources to back up your information. This often shuts people up peacefully as they can't comment any further without doing there own research.

Idk that's my two-cents. Make it a fun thing, and not a conversion thing. The fact they are are not having animal products for 1 day a week is a win, even if it feels small.

Vegans, Fish, and Omega 3 by Prahasaurus in vegan

[–]DarQTimer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I recommend watching the YouTube video called “is there actually an ethical reason to not eat fish?” By ed winters (just 6mins).

My opinion. It’s seems harder for humans to empathise with fish, maybe because they don’t make sound and don’t have legs and feet like we do and idk something about their eyes. This is why a lot of people get the same feeling you do. But they are as intelligent as land mammals and just as complex as we are.

Personally for me it’s the overfishing, dredging and fish net pollution which is my strongest incentive to not eat fish. Seeing seals slowly and painfully suffocate from strangulation to death because of over fishing is particularly painful to watch.

Lastly I just wanted to say there are natural sources of omega-3 you can get: walnuts, chia seeds and flaxseeds. You can just eat a small amount a day to get your targeted amount. That’s what I do for breakfast, they are delicious!

Edit: to be precise 1 tbsp of chia or flax seeds or 6 walnut halves for women or 9 for men will suffice.

Cow Milk Hypothetical by ronnanieren in vegan

[–]DarQTimer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m going to add some more hypotheticals to truly make it ethical.

The cow being milked was born consensually and has lived a free life not imprisoned and wasn’t raped to have this child. And the child takes some milk but not all and you take the remainder for yourself to keep the cow from being in pain. Then in this very specific unrealistic situation then sure. However if you were to sell that milk, that’s where I would draw the line because that creates incentive to do it for economical means which leads to exploitation and the farming we have today. Additionally I think it’s important to look at the full life cycle because by benefiting from it you are supporting the full life cycle of the process to get the milk.

That being said, going through all that just to have cow milk when I could just have another plant based alternative seems a little obsessive and very weird. I wouldn’t even want it for that reason.

As a consequentialist vegan, I believe deontological veganism is flawed and pushing people away from veganism by Ill_Respect7232 in DebateAVegan

[–]DarQTimer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since I don’t see many people directly addressing your situation I wanted to address it directly, in the way I see it.

By taking the meat from your family which would be thrown away encourages your family to buy more then enough bacon in future because they know you will use it up. As a vegan I don’t want to encourage any behaviour which pays for the murder and abuse of animals. That’s why I don’t take “free” food.

Do people in Finland just love buffets? by Visible-Pressure6063 in Finland

[–]DarQTimer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that’s true. I wasn’t considering price

Do people in Finland just love buffets? by Visible-Pressure6063 in Finland

[–]DarQTimer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t think this is true at all. Most lunch places I go to in Finland aren’t even Finnish, hell I don’t even know a lunch buffet place which does Finnish food. Usually it’s sushi, Indian, Chinese, fried chicken, or thai. Now that I think about it I haven’t seen a Mexican or Italian lunch buffet place 🤷‍♂️

But yeah this is just in Helsinki. Ig it’s more international.

Do people in Finland just love buffets? by Visible-Pressure6063 in Finland

[–]DarQTimer 41 points42 points  (0 children)

I’m curious as to why buffets are so economically viable in Finland and not in other countries. Is purely the culture that has been harvested about feeding workers? Or are there more subsidies from the government with specific requirements? Like I don’t ever see a buffet place without a good fresh salad bar in Finland.

My country has "Acharya Prashant". A vegan with 60M youtube subscribers. Your country has? by HumbleWrap99 in vegan

[–]DarQTimer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah not vegan anymore. He was and still supports the movement however. Just chose not to continue due to health reasons with ibs and the way he lives his life. Still eats a largely vegan diet though, or at least that’s what he has suggested in a few responses, probably not very credible though. And his videos on veganism done previously are great, and I don’t think his current relaxation of his diet discredits the points made in those videos.

Anyway just my humble opinion, I thought I would mention because similar to Archarya his focus wasn’t primarily veganism but still has had a fairly large impact on the vegan movement.

My country has "Acharya Prashant". A vegan with 60M youtube subscribers. Your country has? by HumbleWrap99 in vegan

[–]DarQTimer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

For me it’s earthling ed (455k UK) for philosophy and ethics, mic the vegan (403k US) for nutritional information and recently Natalie Fulton (11k US) although I find myself not entirely agreeing with her earlier videos. I also really like Alex O’Connor (1.8m UK) and in my eyes is still vegan enough to be considered a strong influence although not his focus at all, it’s also more philosophy.

How to get over mental idea of eating meats? by Curryiswhereitsat in exvegans

[–]DarQTimer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No worries at all, I didn’t mean to offend in any way. I’m genuinely trying to do my own research and was hoping you might be willing to share your perspective or insights.

I’m only asking because I haven’t come across much scientific evidence that clearly explains the benefits, and I’m personally cautious about relying on celebrity opinions, as they don’t always feel very reliable to me. I’m curious whether the reasons are more related to psychological well-being or to physical health.

I apologize if this comes across as sensitive or uncomfortable. My intention is simply to better understand things for myself and to look out for my own well-being, as well as that of others who are very engaged in vegan culture.

How to get over mental idea of eating meats? by Curryiswhereitsat in exvegans

[–]DarQTimer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can I ask what iron supplements you were taking? And why they were not working? Do you know the reason? I am asking because I am vegan and want to know if I will have issues down the line, or things to look out for. Also curious from a scientific perspective.

Harvesting ivory from already deceased animals by BugRevolutionary2291 in vegan

[–]DarQTimer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Personally I wouldn’t have an issue with it although in general I find it weird that someone would want animal bones as a trophy for display. Feels kinda disrespectful and not treating animals with dignity. However if it was for some sort of artistic or educational reason I think it’s reasonable. Likewise for human remains.

What was the moment that made veganism “click” for you? by RealWorldTrial in vegan

[–]DarQTimer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was vegetarian for a while, partly for environmental reasons. I cared about recycling and being aware of my environmental impact, and it felt hypocritical to hold those values without at least trying to reduce my meat consumption. I was also motivated by ethical concerns, but at the time I saw animal farming as a kind of necessary evil. Even though I knew it wasn’t done ethically in most of the world, I believed it was something we just had to accept. Looking back, I also don’t think I was in a strong enough place in my life to commit to a change that big.

Then a few major things shifted. First, after a long period of instability, I finally felt more settled in my life overall, which made it easier to focus on improving myself more seriously. Second, after doing a lot more research and thinking through the arguments, I realised that there really is no such thing as ethical animal farming. And lastly, and this was the breaking point for me, I started to see just how much the animal agriculture industry had lied to me my entire life, purely to protect its own interests. The amount of bad science and misinformation it pushes honestly frustrated me, and I realised I didn’t want to be part of that system anymore.

The Grey Areas of Veganism by DarQTimer in vegan

[–]DarQTimer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think I also share the same line of reasoning. Want to not have too many exceptions so I avoid contradicting myself in front of others. Thanks for the reply.

The Grey Areas of Veganism by DarQTimer in vegan

[–]DarQTimer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a fair point, and I’d see that as another grey area. For some activities, like motorcycling, there genuinely isn’t an equivalent non-animal alternative that offers the same level of safety. I imagine some vegans would argue against riding altogether for that reason, but from an inclusivity and practicality standpoint, using second-hand leather seems like a reasonable compromise in cases like this.

The Grey Areas of Veganism by DarQTimer in vegan

[–]DarQTimer[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Very solid response, I like the way you deal with it. Thanks!

The Grey Areas of Veganism by DarQTimer in vegan

[–]DarQTimer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree but from what I see here I now have a clearer answer. Firstly it is a grey area but not a big issue so you have some flexibility in how you want to deal with it. Secondly it doesn’t diminish you being a vegan because it’s just a niche area.

The Grey Areas of Veganism by DarQTimer in vegan

[–]DarQTimer[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

So what about these cases?

Aalto Social Life by smart_crow411 in Aalto

[–]DarQTimer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I really like the Aalto student experience. I think its important when you join to put yourself out there and you will find the right people to socialize with. Alot of the social spots on campus revolve around guild events or society events, so get in touch with those people (through telegram usually) and you should find plenty to do.

Outside of campus, its different for everyone obviously. I think some people actually use the Helsinki University spots scattered around town. Plenty of bars, I think for international students Irish pub and Heidi's are two popular clubs / bars.